FAV Cali Gym?

Date: Thu Aug 17 3:12 AM, 2006

RE: FAV Cali Gym?

Date: Thu Aug 17 6:19 AM, 2006

I liked watching Athletic Perfection from Tracy they really stepped it up last year. Pyramids Coed and Powerhouse were also good. I agree that Airborne is one of my favorites. There are alot of good teams and I also enjoy the smaller gyms that sometimes seem to get overlooked. It's a new year and I'm excited to see how everyone does. Will miss some of the gyms that are no longer here :(

Date: Thu Aug 17 6:20 AM, 2006

cheer coach wrote:

i actually have to disagree...

i really liked watching high desert...theres alot of strong talent and the kids always seemed pumped and positive.

Exactly. So why did they feel the need to DROP a level for UCA? Other teams dropped because they had problems with injuries etc. They just dropped because they wanted an easy jacket. They dropped a level and added kids from their jr elite team so their Sr Coed Elite could compete LEVEL 4 in Florida. No guts.

Date: Thu Aug 17 6:24 AM, 2006

There is so much talk about who is the best and who will make it to worlds that sometimes the smaller gyms are just overlooked. There is alot of talent out there. I enjoy seeing the level 2's, 3's and 4's from the smaller gyms. It's nice to see a thread giving a shout out to some of these teams. Good luck this season I'm excited to see what the year has in store.....

Date: Thu Aug 17 6:43 AM, 2006

Still, no guts wrote:

cheer coach wrote:

i actually have to disagree...

i really liked watching high desert...theres alot of strong talent and the kids always seemed pumped and positive.

Exactly. So why did they feel the need to DROP a level for UCA? Other teams dropped because they had problems with injuries etc. They just dropped because they wanted an easy jacket. They dropped a level and added kids from their jr elite team so their Sr Coed Elite could compete LEVEL 4 in Florida. No guts.

Ok you are one of those people who look at having guts as getting 10th in level 5 when you can possibly place top 5 if you go down a level. Whats wrong with that. Competing level 5 in california in not the same as it is when you go to the east coast. Regardless of CA, Cheer Force and Power, its not the same. Thats why we do travel, plus they might of realized its not worth spending $800.00 to go and place low. Parents and kids don't like that.

Date: Thu Aug 17 7:15 AM, 2006

It's a tough call sometimes. I know of one team who did great at a particular level, UNTIL towards the end when they started going against tougher teams and started attending competitions that awarded difficulty, and then they realized they were clearly lacking in tumbling and stunts, and were in the wrong level. So for their last comp they went from level 4 to level 3 and ended up grand champs for that division, or something like that. Was it fair to the others who were competing at level 3 all year? I guess it depends on how you look at it. They realized their weakness.. just a little later than others, and figured they'd end their season on a high note. Now if the comps they went to at the start used the SAME SCORING as the comps towards the end, they would have realized it earlier. I think that's one more reason you see some teams dropping down, especially towards the end.

Date: Thu Aug 17 8:08 AM, 2006

Guts wrote:

Still, no guts wrote:

cheer coach wrote:

i actually have to disagree...

i really liked watching high desert...theres alot of strong talent and the kids always seemed pumped and positive.

Exactly. So why did they feel the need to DROP a level for UCA? Other teams dropped because they had problems with injuries etc. They just dropped because they wanted an easy jacket. They dropped a level and added kids from their jr elite team so their Sr Coed Elite could compete LEVEL 4 in Florida. No guts.

Ok you are one of those people who look at having guts as getting 10th in level 5 when you can possibly place top 5 if you go down a level. Whats wrong with that. Competing level 5 in california in not the same as it is when you go to the east coast. Regardless of CA, Cheer Force and Power, its not the same. Thats why we do travel, plus they might of realized its not worth spending $800.00 to go and place low. Parents and kids don't like that.

Mavericks won at UCA this past year, and they usually place in the top 3 when they go there. Outlaws have won there in the past and usually place pretty high when they haven't won. High Desert competes against those teams all season long. Its not like Cheer Athletic, Top Gun and teams like that are there. News flash, unless there's a tie, there is only one 1st place winner/division. If parents and kids would rather go for a cheap win, go for it. But, still. NO GUTS. I wonder what the reaction would be if a better known team like CA or Cheerforce moved their team down in order to ensure a win?

