American Grand Schedule Up

Date: Sun Dec 3 3:47 PM, 2006

RE: American Grand Schedule Up

Date: Sun Dec 3 5:47 PM, 2006

One of the parents told me they were coming.

Date: Sun Dec 3 9:13 PM, 2006

Worlds Watcher wrote:

I asked this last year but got no response so I'll ask again...

CA Jags competes as a Jr Coed team with 1 guy. How does that guy feel when he isn't allowed to compete on his team for a Worlds bid? And why do they have Jags compete during the season as Jr Coed instead of Sm Sr? Is there no other team for this guy? Or is he on one of the Sr Coed teams too?

I just find it interesting how different gyms create teams differently for the season and then change it for a bid to Worlds. I'm not saying its wrong, I just would like to know the rational behind these kinds of decisions.

I believe they move him to large coed. I think that's what I read last year. Or small coed.

Date: Mon Dec 4 6:31 AM, 2006

It is pretty simple. They have the division (small junior coed) at most competitions that they go to, just not Worlds. So they change divisions for Worlds (and a qualifying competition.) If they had their normal division at Worlds, I would imagine that they would stay that for the entire season.

The one guy on the team does cross-compete on one of their senior coed teams. He has whip double, so I'm sure they would want to use him somewhere. Last year he competed at Worlds on a different CA team.

Date: Mon Dec 4 8:07 AM, 2006

CA Fan wrote:

It is pretty simple. They have the division (small junior coed) at most competitions that they go to, just not Worlds. So they change divisions for Worlds (and a qualifying competition.) If they had their normal division at Worlds, I would imagine that they would stay that for the entire season.

The one guy on the team does cross-compete on one of their senior coed teams. He has whip double, so I'm sure they would want to use him somewhere. Last year he competed at Worlds on a different CA team.

Yes, I know it is simple. I just don't understand WHY they do it. If they are going to put them in a Sr division for a Worlds bid, why don't they have them compete all season long as a Sr team? Is it the publicity of saying, "Hey, we have a junior team that can beat Sr teams AND won Worlds last year." I think thats why they do it. Especially if the boy is already on another team. They don't have to "find" a place for him.

Date: Mon Dec 4 10:05 AM, 2006

Even if they did compete all season as a small senior, they would still be able to claim that it was "a junior team that was beating senior teams" since they are all junior-age-eligible.

Possible reasons:

1. They want their junior-high aged kids competing most of the time against other junior-high aged kids. (Worlds + 1 being the only exceptions.)

2. Since junior teams typically compete earlier in the day than the senior teams AND CA already has 3 other Level 5 senior teams, they want to spread them out as much as possible for coaching purposes. (They would be less back-to-back.)

3. They are honoring the tradition of Jags being a junior team for the past 12 seasons.

4. They are doing what they feel is best for their athletes and their program and couldn't give a rat's xxx what anyone else thinks.

To get the real reason, you would have to ask them. It sounds to me like many people are just bitter that they won and are looking for something to criticize. No one has said anything about Georgia doing the exact same thing with their junior coed team - the big difference is that they didn't win. I personally see absolutely nothing wrong with them going for a chance to win a Disney trip for their athletes.

Date: Mon Dec 4 10:17 AM, 2006

Just to clarify my position, I was not trying to criticize, and really don't see any thing wrong with what they are doing. I really just like knowing how coaches or owners make decisions about their teams and programs. It helps me to grow in my knowledge of this sport. I appreciate your insight and can see how these 4 possible reasons could go into their decision.

By the way, I didn't know GAs team was a Jr Coed team. Was that the team in the Small Coed division last year at Worlds? I had only heard about CA Jags. I was thinking this year since they added the Int'l Jr divisions that some of these teams would compete in their age divsion for a Worlds bid. But I guess not. Maybe that has to do with the money, since the Int'l divisions are At-Large.

Date: Mon Dec 4 1:44 PM, 2006

Right or wrong, the general perception in most parts of the country is that American teams that compete in the international divisions are doing it to avoid the "real" competition in the domestic divisions. Last year, the "regular" divisions were dramatically stronger than the international divisions, but that could always change.

There is also the fact that you are not allowed to win a "paid" bid in an international division if you are an American team.

Date: Mon Dec 4 5:49 PM, 2006

to see CA Bengals and Jags together and give those Lrg Int. Jrs a run for their money though. I wonder why they aren't doing that? Perhaps they don't really want to compete against them. That Int. Jrs division will have some talent in it, no doubt.

