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RE: SOLO'S AT GSSA


Who needs to step it up ??

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yoke

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Kiara is 10 and in 6th grade.

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just thoughtful commentary

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get it straight wrote:

please understand wrote:

nope you missed the point, I am wondering if she is old enough, not debating the attributes or lack thereof of usa or uca. Next year I bet that all USASF sanctioned divisions for seniors will be 12 and up. CF seems to have alot of younger talent and the age old debate that senior aged girls should be on senior aged teams is of interest to me. I am just curious no need to be defensive when you have 7 or 8 girls all under the age of 11 amazing enough to through standing fulls and double fulls. I personally think that they should stay in the junior division. Just my opinion, the 15 and 16 year girls with hips and periods then can continue to fly etc. . But yes this year it is within the rule and cheerforce is tearing it up, so more power to you.


The youngest kid on diamondz is almost 11 and all the diamondz are middle school or older, stop guessing! As far as the solo's, all were on DIAMONDZ for WORLDZ (s) last year except Molia and Chynne. Remember, this was the 3rd place team. Don't worry, these kids can hang.


well I am not guessing and if your youngest is 10 then all of your atheletes are not in middle school at least not the 10 year old unless she is gifted. If you read my previous comments I am not "worried" about anybody from CF being able to "hang". Your atheletes are amazing, I am commenting on younger children in the senior division and hopefully sparking a meaningful conversation/debate with other cheer enthusiasts without it getting ugly. I also wondered what everyone thought about extensive crossovers. I know there isn't a rule about the number of crossovers but I have always felt that the intended spirit of the rule was for injured or to add to a team. California has changed this definition by having entire squads compete in more than one division. POWER has been the master. Level 5 small/large senior and small junior 5, . Cheerforce on a previous post stated that they have about 12 crossovers between Diamondz and Alcatraz. CA and other Texas teams usually do not have extensive crossovers and I do not think this will affect them at worlds as much as it will the California programs that rely on heavy crossovers. I guess they will all have decisions to make

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In our gym, we currently have 4 girls crossing over teams. Two because they asked to and two because there were injuries. They won't be permanant. Out of 365 kids, that isn't too bad... do you think?

OC Mom

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me again

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I don't think it is a "good" or a "bad" thing either way. I see pros and cons for both. Programs can have more than one level 5 team and enhance level 4 teams etc, increasing prestige of the gym and attracting more kids. It can also cause burn out and give an impression that they have more level 5 atheletes than they actually have. I dont know what is more impressive the same 15 fantabulous kids performing 2 or three times a competiton or for example California Allstars (this is just my example please don't get upset I am not affiliated with them). They have 4 level 5 teams with minimal crossovers (Senior small 5, Jr.small 5, Jr. large 5 and lrg coed 5 ) . They had a big increase in numbers it looks like for the year. Now they could take their best 15 kids and recycle, but choose to spread the wealth amongst the four teams. I am not saying which is better or more benifical for the sport. Anyone have any thoughts?

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Fierce Coach Megan

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FACT: USA does not allow anyone under the age of 12 years to compete in a WORLDS division on a senior level team. I know this because we are having the same issue.

FACT: Kiara, and anyone else for that matter will still be able to compete on senior level 5 coed at Worlds, because Worlds has no bottom age limit rule on their worlds division.
Competition hosting companies have the right to set a age rule if they feel like it, no matter what USASF rules say. If you ask me, it's dumb. And even though I am torn on the rule, I go back and forth each day on it, I still think that whatever USASF says, sohuld go for the time being. I know this is going to be a hot topic this upcoming 2007-2008 season when they are revising rules once more.

CF's options (and anyone else for that matter): They go to USA, swoop on that first place trophy and bid right? THE CATCH: They have to take Kiara out of their routine. And anyone else under the age limit. Then after they recieve a bid they can swap those girls in at worlds. You can swap in or out 10 girls when you compete at Worlds. THE SUPER CATCH: Those ten girls or how ever so many you'd like to swap in and out have to had competed at the same competition within your own company, the day that your team recieved that bid. Which wouldn't be too hard for them, considiering the girl is also on CF junior 5.

So she competes CF J5, her SR CoED 5 team competes win the bid, then she is swapped in.

GET IT?

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Or

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Or they just take their money and talent and get their bids from an organization that goes by what USASF says and represent THEM at Worlds. That's how I'd play it if it were up to me.

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Bryan

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How many time has this issue become a question on this board? Let's leave it alone... geeze.

