JAMZ nationals in Las Vegas...February 18th thru the 20th

CHEERMOMI2 · Senior Member

RE: JAMZ nationals in Las Vegas...February 18th thru the 20th

Obsessed · Member

EnvyMe wrote:

cheergirl622 wrote:

if it had to be given to a senior team what about PCM? I heard they hit and Fierce didn't?

I personaly thought PCM looked better day 2 but im not a judge. Fierce had the higher score so they got the bid

Does PCM have a partial paid bid already?

cheerbabe67 · Member

PCM's all girl and limited team both only have an at-large bid

cheerbabe67 · Member

ANd since PCM's small limited has beat fierce at every competition where they competed against each other, I truly believe that they would have gotten that bid if they had gone.

flowergirl · Senior Member

Too bad they still have the bid! C'mon you guys lets have better Sportsmanship!
Great Job Fierce :)

lifelongcheer · Member

EnvyMe wrote:

cheergirl622 wrote:

if it had to be given to a senior team what about PCM? I heard they hit and Fierce didn't?

I personaly thought PCM looked better day 2 but im not a judge. Fierce had the higher score so they got the bid

PCM did look great, but if you really watch their routine they had a lot of missed passes and touchdowns. They also likely lack the difficulty raw score for tumbling, as their jump section is only 1 to tuck, and they have a lot of running tucks, fewer running fulls. They're a great team and all but I think it makes sense that they didn't have a higher score.

luvs2cheer · Veteran Member

Congrats to the teams with the bids! Does anyone know about 4 and the rest of the 5s can comeone post like all the placements?

Obsessed · Member

Jamz put on a great competition. Best of luck to all the teams that received the Worlds bids.

Lola · Member

I would just like to ask if PCM Fantasy woke up from this horrible dream of not getting the full paid bid? I didn't think so, neither have I. I woke up this morning thinking it was a nightmare, and then I realized it was. PCM has consistantly done great all season. Def. Fierce did not deserve nor did they earn it (my opinion). The entire competition was a joke but more like a bad joke you just can't laugh at. I just wanted to say I feel so bad for PCM and the only revenge against JAMZ for doing you wrong like this is to not return to them, and knock it out of the ball park at WORLDS. Your a Class Act PCM unfortunately JAMZ is not.

Not to take away from the bid winners, this is just my opinion. I am not looking for responses or comments. I just wanted PCM to know you have alot more supporters than you might think out there. keep up the Great Job Fantasy.

CaliCheerWatcher · GURU

lifelongcheer wrote:

EnvyMe wrote:

cheergirl622 wrote:

if it had to be given to a senior team what about PCM? I heard they hit and Fierce didn't?

I personaly thought PCM looked better day 2 but im not a judge. Fierce had the higher score so they got the bid

PCM did look great, but if you really watch their routine they had a lot of missed passes and touchdowns. They also likely lack the difficulty raw score for tumbling, as their jump section is only 1 to tuck, and they have a lot of running tucks, fewer running fulls. They're a great team and all but I think it makes sense that they didn't have a higher score.

I agree fierce had better tumbling but PCM had better stunts (IMO)

SuzyB · Veteran Member

Lola wrote:

I would just like to ask if PCM Fantasy woke up from this horrible dream of not getting the full paid bid? I didn't think so, neither have I. I woke up this morning thinking it was a nightmare, and then I realized it was. PCM has consistantly done great all season. Def. Fierce did not deserve nor did they earn it (my opinion). The entire competition was a joke but more like a bad joke you just can't laugh at. I just wanted to say I feel so bad for PCM and the only revenge against JAMZ for doing you wrong like this is to not return to them, and knock it out of the ball park at WORLDS. Your a Class Act PCM unfortunately JAMZ is not.

Not to take away from the bid winners, this is just my opinion. I am not looking for responses or comments. I just wanted PCM to know you have alot more supporters than you might think out there. keep up the Great Job Fantasy.

Fierce always, always,always does well at JAMZ. Just wait until Worlds,and then we will see who comes out ahead. One thing about Worlds (in my opinion) is I agree with how they judge. Congratulations to all bid winners whether they were paid in full or not.

love2werk · Newbie

lifelongcheer wrote:

EnvyMe wrote:

cheergirl622 wrote:

if it had to be given to a senior team what about PCM? I heard they hit and Fierce didn't?

I personaly thought PCM looked better day 2 but im not a judge. Fierce had the higher score so they got the bid

PCM did look great, but if you really watch their routine they had a lot of missed passes and touchdowns. They also likely lack the difficulty raw score for tumbling, as their jump section is only 1 to tuck, and they have a lot of running tucks, fewer running fulls. They're a great team and all but I think it makes sense that they didn't have a higher score.

WHERE DO YOU GET YOUR INFO??

