Worlds Ages

Date: Fri May 12 6:10 PM, 2006

RE: Worlds Ages

Date: Fri May 12 6:15 PM, 2006

Fact the USASF posted their 06/07 rules and if they want to remain credible then they need to wait till next year to implement any changes that are rumored to be in the making.
As far as anyones opinons concerning young athletes on senior teams WELL try to remember folks that EVERYBODYS got an opinion but that doesn't make them right.

Happy cheering :)

Date: Fri May 12 6:21 PM, 2006

But didn't his team win the BRONZE at worlds ? Correct me if I am wrong but I think that speaks VOLUMES for his gym and I recall seeing some MAJOR tumbling talent on that team. You must be jealous or blind and lacking in score sheet knowledge.

P

Date: Fri May 12 6:22 PM, 2006

Doesn't the individule competition groups have the authority to "modify" the rules. Example, USA (last year), didn't allow teams to compete in the "Worlds Division" with kids that were under 12 years old. Think about it, the rules have not been posted for the "Worlds Divisions" for the 2007 Worlds Competition yet.

Date: Fri May 12 6:27 PM, 2006

As I understand it, they are a team made up of mostly Jrs. If he truly wasn't concerned about her, why would she be named in his letter. Even he thought that she was the only member worth calling out by name. I find this interesting and the post above has merit. I saw some good tumbling. Non that was any better then the other top 10 teams, but she was the draw and due to that, the major reason for the crowd appeal. And without her, then what?

Date: Fri May 12 6:36 PM, 2006

Why does it matter? Any of us who have seen CheerForce's teams perform know exactly who she is. She's obviously a valuable asset to his program. Why should she be able to perform at Worlds this year, and then not the next year?

And fine, if they are going to have a junior division at Worlds this coming season...but if they aren't, then it is absolutely in no way fair to those kids under 12 who competed at Worlds THIS year, and I agree that for programs that already have their teams set, this is a total inconvenience to them and makes USASF look like they don't know which way is up regarding THEIR OWN rules.

Date: Fri May 12 6:47 PM, 2006

In CheerForce we are a family, everyone who walks through our doors earns the respect of our family.....We dont think about our teams without everyone in mind so the reason she was mentioned in the letter is cause yes she would be the only one affected by this on that team this year.....By the way at worlds your right all of our tumbleing scores are about the same, it was choreography and stunts that gave us our advantage over those top 10 teams, it for sure wasnt our tumbleing cause everyone there tumbles wake up people there is more to a score sheet then just tumbleing ..... Anyway we started our season last year with 3 doubles and made it this far, so im not worried we will work as hard as we can.......
Coach Shawn

Date: Fri May 12 7:02 PM, 2006

Kiara is amazing but I am offended that anyone would think that she is the team those kids must have worked really hard to get where they got this year and its not fair to give her all the credit. What about all the bases and front and back spotters. I HAVE YET TO SEE A FLIER FLY WITHOUT A BASE(es) .

Date: Fri May 12 7:37 PM, 2006

I am curious on your website it says you are having a Tiny Level 2 I was just wondering where you guys are planning to compete since USASF only recognizes Tiny Level 1

Date: Sat May 13 2:02 PM, 2006

They will be added on to another team after they learn all the skills needed we seperate them at first to teach them exactly what they need to know with out holding the mini kids from moveing on to teach the little one something........ we have not set any teams we just practice in groups right now........

Coach Shawn

Date: Sat May 13 2:55 PM, 2006

All that i have heard is that cheerforce is only good becasue of kiara. Well my first thing on that is ok so you are telling me during stunting when she was in the back the judges looked at her the whole time when she wasn't that great of a flyer(don't take this in a negative way but flying just isn't one of her best skills) and said ok we will give them a 9 even with that bent leg. You are telling me they overlooked the 3 front girls with perfect scorpions. I saw three girls on that team in the front pull the best scorpions I have ever seen. Their legs touched their backs, their legs perfectly straight. I believe it was the little girl in the front the middle girl and the girl right by her. They watched kiara the whole time in tumbling also right. They didn't care about the other twelve doubles thrown or that other girls corner to corner pass now did they. I bet they only watched kiara in motions to, but wait she didn't do motions so they had to get a 0 in that category didn't they. I mean kiara the star player wasn't in it. Jumps she was front in center but i noticed a team,minus the stunt group in the back (you know the girl with the amazing scorpion), of triple toe back tucks with two triple toe fulls (kiara and the guy behind her). She doesn't make the team. If she was she could go out on the floor by herself and get the same score that the whole team got working together. Without the team behind her she would get nowhere in that routine. No bases to base her no other tumbling. She may be the best tumbler on the team but are you going to say that the main tumbler on top gun is the only one that makes that team. You can't place third at worlds with a one man team. To place third at worlds you need a team that works together. I think it more of a jelousy concern here. I would feel pretty bad getting beat by a ten year old. But the thing is you take her off the team then you still have to compete with one hell of a team. You have to beat their 12 doubles their triple toe tucks one triple toe full. An amazing stunt sequence, the same motions after all kiara wasn't in them, and all that good stuff. And i had a chance to meat that one boy who does the triple toe full on that team at bring it back to the bren and i saw him tumbling back stage and I'm pretty sure he can do kiara's amazing bounce back pass. He was back stage when solos were warming up and he threw whip full doubles like the were nothing. He threw whip doubles through to doubles, and yes he even threw kiara's pass minus the full double. He did whip double instead but I'm sure he can do the full double into it. I still don't know why he didn't have a harder pass in the routine i thought his punch front whip through to double was no where near his best tumbling passes. I'm sure he and the gym had their reasons. I saw their other soloist warming up also. They were all amazing. The little blonde/brown hair girl throwing doubles. They are together a great team with amazing skill. Kiara adds to the team she isn't the team and I'm sick of hearing that the only reason they win is because of kiara. I wonder why twisters didn't do as good as cheerforce when they had kiara.

