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Date: Sun Jul 2 5:22 AM, 2006

RE: nce

Date: Sun Jul 2 5:22 AM, 2006

yourselves*

Bryan
otions Coed

Date: Sun Jul 2 8:38 AM, 2006

I think its because its a safe area to express yourself without getting publicly ridiculed because only people that read the message board will know. I would say that the train tracks run both ways though. The gyms that conisistently give themselves an "ego boost" are always the teams that get ridiculed. Keep the competition on the floor. All Star gyms and teams need to work together instead of against each other because they all fight the same battles of competitions, unhapy customers, recruitment, divisions constantly changing, people leaving mid season, and just other issues.

Date: Sun Jul 2 9:29 AM, 2006

people wont post crap about cheergyms.com because this is there messge board. they think that they can talk crap about everyone else because its not there messege board. And im 99.9% sure if there were crap talked about cheergyms.com it would be taken off as soon as posted.

Date: Sun Jul 2 10:12 AM, 2006

Not sure what Bryan is talking about, but there was plenty of "stuff" posted about cheergyms, stuff that even spread to another message board. But they didn't delete the posts, and as a matter of fact, they specifically addressed an issue that was brought up and a change was made. If you don't know what I'm talking about, I won't elaborate because that would just be bringing up all the crap again. But my point is, this message board can be a good thing if the criticism turns into something constructive. And in that case, it did.

Date: Sun Jul 2 11:32 AM, 2006

The fact of the matter is- don't post a message for everyone and anyone ro read that puts down another team. It's RUDE, it hurts people's feelings, and whether or not you're keeping your anonymity, it will still hurt people's feelings. All my friends on NCA/SBE notice that this message board not only brings up that bad about their team, but about others, too. This is not ok! We want to be sportsman-like and show the very best professional sportsmanship possible. Crap-talking does not fall among those lines.

Bryan
Motions Coed

Date: Sun Jul 2 12:22 PM, 2006

I agree with Bryan in that you shouldn't post if it's just to be rude or if it's to put down a specific team or organization. Keep it to CONSTRUCTIVE criticism. I would not go so far as to say don't point out anything negative (because there are some things that need pointing out), but there are constructive ways to do it. And I don't believe you need to sign your name to do it, because if you did, some things would never be brought out into the open. This board and others have opened my eyes about things I was unaware of, and I think public opinion CAN change things for the better.

But there's no justification for personal attacks whose intentions are to specifically harm an organization or team. Not here, not anywhere.

Date: Sun Jul 2 1:02 PM, 2006

Thanks Bryan! You are awesome.

Yes its true... people from all over do notice this message baord, and honestly I never write back because it is a waste of my energy. If i ever see a topic with our name in it, I know it is usually not positive, so why read it?

I just think its funny that 90% of the time all we are doing is defending ourselves yet it seems like people always have something else to say!

Anyways, I'm not saying dont say what you want. Say WHATEVER you feel like. But if you do... expect it to come right back to you.

Thanks again Bry, love ya

Brittany
Nor*Cal Elite

Date: Sun Jul 2 8:01 PM, 2006

In case you were wondeirng, Brit is one of my best friends.

-Bryan
Motions Coed

Date: Sun Jul 2 8:01 PM, 2006

Ok Bryan, you want one? And this is NOT meant to hurt your feelings...

The last time we ran into Motions, the boys were quite rude to us. ALL OF THE BOYS. Plain and simple. We said hi, you guys looked us up and down, nodded your head and turned the other way. Then you kinda hit hands together (whatever that meant) and looked over at us a few times but not once was a smile made or a mutter of a hello.

So, for the constructive critisism.... say hello and give some sort of smile. We felt so embarassed for even saying hi that day and avoided you guys for the rest of the competition. Then one of your own parents apologized for you guys and said that you guys had a bit of a "holyer than thou" complex and we shouldn't take it personally. But it was really hard not to.

-A So Cal Cheerleader

Date: Sun Jul 2 8:29 PM, 2006

I'm not sure who you are or where you cheer and quite frankly, I dont remember this incident. Do I know you personally, or were you introducing yourself to us? Or was it just a casual "Good Luck Motions..." as we walk by?

As for the hitting hands, I'm not sure what you're talking about, because to all my knowledge, none of us have special handshakes except for kyle and alex.. and they're twins. The handshake I've seen from them is the "bay area baller reppin SJ" handshake, and I can't imagine how that could be offensive to a Southern California team.

If you had introduced yourself, I am truly sorry for any type of unsportsmanlike attitude.

Even if you hadn't introduced yourself, I am sorry for the impression we gave you. Sometimes when we're caught off guard or in the right mind set, it is kind of distracting and hard to concentrate when others make passive movements of sportsmanhip, which I agree, is NO EXCUSE to be rude.

As for the "holyer than you" attitude- I do admit that at times, I can be very ****y. And my male teammates? IMPOSSIBLE. All of us at competitions, NEVER. I pride myself in knowing that I have an overall good sportsmanship toward everyone. Is it the way I walk? Is it the way I talk? Is it the way I carry myself while performing on the blue mat that gave you the impression that we (us motions boys) were not smiling and were not being polite?

I've had a conversation similar to this with my mom, so I'm sure you must've spoken with my mom, so I will not take it offensively.

