Ok, we have has posts on this board before about the parents that started jumping up and down when they have "won" seccond place, but really they had won first...i think we all remember that topic. Well, this happened again at another one of our recent competitions, only this time it wasnt the parents, it was the coaches. my team and i were sitting down during awards when another division was getting awarded, (there were about 7 teams in the division and 4 trophies) seccond place was called and all the sudden the coaches started jumping up and down and screaming...I though that there team won seccond and that they were extreamly excited...but really they had won first. I thought it was really rude of them to do that, especially because two teams didnt get awarded and they might have been one of those teams. I just wanted to know what you all thought of this. do you think it was rude? do you think they were just "supporting their team"?
I know what you mean, but look at it this way... they would have felt pretty foolish if they were wrong! They must have known based on the teams that didn't place, but I agree, they shouldn't have assumed they won. We were in a similar situation and our girls were told not to get excited until they hear their name because you never know. And coaches and parents certainly didn't either, even though we had a good feeling it would go our way. So in this case, I agree with you, it's wrong to celebrate early until you know for sure.
But when you do know for sure (say there are three teams, three placements), especially at a Nationals competition, you can't stop teams from being excited, you just can't. I would ask you to think of ANY sport where a team has realized they have won but should hold back on their excitement. I don't think it exists. It's a sport, just like any other sport.
But I agree with you when you don't know for sure and you're just making an assumption. It makes your team and your organization look quite arrogant.
Speaking of arrogance, I saw another example of this weekend. Members of a team were overheard stating how easy it will be for them to win (they dropped down a level). What a surprise it must have been for them when they didn't.
Overall I thought there were more cases of good sportsmanship than bad. Not quite like what we saw at GSSA, but close.
It's a very difficult situation. I know that we try to coach the kids at ACE to maintain composure until their name is announced. They are doing better, but it hasn't been easy. We all know how much emotion is involved at every level of cheerleading and MOST of the kids/coaches/parents aren't trying to be rude.
I am sorry if I may have offended any other teams or persons sitting near me. I was guilty of this very thing. I truly would never try to hurt another team, but we were so excited that it just happened. I personally do not find it rude when other teams celabrate an other teams second place, but I do understand where feeling may get hurt. Again I am sorry. Screaming Cheer Mom of a National Champion/
I am sorry wrote: I am sorry if I may have offended any other teams or persons sitting near me. I was guilty of this very thing. I truly would never try to hurt another team, but we were so excited that it just happened. I personally do not find it rude when other teams celabrate an other teams second place, but I do understand where feeling may get hurt. Again I am sorry. Screaming Cheer Mom of a National Champion/
I know that no team/parent/coach is necissarily trying to offend another team by screaming and being excited for your team(s). I do not mean to offend anyone or make them feel bad on this board. My team has won a national championship before, and acedad and i am sorry, i do know how hard it is to hold back. It is extreamly exciting, BUT, i did think that the coaches had the control to hold back a little when they didnt even know if they had even placed. If the team was undefeated and had a solid performance when no one else in the division did, I could see assuming that you would win first, but still not jumping up and down. The reason this is a bigger deal to me is because they were in the first row of chairs right next to the floor. So, i guess what i am saying is, if the coaches make a big deal, and they should, about respecting other teams, then why arent they as respectful? do they not realize it?
Looking Back, you are absolutely right. In theory, that is what they should do, have respect for the other teams and hold back on the excitement, jumping around, etc... until it is official. In theory. But in reality, I'm sure it's difficult for the coaches to tell the girls to refrain. I have a sinking feeling it was our girls (maybe others are thinking the same thing, that it might be theirs). If it was us, I apologize for them. But they were just so excited that it might be them running up on that stage (they had a good feeling about it). They went out there and did their best, earning first place. And maybe the coaches felt they earned the right to be excited, even though it was still a gamble because another team could have been announced (you never know what can happen at these).
I could be wrong but I just can't imagine the other teams that didn't place being upset and disappointed with us over that. I would think if they're upset/disappointed it's because they didn't have their best performance that night. We went against a few teams we KNOW are always tough competition that are just as worthy of winning first place, they just had a rough time on the stage that particular night. We've been there, believe me! So forgive us and the other teams that did the same. It was Nationals afterall, how could they not be excited? We'll work on the Ms. Manners award next season.
In Theory wrote: Looking Back, you are absolutely right. In theory, that is what they should do, have respect for the other teams and hold back on the excitement, jumping around, etc... until it is official. In theory. But in reality, I'm sure it's difficult for the coaches to tell the girls to refrain. I have a sinking feeling it was our girls (maybe others are thinking the same thing, that it might be theirs). If it was us, I apologize for them. But they were just so excited that it might be them running up on that stage (they had a good feeling about it). They went out there and did their best, earning first place. And maybe the coaches felt they earned the right to be excited, even though it was still a gamble because another team could have been announced (you never know what can happen at these).
I could be wrong but I just can't imagine the other teams that didn't place being upset and disappointed with us over that. I would think if they're upset/disappointed it's because they didn't have their best performance that night. We went against a few teams we KNOW are always tough competition that are just as worthy of winning first place, they just had a rough time on the stage that particular night. We've been there, believe me! So forgive us and the other teams that did the same. It was Nationals afterall, how could they not be excited? We'll work on the Ms. Manners award next season.
It was not team members, it was the coaches. I do understand that it is extreamly hard to do , but i was just blown away by what they did because they could have not even placed. If there are 6 teams in your division and you werent announced 2-6, i understand for being SUPER excited and possibly rude though you dont mean to be, BUT i think that there were about 7 to 8 teams in the division and there were 5 trophies givin out, then why did the coaches assume that they were not one of the non placeing teams? This is just why it had blown me away.
in reality though, if there are placements for every single team, when 2nd is announced, THAT is the moment you realize that you won 1st place. Sorry, but that's exciting. No other way to put it, when you find out you have won, you are happy. Anyone else who gets mad at that is a POOR SPORT or a POOR LOSER. Don't let your kids be THAT way either. There's manners to be learned in being a poor loser too you know. Quit whining about at which moment someone is happy about their hard earned win. Everyone out there works JUST as much as your team does and if they are happy, be happy for them instead of a poor loser.
Yea But, the previous post specifically mentioned this was a case where there were NOT placements for every single team -- five placed out of seven, so the post was pointing out the coaches automatically assumed they had won even though it could have been the other two teams.
I think a win in a situation like this should NEVER be assumed. Raise your hands if you've ever thought your team had the win only to be shocked to find out you didn't even place because of some penalties you were unaware of. I see a lot of hands out there.
Our team has celebrated early when the win is a sure thing (placement for every single team). The coaches, parents and kids are just too excited to hold back for the sake of politeness. That ain't gonna stop, sorry. In that case, as Yea But said, the 2nd place team needs to accept it, get over it, and do their best to prevent being in that situation at the next competition!
But when it's NOT a sure thing? You should NEVER assume you know what the judges have decided. Most teams don't, and I have to admit I've never seen a team/organization celebrate early who didn't end up getting first. But there's always a first time!
I know what the previous post said. I read that one too. I was talking about when there are placements of everyone. But I could have sworn I said that. Maybe I am tired.
Yea But, your point is different than the point made by the original poster. Two separate issues (celebrating knowing you won and celebrating when you're assuming you won). But I think both points have been pretty well exhausted by now.