Date: Tue Dec 5 5:37 AM, 2006

They probably would be doing that (combining Jags and Bengals) if they didn't have a small senior title to defend at Worlds (Jags) and a small junior streak to defend at NCA (Bengals.)

Date: Tue Dec 5 9:03 AM, 2006

?? wrote:

are you sure georgia is coming?
there website says different.

I went to their website to look at their calendar and I believe that is from last year just look the dates for NCA. :)

Date: Tue Dec 5 9:52 AM, 2006

The schedule has been updated. NCE and GA are still not listed. 1 spot open in Sm Sr, 3 in Lrg Sr, 2 in Limited Coed, 3 in Unlimited Coed. Any guesses to who will fill those spots? I assume NCE will bring their Sm Sr along with their Unlimited Coed.

Worlds Watcher wrote:

Wlds Sr Sm Lvl 5
-AZ Power Elite (20)
-Cheer Athletics Jags (20)
-Team To Be Announced
-California All-Stars (20)
-A & J (17)
-Airborne Silver (20)
-Macs Starz (20)
-Magic (20)

Wlds Sr Lg Lvl 5
-Cheer Athletics Panthers (35)
-Desert Storm Elite (35)
-Team To Be Announced
-The Cheer Center -(35)
-Team To Be Announced
-Team To Be Announced

Wlds Sr Ltd Cd Lvl 5
-KC Cheer (33)
-Arizona Heat Elite (30)
-Brandon (33)
-CheerForce Diamondz (35)
-Team To Be Announced
-Team To Be Announced

Wlds Sr Unltd Cd Lvl 5
-Pace (32)
-South Jersey Storm (35)
-Team To Be Announced
-Cheer Central Suns (31)
-California All-Stars (35)
-Team To Be Announced
-Team To Be Announced

Worlds International Open Coed Level 5
-CheerForce Rockiez (40)

Wlds Int Jr Lvl 5
-Arizona Heat Elite - (27)
-CheerForce Alcatraz (35)
-California All-Stars (34)
-Macs Starz (28)

Date: Tue Dec 5 10:04 AM, 2006

Can someone clarify the USASF rules for Int'l divisions. Their website lists team sizes as 5+, meaning there is no upper limit to how many can be on the team. They clarify size of teams for All Girl and Coed teams for Worlds as maximum of 35. Does this also include the internation divisions? It doesn't state that. And Cheerforce Rockiez have listed 40 on their team for American Grand. Hoping someone can confirm that the international divisions are not limited to 35 team members. Boy, will that be interesting.

Date: Tue Dec 5 10:38 AM, 2006

Would be nice wrote:

to see CA Bengals and Jags together and give those Lrg Int. Jrs a run for their money though. I wonder why they aren't doing that? Perhaps they don't really want to compete against them. That Int. Jrs division will have some talent in it, no doubt.

Surely you aren't implying that Cheer Athletics is afraid of the international junior division. You have got to be kidding me. Those two teams (Jags and Bengals) have EACH won at least 5 NCA titles IN A ROW. Each of those teams have won more NCA all star titles than all of the gyms in California combined. Why would they throw that aside and go into a random division that didn't even exist 6 months ago?

Date: Tue Dec 5 12:18 PM, 2006

my guess is that

Small Senior: Nor Cal

Small Coed: West coast mavericks

Large Senior: American?
hm i actually have no idea for lrg senior or the other small coed

Large Coed: Nor Cal
Georgia
WCM

Date: Tue Dec 5 12:32 PM, 2006

I think American is Small Sr this year. And not sure they are going this year. I thought I read that somewhere on this message board.

Date: Tue Dec 5 12:40 PM, 2006

You must be from WCM and I think you have it way wrong. Stop tooting your horn.

Date: Tue Dec 5 12:54 PM, 2006

no no wrote:

You must be from WCM and I think you have it way wrong. Stop tooting your horn.

Huh? Which post are you referring to? I am confused.

Date: Tue Dec 5 1:22 PM, 2006

American is not attending the American Grand. The spot for Small Senior 5 is for NCE. See everyone there!

Date: Tue Dec 5 5:10 PM, 2006

hm wrote:

my guess is that
Small Senior: Nor Cal
Small Coed: West coast mavericks
Large Senior: American?
hm i actually have no idea for lrg senior or the other small coed
Large Coed: Nor Cal
Georgia
WCM

I'm guessing that you have never seen Cheer Athletics or Georgia.