American Grand Bids

Date: Fri Mar 17 2:08 PM, 2006

RE: American Grand Bids

Date: Fri Mar 17 2:33 PM, 2006

Well a gold medal (or several gold medals) can be kept by one individual and treasured for years to come as this is a tangible object that can be displayed. A worlds bid is not a tangible object....so I guess what you are saying is that it would be OK for a few teams to hoard all of the worlds bids. I think this competition is more then that. It is a chance to see and meet the best of the best and watch routines that can be aspiring and something to work towards. I as a mother am excited at the thought of going (no matter how we got the bid) just to allow the kids on the team to make some memories that will be treaured for a lifetime(sometimes more valuable then the tangible items), I think ALL of the teams from Cali will be supportive of each other and that is another thing I think is special.....Let's Bring it on Cali....Love you all!!!!

Date: Fri Mar 17 4:12 PM, 2006

But when the bids are handed down and handed down and handed down, that defeats the purpose of "competing with the best of the best", a bid that has been handed down once, twice or three times just seems not the same to me. If you were not the best where you competed at a National Level what makes you think you are at the World level cause it was handed down to you? It just is not the same no matter how you look at it......USASF please change it!!!!!!

Date: Fri Mar 17 6:39 PM, 2006

I think we should all wait and see what happens. Sometimes wildcard spots in other sports end up doing GREAT. It's kind of a way to give underdogs a chance. I think you'll be able to tell from the scores at the end who probably shouldn't have been there, but from what I saw, the 2nd place teams were just a little less awesome than the first place teams. Second place at a tough competition is still impressive.

I do see what you're saying, but I think we should give them a chance. They could surprise everyone!

Date: Fri Mar 17 9:31 PM, 2006

I agree that it will be interesting to see how those with these "handed down" bids will do. I don't think that bids should be handed down (and I've said this before in other threads). I mean, if 4 teams compete just to get a "paid" bid, at least one already has a bid, and there's a 100 point difference between 3rd and 4th place, should that 4th place team (that is obviously out of their league) be able to go to Worlds?

I wish they would do this whole thing like gymnastics. Use a STANDARD judging system that's at least 50% merit-based and require a base minimum score. In gymnastics, even the winner of a regional may not make it to nationals if they don't have the minimum score that's required.

I get the whole thing about going for the experience, but to me it still waters down the competition. And that isn't a slam on anyone who has gotten a bid handed down to them - there are a few that I definitely believe belong there. But part of the process should include earning your right to be there based on what you put on the floor, not whether the 4 teams ahead of them already had earned bids or not.

Date: Fri Mar 17 9:43 PM, 2006

I agree that the current system isn't perfect. Remember that 2 years ago (the first year for Worlds), there was only 2 divisions, with only 8 teams in the coed and 6 teams in seniors. They've tried to expand the participation and gone a bit too far. I'm confident changes will be made for the upcoming year.

Date: Mon Mar 20 7:20 AM, 2006

Nor Cal Coach wrote:

I agree that it will be interesting to see how those with these "handed down" bids will do. I don't think that bids should be handed down (and I've said this before in other threads). I mean, if 4 teams compete just to get a "paid" bid, at least one already has a bid, and there's a 100 point difference between 3rd and 4th place, should that 4th place team (that is obviously out of their league) be able to go to Worlds?

I wish they would do this whole thing like gymnastics. Use a STANDARD judging system that's at least 50% merit-based and require a base minimum score. In gymnastics, even the winner of a regional may not make it to nationals if they don't have the minimum score that's required.

I get the whole thing about going for the experience, but to me it still waters down the competition. And that isn't a slam on anyone who has gotten a bid handed down to them - there are a few that I definitely believe belong there. But part of the process should include earning your right to be there based on what you put on the floor, not whether the 4 teams ahead of them already had earned bids or not.

i totally disagree with your first statement. first of all, LOTS of times first, second, third places are usually seperated by just a couple points.

i dont think the system is perfect yet either and i think some teams going to worlds this year are gonna get stomped on but whatever "its the experience that counts right?" california has to start SOMEWHERE

i do agree that passing down at large bids seems sort of silly but i also think it evens out some of the flaws of the whole thing.

yes worlds is great, but lets not let it turn us into crazy cheerleaders that would die for a bid.

i do agree with the gymnastics thing and i think ctc does the best job of any company in their scoring. they times the number of stunts by body posititions and count specifics for touches.. its way less general. so lots of times difficulty wins over execution and i like that.

finally you can say that these handed down bids make worlds watered down, well i think watering down is doing what jamz did and did not do highest score at all they just picked a division...

btw.. this is just my opinion, dont get all crazy on me

Date: Mon Mar 20 10:42 AM, 2006

no if you already have a gold medal and you win another one you don't give it to the next person, but...

