WOW awesome job California teams this weekend in Vegas! Congrats to Motions for their PAID bid to WORLDS! Yay! Congrats to POWER small for their bid and $5,000 and POWER lg for their $10,000. I am so proud of all the Cali Teams! Go WEST COAST at WORLDS. California LOVE
CheerIScool wrote: WOW awesome job California teams this weekend in Vegas! Congrats to Motions for their PAID bid to WORLDS! Yay! Congrats to POWER small for their bid and $5,000 and POWER lg for their $10,000. I am so proud of all the Cali Teams! Go WEST COAST at WORLDS. California LOVE
Wouldn't American get the 10,000 because POWER got a paid bid. If they did get the 10,000 then I think that is pretty wrong of JAMZ since Power already won.
OMG, I can't believe POWER got the $10,000 money and a paid bid the week before from GSSA. I think there should be some type of policy against that, especially since American actually needs the money to get to Worlds. I am not saying POWER isn't amazing, because they are, but Wow. I guess I am alone on this one. Congrats to them and winning additional money.
In the USASF.net "Cheerleading Worlds Registration Packet" states
NOTE: A gym may receive no more than one bid to The Worlds, “Paid,” “Partial Paid,” or “At Large,” for any given division. Should a team already have been awarded a bid to The Worlds, decline acceptance of a “Paid”/“Partial Paid”/“At Large” bid, or fail to accept the “Paid”/“Partial Paid”/“At Large” bid by the deadline noted, the bid may be transferred to an alternate team at the sponsoring company’s discretion.
I am also a little confused by that. But from what I have gathered JAMZ offered 1 Paid and two At Large Bids. The prize money is in addition to the bid they are not tied together. So from what I heard Power can take the $10,000 because it is prize money and not a Bid and they can pass the bid on to the next team in line which I believe is American.
West Coast All Star wrote: I am also a little confused by that. But from what I have gathered JAMZ offered 1 Paid and two At Large Bids. The prize money is in addition to the bid they are not tied together. So from what I heard Power can take the $10,000 because it is prize money and not a Bid and they can pass the bid on to the next team in line which I believe is American.
Correct. Division championship or small/large program money is completely seperate from the Worlds bids. They involve totalling up the highest scores from a particular number of your teams; the highest total wins the money. It has nothing to do with Worlds bids.
Also, just to clarify, the $10,000 program prize money may have nothing to do with the score of the team that won the bid. It's likely that a team getting a bid had the highest score of their program, but not necessarily. And even if their score did contribute to winning the prize money, other teams in their program contributed as well...to say that some other program "deserves" the prize money because Power already has a bid takes away from the other teams that helped them win that prize. The prize money is to the program as a WHOLE, not just to their teams going for bids.
Nor Cal Coach wrote: Also, just to clarify, the $10,000 program prize money may have nothing to do with the score of the team that won the bid. It's likely that a team getting a bid had the highest score of their program, but not necessarily. And even if their score did contribute to winning the prize money, other teams in their program contributed as well...to say that some other program "deserves" the prize money because Power already has a bid takes away from the other teams that helped them win that prize. The prize money is to the program as a WHOLE, not just to their teams going for bids.
Thanks for the backup. I am on here alot because I like to hear different sides of the story. I believe that alot of people are confusing the Bid and Prize money because alot of the times people get on this board without the facts and just want to start trouble. I like it when people ask legitimate questions and they get legitimate answers. I hope this cleared things up a bit for thoses questioning Power taking the money.
Thanks for the clarification. I was just confused about the prize money and the bid. I didn'trealize they were seperate. I thought they were partial bids towards Worlds. I think POWER is amazing, just looking out for American who has worked so HARD toget a paid bid. Good luck to them if they end up going.
I wonder if American interpreted the rules that way when they decided to go to JAMZ? I read the rules as "a partial paid bid" ......"At large bid + $10,000". I was apparently incorrect, but it seems an easy mistake to have made.
From what I've read from some of their posts, they were only going to JAMZ to try to get the "partial paid bid".