Date: Thu Aug 17 9:19 AM, 2006

I have to agree with no guts. What are we teaching our kids when we tell them only 1st place is acceptable. Not every straight A student is going to be a valedictorian, not every qualified applicant will get the job. Back to what the other thread was saying, we are going to have to let our kids suffer some bumps and bruises or else they will be in for a very rude awakening once they leave their momma's protective nest. I've never really been on board with all these levels 1-5, but I understand why they do it. Almost every gym out there claims to be a national champion. What some of them leave out is that there were only 2 teams in the division, or they dropped a level or 2 to get that title or only teams from their state were at that "National competition." I have to agree, I think HDC was sandbagging for nationals. Does the fact that you don't win the level 5 title mean you don't belong in level 5? Try explaining that to ALL of the level 5 teams of California, because they all went to worlds and none of them won. What's an acceptable placing before you have to drop? 3rd for CF? 4th for CA? 5th for POWER? Would you say that definitely American, Mavericks, Cheergyms and Motions need to drop to level 4 since they placed 10th or lower at Worlds. I'm sorry, I don't buy that argument.

Date: Thu Aug 17 9:26 AM, 2006

Agree with no guts wrote:

I have to agree with no guts. What are we teaching our kids when we tell them only 1st place is acceptable. Not every straight A student is going to be a valedictorian, not every qualified applicant will get the job. Back to what the other thread was saying, we are going to have to let our kids suffer some bumps and bruises or else they will be in for a very rude awakening once they leave their momma's protective nest. I've never really been on board with all these levels 1-5, but I understand why they do it. Almost every gym out there claims to be a national champion. What some of them leave out is that there were only 2 teams in the division, or they dropped a level or 2 to get that title or only teams from their state were at that "National competition." I have to agree, I think HDC was sandbagging for nationals. Does the fact that you don't win the level 5 title mean you don't belong in level 5? Try explaining that to ALL of the level 5 teams of California, because they all went to worlds and none of them won. What's an acceptable placing before you have to drop? 3rd for CF? 4th for CA? 5th for POWER? Would you say that definitely American, Mavericks, Cheergyms and Motions need to drop to level 4 since they placed 10th or lower at Worlds. I'm sorry, I don't buy that argument.

Sorry, but you don't pay this kind of money to boost your own ego. There are particular programs that can stay at the same level, Ie. POWER, but other programs cannot afford to do that. Again it goes back to what your coach thinks is apporpriate to compete at a certain skill level. Squad standing back tucks, doesn't equal level 5. Its a level 4 skill. Having 6-8 fulls doesn't either. Unless your going to really bring it at the national level, IE. Dallas, Atlanta or Florida in level 5, then maybe your team should go level 4. If its for bragging rights, then you will lose many kids becasue they don't remember their level, they will remember how they place. All stars is about skill progressions, not just throwing your team in a category to just compete. Thats such an olld mind set.

Date: Thu Aug 17 9:29 AM, 2006

It's great that you said "all these cali teams went to worlds and did great", but put the total number of all star programs verus the amount that went to worlds its probably 5%. Ya we had a lot of teams go, but California is one of the largest states. We should be sending more teams, but the skill level as a whole isn't there. With the new levels, kids are learning at regular pace and not being forced to learn double downs just because their coach is getting bored with extensions.

Date: Thu Aug 17 10:54 AM, 2006

Well here is my two cents for what it's worth. In gymnastic you compete in lower levels then what you are working to make sure that your routine passes are clean adn easy for you to do. Cheerleading is no different. If a team is competing level 5 and it's really hard for them to do then they should move down a level. I have seen teams with 6 doubles and 3 standing fulls need to be moved down a level because they lacked stunts and their jumps were just horrible. A lot of things come into deciding what elvel to go into. If a coach thinks their team is going to be competative enough in the level they are in, they should move them down a level. But to compete all year in level 5 then go to level 4 for a comp is just pathetic. If your team isn't good enough to hang you would know by teh first few comps. After that they should have been moved down and stayed level 4. I have no sympathy for gyms who change levels for an easy win instead of teaching their kids to work harder to get better then the team they are facing. You basically tell your kids when life is to hard you just need to take a step down and it will all be better instead of the harder you work the more you prosper.