Date: Sat May 13 3:55 PM, 2006

That seemed like an interesting post but half way in i got dizzy from staring at the longest paragraph ever.

Please, break it up some, punctuate, and capitalize at least the proper nouns. I really want to read it.

Date: Sat May 13 4:33 PM, 2006

No one is saying that Cheerforce is not good. The whole Cheerofece thing originated and Kiara was brought into this because the OWNER of your organizarion "cut and pasted" an email that is calling her out. No where in the e-mail did he talk about the great "young" team that he had. She stated Kiara by NAME. He never should of USED her as a pawn like he did. Take offense with the owner of the gym, not the people responding to it. Go back and read his e-mail. Who does he name ? _ _ _ _ _ .

Date: Sat May 13 5:54 PM, 2006

Relax wrote:

No one is saying that Cheerforce is not good. The whole Cheerofece thing originated and Kiara was brought into this because the OWNER of your organizarion "cut and pasted" an email that is calling her out. No where in the e-mail did he talk about the great "young" team that he had. She stated Kiara by NAME. He never should of USED her as a pawn like he did. Take offense with the owner of the gym, not the people responding to it. Go back and read his e-mail. Who does he name ? _ _ _ _ _ .

My organization? I'm not with cheerforce i would like to go there but i am two years to old to cheer on all stars anymore.

Date: Sat May 13 10:21 PM, 2006

I don't necessarily like the timing of what has happened regarding the ages for Worlds, but I do believe these changes are for the best. It is very painful short term, but these are changes being made for the long term benefit of the sport we all love!

Date: Sun May 14 9:33 AM, 2006

It wouldn't matter if you had a team of 35 .. 18 year olds or you hadn't used kiars name. The fact is that when you become sucessful people will automatically find a reason to critisize you. Its just human nature.

I look forward to seeing your next performance good luck and keep doing whatever it is you are doing.

Patrick Alex Boucher :)

Date: Sun May 14 10:12 AM, 2006

I agree Cheerforce is good. I remember seeing them at GSSA and they wowed the crowd. I also met some of the Cheerforce parents and they where one of the nicest group of people I've met at a cheer competition. I have one complaint and that is everytime I get on this message board they are on here telling everyone how great they are. If its not Coach Shawn it's another poster called Anthony. If that wasn't bad enough go to the Pro X board and it's even worse. You guys are good everyone knows it but do you have to constantly be on here to remind us. Let your accomplishments speak for you. I do wish you the best and I"m sure you'll have another awesome year.

Date: Sun May 14 10:35 AM, 2006

well sorry for posting things abotu our gym but you do know however that i'm not always talking about my gym right. I talk highly about a lot of california teams such as champion cali all stars power mavericks and all those good teams. i give them more praise then i give my own team. most of the time when i post something about our gym is when people are talking bad about it, but ok since if i say one thing about our gym its such an inconvience i wont say anything about our gym. I think my name comes up more then anyother name when it comes to cheer force considering i have a lot of posts. But in a lot of my posts im talking about other athletes not from cheer force and other gyms and ive got compliments on how unbiased i am putting no team ahead of another. and that is true. i do believe that every team has an equall chance of winning. if its a no name team or a highly known team. i just love how my name gets brought up everywhere when it comes to cheer force. but i guess i should be brought up about speaking highly of all the other cali teams too they may not be my own but i give them more props on these boards then i give my own team. but thanks for the insight i appreciate ur complaint i will just stop positng anything about cheer force maybe i should stop posting anthing about other gyms to ya know cause i dont want everyone to think that im speaking to highly of them =)

Date: Mon May 15 12:42 PM, 2006

Please find one post that says I talk about how good we are lol........ The funny part is we have a long way to go to be where I want them to be, a very long way and they know that...... I come on this board alot cause when i cheered there was a huge rivalry amongst Top Gun, Miami Elite, Georgia and cheer athletics......And i know how bad it can get so I like to make sure my kids dont get out of control and the talking about my kids doesnt get out of control either........ Whats funny is all the time I show them videos of teams that are better then them or do certain things better then them.........

Coach Shawn

Date: Mon May 15 2:07 PM, 2006

Well, I can see what that person was "trying" to say but I dont' believe you promote your gym any more than anyone else does. I do the same thing. I am proud of my gym and love what they stand for. BUT this DOES NOT mean I don't love Cheergyms because this is where we came from and have family there. So in other words, toot your horn. You have EARNED the right and if someone doesn't like it, well, that just a little "too bad" in my book. You are going to be critisized and looked at thru a magnifying glass. Unfortunately this is what happens when you make a name for yourself. Just like being in Hollywood. Things that are normal for us are in the taboids when it happens to them.