JAMZ could've been more clear in their written marketing and specified that it was "$10,000 for the division winner", not the "at large bid" winner.
American didn't go to GSSA because they were sure they could beat Power for the paid bid, correct? I wonder if American still would've decided to go to JAMZ if they were clear on this "$10,000 rule".
It seems to me that if Power acted ethically they would give the money to American. How selfish can you be to take it all. Why do you need $35,000? Give the money to American. On another note, why can't California Allstars taked the $25,000 for winning the large coed division and just give Motions the at large bid? I think if you get the bid you should get the money too. To take all the money is way too greedy!!
Well... wrote: It seems to me that if Power acted ethically they would give the money to American. How selfish can you be to take it all. Why do you need $35,000? Give the money to American. On another note, why can't California Allstars taked the $25,000 for winning the large coed division and just give Motions the at large bid? I think if you get the bid you should get the money too. To take all the money is way too greedy!!
That is where I believe you are confused. CA All Stars Were Competing and won their division there is no prize money for the division winner of the Large Coed only PAID bids. Everyone in that division was competing for a PAID BID. The $25,000 is tied to the bid. The $10,000 is not a PARTIAL PAID BID. Read on the JAMZ website they offered a AT LARGE BID. I am sorry If you do not understand but that is what it says.I t is a AT LARGE BID. The $10,000 is for the Division Winner read the previous Posts before you go lashing out at other teams regarding ethics
But is American going to be accepting the bid? Im pretty sure they recieved an at large bid at CHEERSPORT already...does that mean that the third place team gets the bid now? or did American not get a bid in cheersport or turn the last one down or what?
I think Jamz should give some kind of monetary consideration to American. I doubt if anybody interpreted that the money and the bid were not tied together as a partial paid bid. I thought it was bad enough that they didn't consider small coed for anything either cash or bid. I didn't go, but everything that I read about that competition leading up to the actual competition to how they handled the awards makes me glad that our gym didn't go...and pretty much guarantees they won't be going in the future. American, I hope we'll still see you at Worlds.
ethical?!?!?! hmm, I sense a little bit of JEALOUSY.
i'm sure you wouldn't be complaining if YOU were on POWER..
those girls, like every other competitive cheerlead WORKED THEIR BUTTS OFF for those bids. BOTH THEIR LARGE AND SMALL SENIOR TEAMS EARNED THEM.. FAIR AND SQUARE..
OK...NO ONE thats goes to this board that posts these comments know ONE BIT of ALL STAR cheerleading....if you did you would know that American ACCEPTED the bid from Cheersport...GET YOUR FACTS BEFORE YOU POST!!! This was meant for all "annonymous" posters that put false facts on these boards!!
Paint it any way you want it is still a crummy thing to do to take the money and run. There is no doubt that an ethical club would give the money to American!! Why take more then you need to get to World's, that is alot like rubbing people's faces in it.
The way Jamz words it on their website, it seems like the At-Large Bid and the money are tied together. It may not be a "partial bid", but it would seem like the two are given to the same team. If I took a team to JAMZ and received the AT-Large bid they advertised for in Large Senior All Girl, I would assume the 10,000 would go to my team as well, regardless of how I placed. I don't think the JAMZ ad says it would go to the WINNER of the all girl division, it just said the receipent of the AT-Large Bid. Jamz should of had the money and the Bids in 2 seperate paragraphs, because these bids are very serious to many programs. I just feel if your going to advertise a Bid and prize money together, then make it go to the same program. Power just happened to be the team that won 1st, but they received a bid the week before, so why wouldn't the prizes go to the next best team, which was American. It just seems logical to me.
C'mon, that's really unfair to Power you guys. They didn't make the rules and they have earned every last thing they have fought for this year. Try to look at all of this with reason and sensibility.
If you want to complain about the way the bid and/or the money were handed out that's fine. (Personally I think you should have done it back in May when JAMZ set their system in place but......) Just try to leave out the attacks on hard working teams and their staffs.