nce

Date: Mon Jul 3 4:02 PM, 2006

RE: nce

Date: Mon Jul 3 4:05 PM, 2006

Yep, and the results were shown on the mat:

Worlds Bids:

Power: 2
Cheergyms: 2
SBE: 0

Date: Mon Jul 3 4:13 PM, 2006

i dont think people realize that competetive cheer is about beng the BEST and sometimes the best you have is a 12 year old flyer and thats just the way that things go . . . its like saying that cheerleaders that aret taller than 5' 6 cant tumble because it gives them an advantage with how much they have to throw around compared to a taller person. some teams need to get over the fact that they just dont have small or younger flyers that are dedicated enough and work hard at what they do. . . and every team has people who cross over and we shouldnt complain because its that many more people who have just performed or are about to perform multiple times and that means your competetors are more tired compared to those who only walk on the floor once.

Date: Mon Jul 3 5:32 PM, 2006

Crossovers wrote:

Yep, and the results were shown on the mat:

Worlds Bids:

Power: 2
Cheergyms: 2
SBE: 0

yeaaa those are the hard facts.

but you cant really count it like that.

i mean motions basically had their bid handed to them.

no one ever is gonna agree on whos the best so whatever just be obsessed with your own team and there will always be competition

p.s. yea i know this will probably get deleted..

Date: Mon Jul 3 6:41 PM, 2006

i say we drop last season its a new season now and its really stupid to start old drama again.

Date: Mon Jul 3 6:48 PM, 2006

I can see u........ it doesn't really matter how you get to worlds in my book. We didn't get to go. And even if we were like Magic who got a bid with zero competition and didn't even make the cut, we would take it. Just to get to go is a privlege (sp) and I would have loved to go. Now to WIN a bid is awesome but then by the time you are good enough to win a bid, you are already happy with your season so I would guess it's not quite as surprising.

Even though the best of the best get to go, as you can see, even the teams that are not at the top of their game are getting to go. It's just if you are at the right place at the right time. Magic's website claims that we went but we got to watch from the sidelines. So luck seems to be another way to get around winning.

Date: Mon Jul 3 6:49 PM, 2006

There's nothing to talk about for this season yet except who do you think will be good and so far that topic is totally boring.

Date: Mon Jul 3 6:50 PM, 2006

Magic had no place there but they went. You have to either be great on the floor with little kids flying or totally lucky from what I have seen.

And drop last years topics? What else are we supposed to talk about? Ummm, so how's the weather guys?

Date: Mon Jul 3 8:32 PM, 2006

So what will it look like this coming season now that crossovers are NOT allowed? That's a topic we can speculate on...

Personally I don't think a mini version of a larger team should be able to compete separately. And I'm thrilled that this coming season they won't be able to. There I said it, ha!

Date: Mon Jul 3 8:47 PM, 2006

I agree...and I can't wait until it's not just no crossovers for Worlds...but no crossovers AT ALL. Then we will see where the true talent lies in teams. No more of this pulling all your junior all-girl flyers to your senior co-ed team.

Date: Mon Jul 3 11:56 PM, 2006

Question for Power, or anyone else who might know. At Jamz Nationals I saw their Level 4 Senior Team (large), and I thought they were pretty good. Were any of their Senior Level 5 girls on the Level 4 team too? I didn't think of it at the time, I just assumed they were a separate team (and they very well might have been). Just wonderin.

Date: Tue Jul 4 12:36 AM, 2006

At most companies you are not allowed to cross compete within the same age level. For example: Someone can not compete Small Senior Level 4 and the Large Senior 5. But you can compete within levels...meaning...you can compete large senior 5 and large senior 5 as well as you are allowed to compete coed to all girl in the same level..hope that helps.

Date: Tue Jul 4 9:01 AM, 2006

You can compete large senior 5 and large senior 5???? did you mean small and large 5?

Date: Tue Jul 4 9:01 AM, 2006

I do not know about the level 4 team, but I do know that the 2 level 5 teams are made up of kids from 2 seperate locations 2 hours apart. meaning, they only practice together as a team , ONCE a week during comp. season. To perform like they do, crossovers or not...now THAT is talent! If a kid can handle the pressure of 2 level 5 teams...go for it.

Date: Tue Jul 4 9:02 AM, 2006

huh?

Date: Tue Jul 4 9:25 AM, 2006

Power has 2 locations, Modesto & Roseville (sac).

Date: Tue Jul 4 10:06 AM, 2006

There are NO CROSSOVERS at worlds this year. I don't know how you all havent noticed, but this could potentially be a problem for POWER, cheergyms.com, and potentially NCE. All three of these programs cross compete, And I beleive that for the most part, the majority of us come from those 3 gyms. If Not, I'm sure crossovers happen! that just how it is and thats how it goes- it's allowed at smaller competitions and nationals, but worlds is a different story.

Ultimately, USASF probably banned cross competing at Worlds because they probably wanted to rpevent cross competeing form the beginning of the season. I know that if POWER Large and POWER Small get bids, this could be a bit of a dilemma, and the same goes for any of cheergyms.com's teams.

Bryan
Motions Large Coed
CG.C AA Small Coed

Date: Tue Jul 4 11:08 AM, 2006

If cross competing is not allowed, what's to stop a gym from dropping a kid from one team to be on the team that makes Worlds at the end?

does that make sense?

Date: Tue Jul 4 12:23 PM, 2006

Bryan wrote:

Ultimately, USASF probably banned cross competing at Worlds because they probably wanted to rpevent cross competeing form the beginning of the season. I know that if POWER Large and POWER Small get bids, this could be a bit of a dilemma, and the same goes for any of cheergyms.com's teams.

Does anyone have the exact wording of the cross-compete rule? I'm lazy, but I'll go look it up and see if i can find it. I'm curious to see how it is worded and if it bans cross-competing just within a program, or entirely (like the whole "is a Motions cheerleader who also competes on All-American really competing for one organization or two?" debate). Because if it's just within an organization, then that sort of creates a gray area that could benefit Cheergyms and also a few gyms out on the East Coast.

And for what it's worth (and I know I've said this before) I'm completely in favor of rules being rules. If USASF wants to be the governing body of this sport, then they should required sanctioned events (like any event that gives out a bid) to be run by those rules at ALL levels, and that includes the no cross-compete rule. I'm sure many coaches are screaming at their monitors, calling me a moron - and I get it, it would affect my teams too - but I think from a credibility perspective it would enhance the competition and make it better AND more fair. If they're not willing to standardize the scoring, they should at least be willing to standardize the general rules. I find it sort of insane that a level 5 senior coed team can take all the girls on that team, make them a seperate team, and then compete them at level 4. It's just one of many ways that playing dirty is made fair, just because it's "allowed".

Anyway, I digress. I'm going to go find the new rules and read them a little more thoroughly.

Date: Tue Jul 4 12:31 PM, 2006

Okay, so here it is:

USASF wrote:

The Cheer Worlds Crossovers:
Crossovers of any kind will not be allowed at The Cheerleading Worlds competition.

This includes but restricted to:
1. crossovers from on team to another team within a gym or program.
2. crossovers from one gym to another.
3. crossovers from an American team to an International team.
4. crossovers between The Cheerleading Worlds and The Dance Worlds.

So that answers my question. You get one performance and one performance only.

Personally, I love it. And I know I'm in the minority. But I really believe it will enhance the level of competition and the integrity of it as well.