PCM does THREE jumps to a tuck and in their running tumbling section NO ONE does a tuck? they have 2 layouts the rest are fulls and they have 7 running doubles!! they also have 4 standing handsprings to doubles i think there tumbling is pretty amazing in FIERCE jump section they do 1 more jump before their tuck thats it i feel bad for pcm they get screwed over every year they easily get an at large but never get a paid they are too good to not get a paid bid they have been placing top 15 at worlds the last 2-3 years

ALSO on day two they had NO touchdowns i think you were watching a different team

-- Edited by love2werk on Monday 21st of February 2011 03:41:23 PM

QuEeNoFcHeEr · Newbie

JAMZ are at a loss they'll regret it at worlds

lifelongcheer · Member

PCM did look great, but if you really watch their routine they had a lot of missed passes and touchdowns. They also likely lack the difficulty raw score for tumbling, as their jump section is only 1 to tuck, and they have a lot of running tucks, fewer running fulls. They're a great team and all but I think it makes sense that they didn't have a higher score.

WHERE DO YOU GET YOUR INFO??

PCM does THREE jumps to a tuck and in their running tumbling section NO ONE does a tuck? they have 2 layouts the rest are fulls and they have 7 running doubles!! they also have 4 standing handsprings to doubles i think there tumbling is pretty amazing in FIERCE jump section they do 1 more jump before their tuck thats it i feel bad for pcm they get screwed over every year they easily get an at large but never get a paid they are too good to not get a paid bid they have been placing top 15 at worlds the last 2-3 years

ALSO on day two they had NO touchdowns i think you were watching a different team

-- Edited by love2werk on Monday 21st of February 2011 03:41:23 PM

I may have been, I was watching wish, is that the right team? In which case I only saw 1 jump to a tuck, a lot of roundoff tucks in the opening, a missed pass coming from the right to left and touchdowns during the jump section.

I don't care, I don't cheer for either team... everyone was just talking about how flawless they were and how stupid jamz was and I was pointing out a possible reasoning.

cheergirl622 · GURU

PCM's Small Senior 5 team is called Fantasy. pretty sure Wish is their Senior Open 5 All-Girl

lifelongcheer · Member

cheergirl622 wrote:

PCM's Small Senior 5 team is called Fantasy. pretty sure Wish is their Senior Open 5 All-Girl

Okay, then I was talking about the wrong team. They did look great day 2. But jamz bids were based on a day 1 and 2 combined score... So maybe their falls and touches from day 1 had their combined score too low even though they had a higher 2nd day score?

Either way, both teams were great and I don't think its right to call any team undeserving or regrettable of a bid.

pompommom · Veteran Member

Congrats to OC Allstars open 6, you girls rocked the house!! First all girl open 6 team in the USA this season to get a bid to worlds!!! Wahoo!!! Also I have to shout out to our Jr 4 Red team, you girls are amazing and left me in tears on day two. I love you!! One more shout out and this goes to CF Nfinity....WOW. I cannot even express how awesome this team is. I gave a standing ovation as my jaw dropped onto the floor in awe. That team is unbelievably talented and so exciting to watch!!! Good luck to you this season!!!! :)

CHEERMOMI2 · Senior Member

lifelongcheer wrote:

cheergirl622 wrote:

PCM's Small Senior 5 team is called Fantasy. pretty sure Wish is their Senior Open 5 All-Girl

Okay, then I was talking about the wrong team. They did look great day 2. But jamz bids were based on a day 1 and 2 combined score... So maybe their falls and touches from day 1 had their combined score too low even though they had a higher 2nd day score?

Either way, both teams were great and I don't think its right to call any team undeserving or regrettable of a bid.

Thank you for being the voice of reason and for posting in a positive manner. The snipes are getting old.

Congratulations to ALL bid winners! All of these teams are talented and are deserving of their bids.

lifelongcheer · Member

Thank you for being the voice of reason and for posting in a positive manner. The snipes are getting old.

Congratulations to ALL bid winners! All of these teams are talented and are deserving of their bids.

Lol... I just get sick of all of the bashing. It's one thing to be disappointed about your team and another to say what a mistake it was for another team to win. It's poor sportsmanship. They were both great teams and I think people forgot it was a scoring combination. I'm sure fierce is excited nonetheless but no need to diminish their celebration.

Is fantasy going to any other bid comps?

Fierce Coach · GURU

I'm choosing to respond to this becuase of all the negative posts.

FACTS:
(Scores listed are the final combined score of day 1 (40%) and day 2 (60%) :

California SMOED limited coed 5 - 94.07
Fierce limited coed 5 - 92.77
Power international all girl level 5 - 92.63
Desert Storm Elite international open coed level 5 - 92.19
Connect AS limited coed 5 - 91.65
PCM Fantasy small all girl 5 - 91.62

You have to take into consideration that there's two days of competition and two scores to factor in. Pretty much all of these routines have the same elements and skills in them - the team who executes to the judges opinion BEST will end up with the highest scores. Next thing it comes down to is a numbers game. For example: Jump sequence had to be performed by a super majority (70%) with a variety of jumps to flip. Standing and running tumbling needs to be peformed by a majority (standing series to fulls/doubles, running combos to fulls/doubles). If you dont break majority you will not be scored in the top tier. Meaning on a small team of 20 members, 11 of those members need to execute the required elements to be scored in the highest range. And then most importantly, is how well each and every skill was executed!!!!

If anyone is to compare routine to routine you have to base your comparison off the judges score sheet. Your personal opinion is just what it is - your personal opinion.

Obviously the bid run was very close and nobody was perfect both days. Congrats to all bid winners!