Bryan
MOTIONS Large Coed

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Well

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What topic would you suggest, Mr. Message Board Police? What would be acceptable and non-offensive to your sensibilities - after all one person should always dictate the discussions of several dozen others...

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hahahah

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I can never remember everything that has been discussed. So how these people can keep track, I'll never know.

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JOHN HEBERT

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WOW

I thank "just thoughtful commentary" I have always strived to be the best, and now you bestow upon me the title of MASTER. LOL

There is logical reasoning why we have set up our teams and skill level requirements for each. Every team we have in our program has a different set of skill requirements, subsets of skill requirements that USASF goes by. This allows us to reward progression of skills by individuals by placement on teams more so than a typical program. This has allowed us to educate our members, parents, and staff more in depth than at other gyms/programs in our area.

The final result
1. Parents that are knowledgeable and understanding of skill requirements that are needed to be competitive in the different age/level teams. This has cut back tremendously the "drama" associated with placement of members. It has also united our parents by their knowledge of our sport and the goals we (POWER) have set for the future.

2. It has educated our members in terms of skill progressions and their importance. Our kids now know what skills they need to move to the next level. They know they are accountable for their skills and no matter how much we like them or who their parents are, they and they alone control their future. This is a great "life skill" that we are attempting to teach our members.

3. Our staff has become more assertive, creative, and dedicated. We are looking to push the envelope, plan for the future, and develop our members in a positive manner.

Overall I think our set up of teams and education of the program is paying off. The amount of drama has decreased ten fold, our kid’s work ethic has increased, and we are a more unified PROGRAM than ever before

Anyone coming to POWER knows upfront what skills are expected for each of our levels and teams. Cross Competing from one team to another for our PORGRAM is mostly done so that members will get to perform skills that they would not have performed on the team they are on. Example A Suzy is on our Large Senior 5, she has a full but in our choreography there is no time for her pass as other members have more difficult passes or there is no the time in the routine. Suzy is also on Junior 5 where she will get to perform her full. Example B Betty is on Large Senior 5 and she is a flyer, but because we are focusing on 10 stunt groups she can only do certain tricks because she is on a 2-person stunt (2 bases). This prohibits her from doing skills that she could possibly do with 3 bases, because of the rules set forth by the USASF. Betty is also on SM Sr 5 where the focus on individual stunts is the difficulty of our stunt section, now she gets to use/push her skills as a flyer.

I hope this helps everyone understand why we are doing what we do. If we are blessed enough to have our Large Senor 5 and Small Senior 5 get bids again this year, I will be left with the decision of which one to take to WORLDS. Both teams know that will be the team that has the best work ethic and best shot of winning. I have been upfront and honest from the get go with them, so there is no DRAMA.

We will abide by any changes the USASF has in store, and will restructure our format to ensure the best possible experience and product for all involved.

I am lucky to have such great staff, members, and parents!

Cheers

JOHN


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TMI

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Too much info tha was not needed

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FORMER PARENT

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John
we love so much..
your explaination describes exactly the way all programs should be run.
This is why your program will continue to be the top program in California.

Former Power Parent

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Yea

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I just skimed thru it too. He just felt the need to clarify I guess. Thanks John.

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oc?

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OC? do u have any pictures of ur solo tumberler CC???

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i heard

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Hey I heard CF had two boys doing individuals did they go to this comp. I know one if on diamondz who is supposed to be a good tumbler and the other is on one of their other teams also supposed to be a good tumbler.

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CheerForcecoach

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Oh my wow..... Everyone of my kids walked off the floor with joy in there face, thats all the explanation this boards really needs for what I do.....

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OC

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I don't have the photos of her in action downloaded yet but here's one of her and her sister. She's the one in the back.



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To John, love thoughtful commentary

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Your program is amazing and I wasn't trying to imply otherwise, Power is definitely rising to the top and I am proud they are from California. Good luck to everyone this season and keep working hard!

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Thanks

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Sounds like Power is sucessful for many reasons; including encouraging parent support and informing ("educating") them on why they do what they do with regard to levels and placement. I think many progams could learn from communicating with their parents/customers instead of threatening to dismiss them if they ask questions. When we don't know the reasons that things are being done... we talk with each other, we wonder, speculate, etc. Even if we don't agree with the reason (although most of us trust our coaches or we would not be there), at least we understand if you would just COMMUNICATE with us.

John, I appreciate you taking the time to explain how you do things (even though you don't own US any explaination). You have earned my respect and I wish your gyms the best this season.



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