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California Coach

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RE: silly kids


I absolutely agree. It is better to remove the troublemakers from your program (child or parent, even if the child is a top performer) than to allow their attitude and negativity to spread to other kids and parents.

"Oh but she's a great flyer!" "Oh but she has her full!"

I DON'T CARE. Coddling a bad attitude because someone is a good athlete brings the entire team down to their level, attitude-wise.

If it's a problem, it's a problem for everyone, and the problem needs to get out. Everyone is replaceable, and if someone can't get with the program, they are more than welcome to take their bad attitude elsewhere.

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Yes

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PERFECTLY SAID.

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Agree 100%

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I agree 100% with the coach that says "get out of my house". Bottom line is if your kid(s) still need a kick in the butt to straighten up. Then the parents need to be the policing factor at home and make their children understand that not all of the kids on the team have such money to burn and work hard for it. When you have spoiled kids that act out because there is no discipline at home, this effects the whole squad. These kids need to have more respect for their surroundings and respect everyone else. This is a team sport and there is no I in team, so i know that there is going to be someone to complain to this post as there is always someone that has no life and sits here all day, but the point was made i hope.

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Numbers rule the school

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easilly said from the big gyms, I feel because we are from a small gym the sillliness is tolerated because "numbers" rule all decision making. It wasn't always like that, but now it seems everything revolves around the numbers. So sad.

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coach causing controversy

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We're a small gym.... I'll still tell them where the door is. thank you agree 100%. If my child were to disrespect a coach, teacher or just someone in general, I would be right on their behind. As a coach, I don't have time for someone to show no respect for anyone in the gym at the time. If they want to act the way they do then we have a problem.

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Parent

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I like Nelsons way for his Sr Coed level 5 team, standing back tucks, it really does the trick. Updowns are good too for a non-standing back squad.

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glad

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I'm glad my daughter doesn't have a coach that says stuff like "get out of my house". She has a great set of mature coaches who give members of a team the option of leaving the organization if they don't follow the rules. No screaming, no threats.

Why do people post, and then say that those who reply have no lives. This is my first post on this subject, I have a life, thank you. Giving my 2 cents anyway.

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Numbers

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I know exactly what you mean about numbers sometimes determines the tolerance level, and I agree, it shouldn't be that way. Especially a new gym starting off, they'll put up with more because they're trying to build their gym. I'm sure even they have their limits as to what they'll put up with, but bratty misbehaving kids do seem to get away with more when a gym needs them there, from a business standpoint.

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sad for the serious ones

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I truly feel that just like a teacher sets the tone for their classroom as far as what they will let the kids get away with... a cheer coach sets the tone for the mats. If the kids are messing around then it is beacuse they have been allowed to do it. Cheerleading is way to dangerous to deal with sillyness and kids not taking it serious. Just wait till someone get hurts because of it.... I say give the kid a choice...straighten up or find somewhere else to goof off.
Its just not fair to the other team members.

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Brittany

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wow you actually think we dont try hard??????


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I agree

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sad for the serious ones wrote:

I truly feel that just like a teacher sets the tone for their classroom as far as what they will let the kids get away with... a cheer coach sets the tone for the mats. If the kids are messing around then it is beacuse they have been allowed to do it. Cheerleading is way to dangerous to deal with sillyness and kids not taking it serious. Just wait till someone get hurts because of it.... I say give the kid a choice...straighten up or find somewhere else to goof off.
Its just not fair to the other team members.




I agree with this statement. There are some kids who are just there to pass time and those kids need to be in a rec class, youth/sideline team, or just something to be social. Some kids travel 1 hour each way just to be on these all star teams and to see kids waste their time by talking or goofing off is sad. They have to want to be good in order to get there.

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misbehaving

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To Brittney, this is about goofing off, misbehaving, not listening, etc..; it has nothing to do with not trying hard.