Date: Thu Aug 17 11:35 AM, 2006

GymStars Level 4 kicked butt last year!

Date: Thu Aug 17 11:57 AM, 2006

If every kid on your team isn't doing what is allowed for tha tlevel, it isn't bad to move down a level. If you're gonna compete in a level, then you had best be doing EVERYTHING that is allowed. Or you will face a team that does, so don't cry when you lose. If you lost in level 4 to another team, well I guess your team just wasn't good enough, now was it????

And of course there will be those who say,,,,,, ooooohhhhh then lets all go to level 2. Please. You know what I mean. Don't be ridiculous.

Date: Thu Aug 17 3:52 PM, 2006

Please wrote:

Agree with no guts wrote:

I have to agree with no guts. What are we teaching our kids when we tell them only 1st place is acceptable. Not every straight A student is going to be a valedictorian, not every qualified applicant will get the job. Back to what the other thread was saying, we are going to have to let our kids suffer some bumps and bruises or else they will be in for a very rude awakening once they leave their momma's protective nest. I've never really been on board with all these levels 1-5, but I understand why they do it. Almost every gym out there claims to be a national champion. What some of them leave out is that there were only 2 teams in the division, or they dropped a level or 2 to get that title or only teams from their state were at that "National competition." I have to agree, I think HDC was sandbagging for nationals. Does the fact that you don't win the level 5 title mean you don't belong in level 5? Try explaining that to ALL of the level 5 teams of California, because they all went to worlds and none of them won. What's an acceptable placing before you have to drop? 3rd for CF? 4th for CA? 5th for POWER? Would you say that definitely American, Mavericks, Cheergyms and Motions need to drop to level 4 since they placed 10th or lower at Worlds. I'm sorry, I don't buy that argument.

Sorry, but you don't pay this kind of money to boost your own ego. There are particular programs that can stay at the same level, Ie. POWER, but other programs cannot afford to do that. Again it goes back to what your coach thinks is apporpriate to compete at a certain skill level. Squad standing back tucks, doesn't equal level 5. Its a level 4 skill. Having 6-8 fulls doesn't either. Unless your going to really bring it at the national level, IE. Dallas, Atlanta or Florida in level 5, then maybe your team should go level 4. If its for bragging rights, then you will lose many kids becasue they don't remember their level, they will remember how they place. All stars is about skill progressions, not just throwing your team in a category to just compete. Thats such an olld mind set.

Dropping down for the easy win is to boost their egos.

Date: Sat Aug 19 6:01 PM, 2006

If your saying level 4 is an easy win then your just not watching the competitions. The level 4 teams are so good now. They are doing standing back tucks and alternate passes on the diagonal. I have seen High Desert for years and they never had had so many fulls and double downs its been overwhelming. They had room to go either way.

Date: Sat Aug 19 6:49 PM, 2006

Our level 4 team has full team standing tucks... so yea, level 4 is quite competitive

Date: Sat Aug 19 7:35 PM, 2006

What team are you talking about that has full team standing tucks? That is awesome!

Date: Sat Aug 19 8:24 PM, 2006

That is cool, I'm also wondering what team you're on? And do you have any crossovers from a level 5 team? If not, good for you!!

Date: Sat Aug 19 8:58 PM, 2006

I'm actually a little afraid to say what gym we are because then you KNOW what happens. Our gym will be bashed or someone will say something negative and then it's all out war. But we do exist. (we are a little excited about it too, to be truthful)

But no, no crossovers at all.

And thanks for the nice comment! ;)

Date: Sat Aug 19 9:03 PM, 2006

We know what you mean, and it's completely understandable. I hope we see you at at least one competition; we'll probably go against you as we also have a level 4 team. Bring it on!