Defending myself? It would seem so, and if I could, I'd rather being doing my 8 commandments for my team. But seeing that I'm out for another 3 weeks (due to surgery), don't think for a second that I'm being hypocrital.

The intention of this message is not to sound mean, ****y, defensive, or "holyer than you" at all-- that is in fact a whole other topic for dicussion. My idea for replying to your response is not only to apologize for our "innapproriate behavior," but to also let in some light to make you realize that you may be mistaken Shyness for Rudeness, or for perhaps another cause left in the open.

I am 100% sure that NONE and I repeat, NONE of us Motions Boys have this stuck up, ****y, "I'm better than you" attitude.

If you are absolutely inclined to disagree, please email Nelson@cheergyms.com with a complaint, and I'm sure he'd be happy to talk to us about it and offer his apologies.

I'm also sure that some other boys from the team last year would like to make some apologies as well (hint, hint).

Once again, I am sorry for the misunderstanding.

Bryan Chu
Motions Large Coed

Date: Mon Jul 3 4:31 AM, 2006

1. its not a bay area reppin baller sj handshake lol but that was a lil funny. i dont remember what handshake it was we did because i dont know which comp it was.

2. i apologize if it seemed like we were rude but i for the most part am open to meeting new people because its awesome to meet people, and if i could remember the incident i might have an explanation as to why i might have come across that way.

3. i actually thank you for being open because hey the truth hurts i guess i can be immature at times and its sumtin i guess needs fixin. but thank you. i wish the competition or what team you are from but again i apologize

4. yes i know its 5 30 in the mornin on a monday in the summer but hey, i just got off work lol a whole nother story.

5. sorry sorry i hope you dont wanna kick my a** because i was mean at that comp.

o and i didnt see the hint hint part until after i wrote this lol.

Date: Mon Jul 3 9:23 AM, 2006

Well guys, I do have to say that I am impressed with how you said sorry. It wasn't just a sorry and too bad kind of sorry. Thanks so much for taking the time to write those notes to me. Truthfully, I don't even know which of the boys were there doing the handshake, and it really didn't look like anything "planned". We actaully were talking to another one of your teammates briefly, kinda of just saying hi, when it happened. All of us were standing around, waiting for a whole lot of nothing. Everyone had competed for the first day and there wasn't all too much to do. So no one was in any sort of "zone" or "mood" unless we were all just tired of waiting.

But I do accept your apologies. I am sure we shall meet again. I would tell you who I am but I truly don't want you guys to feel like you HAVE to say sorry in person. Not like you would even know us anyway. I didn't complain to Nelson because it really wasn't all that important or tramatizing. It was just embarassing a little.

No harm done and we shall meet again.

-Your Friend in So Cal

Date: Mon Jul 3 1:57 PM, 2006

Agree wrote:

I agree, who cares if a gym has 10 talented people that they rotate through 2 or three teams. I also like the teams that have a minimum age of 13 (like Cali Allstars) to be on Senior teams. Anyone can throw a 10 year old around. It is WAY more impressive when the team wins with a truly senior team.

Cali allstars has young girls on their senior teams too. One of my friends had to sit out because she was too young to compete at USA where they got their worlds bid. And they are probably the inventors of rotating kids to different teams. (maybe not the inventors, but they do it alot)

Date: Mon Jul 3 2:57 PM, 2006

We noticed the same thing and then it was told to us by a CA cheerleader. Team switching is rampant there also. But hey, it's allowed, so why not? It's not against the rules and if the kids can handle it, then I guess it's allright. Whatever you need to do to win. And win they do.

I guess.

Date: Mon Jul 3 3:41 PM, 2006

I am on Cali'Allstars and all of the girls on the elite team are over 13 years old. They flew girls that were taller than their bases, real Sr girls. You're right, though the 12 yr old did sit out at USA last year when we got the bid. In our gym we did have a couple of people that did more than one team. I would guess approx. 3 people did that last year. A boy on coed did jr's for one comp. A girl from jrs did coed for worlds and I think the same boy from coed did jr inter. at Spirit sports last year too. And of course we had the guy from uofl. I don't think we have any this year.

Date: Mon Jul 3 3:47 PM, 2006

Someone wrote earlier that Power had a lot of crossovers. Well, I think they had more then even SBE. Their lg Sr was the Jrs sm and Sr sm team combined. Now that is a lot of crossovers. But it was legal?

Date: Mon Jul 3 3:55 PM, 2006

Actually, there were no kids from POWER's Small Juniors on POWER's Small Seniors. POWER Small Seniors is simply the 20 best girls from POWER Large Seniors.

Bryan
Motions Coed

PS. The limit to the number of teams you can be on for POWER is two. None of those girls are on more than 2 teams for the full year!

Date: Mon Jul 3 3:57 PM, 2006

who cares how many crossovers you have? as long as people abide by the rules, who really cares what one program does?

until someone releases a book on "All Star Cheerleading Ethics" maybe we should all try to not care what another program does.

one can hope at least

Date: Mon Jul 3 3:58 PM, 2006

Weren't you guys the squad that went to the USA comp with kids younger that 12 and wanted to compete in the Worlds division but couldn't? I remember their being some sort of stink about it because I guess you guys were basicly disqualified because a coach from Outlaws busted you for having kids that were too young on the team for USA. Well, if the CA girl sat out at USA, then geat...smart coaches. I also think that USA didn't see alot of teams there because of the age rule. Are they doing the same this year?