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youth mom/coach wrote:

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When you have to learn 3 half time routines, a half time cheer, a hello cheer, 25+ sidelines cheers and put together a competition routine in 3 months and 2 weeks you will learn to understand why 3 or 4 nights of practice compared to your 2 days a week over 12 months still gives you the advantage....wake up!

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Ok you can learn cheers in a week of practice and half times are no big deal at all. I do them all the time, so don't act like that this puts you at a huge disadvantage. Plus all stars don't go to 12 months. Most tryout in May and end in March, with lots of breaks in between.

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o.k. so I guess you are speaking from experience? Not sure how many Early Childhood Development classes you have attended although if you had any knowledge you would know that little girls (MM level) can only retain a minimal amount of 8 counts per day...half times no big deal? You are clearly so clueless...let me guess, you have never coached, barely know what your daughter does at practice and just shows up at competition with your monthly fees all paid up?...must be nice!!! Get a clue before you debate sweetie.

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Ok wrote:

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youth mom/coach wrote:

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When you have to learn 3 half time routines, a half time cheer, a hello cheer, 25+ sidelines cheers and put together a competition routine in 3 months and 2 weeks you will learn to understand why 3 or 4 nights of practice compared to your 2 days a week over 12 months still gives you the advantage....wake up!

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Ok you can learn cheers in a week of practice and half times are no big deal at all. I do them all the time, so don't act like that this puts you at a huge disadvantage. Plus all stars don't go to 12 months. Most tryout in May and end in March, with lots of breaks in between.

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o.k. so I guess you are speaking from experience? Not sure how many Early Childhood Development classes you have attended although if you had any knowledge you would know that little girls (MM level) can only retain a minimal amount of 8 counts per day...half times no big deal? You are clearly so clueless...let me guess, you have never coached, barely know what your daughter does at practice and just shows up at competition with your monthly fees all paid up?...must be nice!!! Get a clue before you debate sweetie.

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Hmmm...Not nice....shows your childish , none adult colors !!

Bottom line......youth teams should compete with other youth teams and if they want to go all star, then they need to use the USASF rules and call their team a ALL Star team! DONE!! Lets move on....P.S. Even Tiny Cheer(3 to 5 year olds) can learn 8 counts just fine going one day a week for 5 months!!!

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Youth teams practice 3-4 days a week, compared to all star teams who meet 2 times a week, sometimes only for 2 hours each. Plus level 2 is limited on the skills they can do.

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I do agree although please recognize that we have to do much more than focus on outside of our comp routine. There were not any other youth teams competing at a higher level to make the comparison to. I did compare our 8 & under scores to the 11 & under scores with that consideration.

My kid is NOT exceptional by any means, so lets get that cleared up. She's pretty much in the middle with the exception of her flying skills. That's where she excels.

Ok, now...

I volunteer in the gym. Every single day. I also have a full time job. My daughter did both Youth cheer AND All Stars. Yes, Youth has volunteers. They are in NO WAY comparable to All Star Cheerleading coaching. Not even close.

My daughter learned all of her cheers in one week and a half of practice. She was 6. They are very simple. If your kids are taking longer to learn them, it's not them, it's the coaching.

My daughter tumbled on the grass. Just cause you can do it doesn't mean you SHOULD be doing it. Hey, I can drive on ice........ You get my point. My child is now in high school where she tumbles on the track when they cheer. She only does tucks so she doesn't have to land on her hands. It's rough on her back. She stunts on the track. But the HUGE difference is..... her high school coach is also an all-star coach. They took this high school team into the all star gym over the summer and taught EVERYONE (some all star kids, some brand new cheerleaders) and built them from the ground up. I told my daughter over the years that she would NEVER cheer in school. PERIOD. But then the all star gym took over the program and I knew she would be safe.

The difference between Youth and All Star is APPARENT. At tryouts, you could tell the difference in the Youth kids and the All Star kids. It was so incredibly obvious it was as if we were pitting a youth team against an all star team. Now mind you, this is one school and one experience, but I guess that's all we ALL can go on. Our own experiences.

Just as there is in all star cheer, there is in youth. You will have some coaches who are better qualified than others. But if you are volunteering your time with another full time job and have not been around cheerleading in order to know the BASIC INFORMATION on how to CORRECTLY teach stunting and tumbling, you cannot speak as a coach for ANY level of cheerleading. Just because one GIVES of themselves does not mean that they are automatically doing everything right. I volunteer my time at the gym every single day. Sometimes upwards of 6 hours. (actually that happens 2x per week but whatever. Not lookin for brownie points)
I have been around cheer for OVER 7 years and can tell when a kid is doing something wrong in their stunts, their tumbling UP TO a full where my "expertiese" runs out. BUT AM I COACHING????? Oh He** no!!!!!!

I am ONLY A PARENT. I would not go out and coach a youth team for any amount of money. Wanna know why? Because I KNOW BETTER. I am not qualified to take any team and teach them because now that I have been with both Youth and All Star cheer, I know that those kids SHOULD NOT be tumbling on the grass and stunting on the dirt track. It is dangerous and I would not ask them to do so. I would not want to be responsible for that. No way. No how.

So for the youth "volunteers' and the all star coaches or choreographers to actually have an argument here is silly. First off, youth coaches DON'T have the experience that all star coaches do. PERIOD. (unless they WERE an all star coach for more than 2 years) AND Mr./Ms. Choreographer, you shouldn't be trying to prove a moot point.

Youth Mom, thank you for sharing your gift of time with those children. They will be better for it and will always remember it, just as my own child has. But please refrain from any more argument on who's better at what. You are doing a great job as a volunteer, but remember that is the key word there. Until you are hired by a large gym to coach kids in the advanced levels, you cannot hold water with your argument. As a leader of children, you are what this society needs more of. But because you volunteer in a kindergarten classroom doesn't mean you can lecture at the local university.

Enough already. This thread is about the POWER Competition. This is not about youth football rules in Sacramento, or how they are in the Bay Area, or that the cornfields in Iowa cause kids to be slower, or the air in the mountains of Colorado cause kids to be faster.

Youth football rules today are similar to All-star rules years ago, where every company had their own version. Until all companies are on the same page and until all youth leagues abide by the same set of guidelines mandated by those companies it will be as it is now. Leave it at that. Direct your concerns to the companies that host the competitions, not the leagues or organizations themselves.

If you want change start at the top of the chain (the companies) not the bottom (the volunteers).

I thank all of you for this lively discussion and wide array of topics, although the last 3 pages were not about my competition LOL, but now it is over!


Cheers
JOHN HEBERT
Owner POWER

Danny Close the thread please!