If you qualify for the olympics and decide not to go for some reason your spot WILL be passed down to the next person...let's all just leave this alone

Date: Mon Mar 20 2:11 PM, 2006

Does anyone know if South Bay Elite has received the Bid from American Grand yet?

Date: Mon Mar 20 3:05 PM, 2006

no we have not yet recieved it. The Person from USASF is out of town. When he returns we will know :)

Date: Mon Mar 20 3:25 PM, 2006

It's not the USASF that gives the bids it is the cheer companies. Is he the one that is out of town, if so has anyone from your gym called CTC to see if there is anyone else who can get the info.?

Date: Tue Mar 21 3:51 PM, 2006

does anyone know when he comes back?!

Date: Tue Mar 21 3:59 PM, 2006

He is back and will be giving the bid out this week.

Date: Fri Mar 24 8:23 AM, 2006

cheer girl wrote:

The last day to register and pay for Michigan is today!!!!!! Hopefully American Grand will work out for you...cause Michigan looks slim!!

Really believe the way these bids are given needs to be changed......Worlds is starting to look more like a Nationals.... I would have to say that all the teams going are just not the best of the best!!!! More like, who declined what bid and who handed down this bid!! Getting CRAZY!!

I do partially agree with your posting, however I do believe that South Bay deserves to go. Can you specify which team you're from? I hope it's not cheergyms.com because these guys have shown nothing but support to our team in trying to get to Worlds.

Date: Fri Mar 24 8:37 AM, 2006

my thoughts wrote:

If a bid is given to team A and they do not want it or they have one from another company, I do not think it should get handed to someone else. At the Olympics they do not hand over golds just because someone else already got a gold!!!

Wow.. You're pretty much saying Motions shouldn't have gotten the bid @ JAMZ..

California All-Stars already had a paid bid, and it was handed down to the next team... --------------> Motions.

Date: Fri Mar 24 9:46 AM, 2006

I don't think that that person was specifically stating that Motions should not of gotten the bid, I think they were just stating there opinion, which they have the right to do.

I will say that I do think that too many bids have been given out at this point and I feel that Worlds will not seem the same as in the past. I still believe that it should be more difficult to get the bid.

Just my two cents......

Date: Fri Mar 24 10:06 AM, 2006

I think that there are a lot of teams going to Worlds, good teams in fact, especially Motions. I do not think the bids should not be handed down and down and down. Ok for the first, second and even third but when it is going to 4th place and lower, that seems nuts. Do I think Motions deserved their bid? Of course, as with all the teams, they have worked very hard all year. I have seen Nelson coach and would not expect anything less from those kids!!

Date: Fri Mar 24 11:45 AM, 2006

About my post earlier.. sorry about that. I didn't see that other post about who has bids and who doesnt. My bad!

About bids being passed down, I somewhat concur. Yes, My team has recieved a handed down bid but I also believe that if a Full Paid bid gets handed down, it should become a full paid one. That way we'd have to compete in prelims before finals. At large bids being handed down? I mostly disagree. Reguardless, I think that if an atlarge bid is going to be passed down it should be passed down to one team. The whole point of going to worlds is to find the best there is out there. Why should bids get passed down and down and down (for example, not related to South Bay AT ALL, please dont get the wrong idea) to teams that get 4th, 5th, or 6th at competitions? If a team gets 4th 5th or 6th at an average all year, and recieve an at large bid, why go?

experiences experiences experiences. But what also comes with taking a chance like this could be embarassment. (Inexistent Team Name) All Stars may be NOT MATCH for any of the teams at worlds. Maybe a little bit of deception. (Inexistent Team Name) All Stars sometimes claim to be national champions, but we all know that there are some "national" competitions that do not deserve the "national" title.

Just my thoughts and opinions,
Bryan
Motions Large Coed and Cheergyms.com All American Team

Date: Fri Mar 24 12:49 PM, 2006

i sorta agree with Bryan, but definetly dosent include SBE. I belive they deserve a bid considering they have beat teams that have recieved bids already. I think they are a good representation of California! Good luck!! hope you all get the bid

Date: Sat Mar 25 10:47 PM, 2006

Who have they beat that has a bid ? I doubt very many.