You tell them fierce.
Umm so Bashers. The scores are there. Ans there not taking fierces bid away soooo ummmm keep complaining.

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Bad sportsmanship is making your gym look bad! No need to bash other gyms. Its obvious fierce has a harder routine and scored higher. They are an amazing team with so much talent! California teams need to be ready to go to worlds and dominate as a state and not be poor sports and bashing eachother. We are one talented state and need to come together and get ready for the west coast to take over Florida. Fierce your bid was WELL deserved. Jamz has two amazing coed 5 teams going to represent their name, the two teams they want to represent them. Congrats to all bid winners!

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Well said and so right!  It's sad that all west coast teams can't see the bigger picture and support one another...especially when it's time to travel to Orlando.  All of these gyms have so much talent and many are still evolving.  We need to come together and represent the west coast with a united front for once...

i know, wishful thinking...  A mom can wish though right? lol  I sincerely wish all of these kids/adult team members/ parents the best.  I'm proud to be a Fierce parent and am so very proud of all of our West Coast gyms.   To the young members who post from an emotional standpoint, we respect your views and opinions.  We just ask that you post in a responsible manner. 

K...off my soap box now.  LOL

i wanted to say GOOD JOB to PCM phenomenon who had to redo their routine backstage on sunday a couple minutes before they competed

-- Edited by socalCheergirl on Monday 21st of February 2011 08:51:55 PM

Not a big fan of the jamz scoring system. I just don't think having each judge judging every category of a routine gives an accurate read of a routine. Also the lack of a scoring rubric leaves a lot of scores a mystery with the scores seeming almost random. We at vca encountered a lot of inconsistency with the judging on the four teams we brought, with virtually every judge having teams ranked differently in several divisions. Reading some of these score sheets it seems like each judge was watching a different routine. I know that in the future we won't be returning to this competition.

I have never like this comp, the scoring is strange in some divisions it's a clean routine that wins, in others it's difficulty, In some who knows what they are looking at. In some cases teams with less tumbling had higher tumbling scores than teams with more (even before any deductions).  This is one comp you never can guess the outcome.  Even if you score weird at least be consistant. Dont be so sloppy. I don't understand how teams that did better on Sat and had issues on Sun would score higher on Sunday? The awards ceremonies are ridiculous, I feel like it's the JAMZ staff showcase.  The stage should be for the athletes, it's long and just too much of a circus.

Chrisvauthority: after reading your post it does make a little more sense.  You are right no way can a judge, judge every category.  They see things that aren't even there or don't see things that are there.  This company started out as thee place for Jr All American and their scoring system shows that's where their expertise truely is. We too are never going again.

I also can't stand the venue, there are many other places that could accomodate this comp that don't give you lung cancer when you walk around to get something to eat, and it's not like you can walk next door to go eat. Amercian Grand, nice clean venue..charges less to get in.  Spirit Sports, nice clean venue charges less to get in.  Not really into Jamtastics

There is scoring rubric. It's comparable to the Varsity scoring rubric.

Here's the link to the rubric:
http://www.jamz.com/pdf/1011/1011CHAMPS_CG_ASCheer_Scoring_web.pdf

Everyone has a problem with one competition company or another and the way they score. We at Fierce have never had any problems with JAMZ. In general though (IMO) I think that all scoring rubrics out there lack consistency and fairness. I'm not sure if anyone remembers the OLD scoring rubric from Spirit Sports in year 2009 (I think? Could be 2008?) ... ? It was a complete breakdown and left no room for error or confusion. I wish I still had the printout of the rubric because it can no longer be found online. I remember for the most part, it looked like this:

(Ex: standing tumbling level 3)
MAJORITY perform standing BHS - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 7.0-8.0 range
MAJORITY perform standing series BHS - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 7.5-8.5 range
MAJORITY perform standing specialty (ie: BHS step out round off BHS tuck) - - - 8.0-9.0 range

So basically you automatically are placed into a category depending on what you perform, then scored in that catergory depending on your execution. So TEAM A, a level 3 team of 20 members, throws majority (11+) standing series BHS they can at LOWEST score a 7.5 or at highest score a 8.5. If TEAM A has bent legs or off timing, judges will score them in the lower range. If TEAM A has great timing and straight legs, judges will score them in the higher range.

I think if everything was broken down to the point like the example given above - there would be no room for questions. I would already know where my team was going to fall into before competing and that would help me put together my routine in each category.

Cea dropped and they were world champions -_______-

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Cea dropped and they were world champions -_______-

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Yes but everything else was absolutely amazing. They have the difficulty, their jumps all hit at the same time, tumbling skills, really awesome pyramid, and of course their stunts. CEA is just AMAZING.

And im not trying to say cea is fierce but i hope you get me.