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Mom

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I was in a traveling dance group, if we goofed off my dance teacher made us go home, and it only took one time of getting picked up by my mom early and explaining why practice ended early to get into gear and realize my dance teacher wasn't my after school babysitter.

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coach causing controversy Business Partner

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All to set the record straight and again read this carefully. Our gym along with many other gyms focus on safety first. We are there not only to coach your children but we as coaches must teach in a safe enviroment. When there is a team member who is disrupting the entire practice "Some One will get hurt and it may be your child". In our gym each of our team members are accountable for their actions.
Our parents are informed at the beginning of the season of the requirements and expectations of their children. We do have any team member who is distrupting the practice call home to be picked up early. And they do have to explain what happened to their parent. Remember by sending them home it effects your childs practice as well. Our parents like the decipline and structure we provide at our gym. They know the team members are in a safe enviroment and are expected to work as a team. In fact they often contact us to speak to their child with issues outside the gym. So if we are doing something wrong then I guess our parents are all wrong too.
I believe when you are hearing there is the door you are hearing it as a negative. Something the coach yells to the member. This is not the case the coach explains to the team member that if they feel this is not the sport for them it is ok to go. In fact it is better for them and the team that they go and do what they really like. "There is the door". We support every individual that walks in and out of our gym 100%.
When a team member is sent home or when we have to stop practice for one individual to do ups and down it does effect the entire team from a safe practice.

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aGREED

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I don't think we were thinking negatively on your gym as a whole. At least I wasn't. We were just thinking of idle threats. Unless you send them out that door, don't threaten it.

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To Business Partner

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I think everyone is in agreement that if a child is goofing off consistently, it is time for them to leave, find a different sport. Nobody disagrees there, from what I'm reading. We get it. But take a look at your post, and then look at the original post by coach causing controversy. Quite different I would say. Showing someone the door, calling parents, giving the child the option of shaping up or leaving is not the same as yelling "get out of my house". That was scary. You might say some are reading too much into it, but often you can tell a lot about a person by the way they post and the words they use. That is what other posts were referring to. But that message seems to be falling on deaf ears.

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at what point

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I agree that you can't keep showing someone the door, leaving a vacant spot at practices. There has to be a limit, maybe if they're asked to leave practice more than once they need to leave for good? The post said "it's okay to go" if this isn't the sport for them. But if they decide to stay, how long does a coach put up with it? Haven't heard an answer to that one yet. I also agree that the first post came across as someone screaming and threatening, but not calmly giving someone options.

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Solution

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Unfortunately the ones who usually goof off (at least in our case) are not the ones who realize this sport may not be right for them. The ones who leave after the season is over are usually well behaved and give it their best shot, but realize it's not for them. The ones who goof off, misbehave, are usually selfish and spoiled and think they're above everyone else. Not only do they think this is the sport for them, but they usually think they can do it better than others, lol.

Simple solution would be to have it in writing that after they are asked to leave a certain amount of practices (heck, even 1!) they will be asked to leave the program. Just like they do in school, after a number of suspensions, the next step is expelling. But you have to have rules and then stick by them, I think that's the key.

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Agree With Solution

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Thanks Solution, I agree with you. And just like the parenting trend these days, threats seem to fall on deaf ears. As a parent and a coach, all you need to do is come down pretty hard once or twice and you don't have the problem any longer. Punishment needs to fit the crime, and it needs to be followed thru with. Yelling THERE'S THE DOOR or GET OUR OF MY HOUSE won't work. Stop practice, calmly say, "Go to my office, I will deal with you in a minute." works wonders. Everyone else on the floor will be wondering what's going on in the office, call the kids parents and have them come to the gym to have a meeting. TRUST ME, if it happens again, this child should NOT be on your team. But 99% of the time, it WON'T happen again AND the other kids will take you seriously. They will KNOW you aren't kidding and you didn't have to yell at anyone.

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Yes

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Perfect said, I agree 100%. If after all that (taking child into office, parent coming down, etc...) the child continues to misbehave, they really have no business being there, period.

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