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Post Info TOPIC: Opinions on Worlds?
LiL kLu!!

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RE: Opinions on Worlds?


yeah i know this is WAY off topic in this intense conversation BUT i just had to say ... I LOVE AMAC!!!! =D

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Amac

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Lil Klu... I LOVE YOU TOO!

Interesting.... I dont think you have to try to get the rest of the team to share the attitude. If you have a gym that you're kids LOVE TO BE AT, I think it just SPREADS! If you have a couple of strong leaders on a team who lead by EXAMPLE as opposed to with WORDS.. Once others start to see the improvement they catch on. I just used those 5 as an example, but they are DEFINITELY not the only kids from that team that put in extra hours. It was an example of how kids dont have to spend a lot of money on extra classes and privates and still improve. Open Gym is only $5! (wink, wink.... Tuesday and Thurday nights) As for parents.. Yeah some work all the time and can't drive, so we have kids pick up other kids, parents pick up other kids, it works out somehow! And if they absolutely can't come in, they just have to work that much harder in the 5 hrs 15 min that they HAVE to be there.

Good Luck this year to all the teams!!!

I LOVE MOTIONS!

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cory

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amac youre so funny(wink,wink), i think i got the hint...

i love motions 2!

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cheerleader

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You make a lot of sense because worlds is on a Level 5 skill level an dit wouldn;t really work if you had a bunch of youth teams. Even though I know and love the youth I coached myslef but come with the competetion as become the way it has it true. THe only way to get anywhere and make it in worlds is to cheer 5-6 days a week almost 24/7. YOu have to be on that level 5 to even comepte for a bid so why go out there with a lot of youth teams that could kick some but if they reall wanted and disappoint them. It maksed more sense that these teams from Texas , Georgia and Maryland do nothing else and just cheer. It doesn't matter if the all the rouitnes look the same because are routine look the saem with the same idea. You can see here in Cali how the each team flows with a jump section, motions, tumbling, dance and stunt. THeir rouintes may look the same but I didn't one end with a stunt like all of us here in Cali. I have to agree with you one fact the competition as gotten really tense and firece and that it's how it is.

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moi

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Interesting wrote:

Not a rebuttal but just some thoughts...


6. Shut down the youth teams? Are you serious? There is your FUTURE of your gym!!! Those are the ones who can be taught more, faster and sooner. Those are your assets!!! Never drive the little ones away. And if you don't have a youth team, you are soooooooo missing out on your future!!! And dads do care, by the way.





I think the words from the post you are responding to were -



6) Ask the youth cheerleading programs if they will just shutdown. Until they go away you'll always have the Dad weighing his options. Uhhhhhh $2500 for a 12 month program that has mandatory practices orrrrr $600 for a 4 month program that is inferior in every way but he doesn't know it nor does he care.





YOUTH PROGRAMS not youth teams (ie; Pop Warner, PAL, city or county rec. departments)

All the posts since then have focussed on ending youth teams in an All Star gym - NOT, I think what the original author intended.

If yer gunna complain - make sure ya know whut yer complainin' about!


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Interesting

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I realized what that person was saying when you pointed it out to me.... and then I was smiling cause I thought you were making a "polite" point to me that I thought you meant the youth teams within your gym...

THEN I read " If you are going to complain, know what you are complaing about" (sorry for the corrections but I wanted to put it in english so everyone can understand) and my heart dropped. That was so not nice. Thanks for putting me down when I was trying to just participate in the message board. I didn't know nasty was what we were being....

I will be sure not to post again. Sorry for offending you and others with my thoughts...



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Bryan (B)

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On a lighter note...

Amac has a good point. Its the same with every sport, come to think of it. You've got to want it and want it bad. Gymnastics was the same way-- your coaches don't tell you what needs to be done in order to be the best. all they do is tell you how to do yuor gymnastics right. Similar to cheerleading, you've got to push yourself harder than your coach does beasue your coach isn't winning the national title, you are.

I come to the gym as much as I can to get better at anything. I just started Motions recently and I can tell that my teammates want it bad.

Also on the note of coming to the gym as much as I can, I work 5-6 days a week, cook dinner for myself on occasion, get my chores done, run errands and drive myself to cheer whenever I feel-like/can. You couldnt really tell me that it isnt manageable unless you live 45 minutes- 1 hour away from your gym. I would know, I have lived that far from a gym before.

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Froling's

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Thanks Bryan for throwing that last bit in about the 45 min to an hour drive!! It is true that alot of people would give anything to be at the gym 5 days a week, but due to the drive, just can't get there as often as they'd like. I would hate for people to judge the dedication of kids based on time spent in the gym. I think AMac hit the nail on the head...there are so many ways to show dedication!! My kids are practicing at home alllll the time!!! I know that there are kids traveling from all different areas in the Bay Area, even though they have local programs, to be part of Cheergyms......and for all of you who have ever practiced with Nelson, I would have to say that shows dedication within itself!!!

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Suggestion

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Just make sure that no one is tumbling or stunting outside of the gym!!! There's a reason why the floor is cushioned!!! One wrong move and your season is over before it even had a chance to begin!!! If anyone wants to see what you can do, bring a camera to practice or come to the competitions!!!

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Cheer Mom

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Thanks to someone for bringing up the driving issue. My daughter wanted to be a part of cheergyms so badly we are driving an hour each way--sometimes longer if traffic is bad. So dedication, can't be measured by just time physically spent at the gym.


I love reading these message boards! Lots of great viewpoints out there.

PS Loving our cheergyms experience!!! Keep up the great work to all the cheergyms teams and coaches!!



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Froling's

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I agree with what you're saying about NOT stunting and tumbling where the kids can be hurt. What I was saying about the kids practicing at home was in regards to stretching and conditioning, which all kids should be able to do safely. There is ALOT you can do outside of the gym to further your skills that don't include tumbling and stunting. All in all, I have never seen kids work harder and be more dedicated than these Cheergyms kids....we really love being a part of their program!!

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moi

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Sorry, Interesting for making you feel bad - it really wasn't meant to be that way (certainly NOT nasty) There were many posts following that line of thought - not just yours so it wasn't intended to be quite as personal as you took it.

It's difficult to read these messages when over and over again (not just in this teams vs programs instance) folks comment on previous messages without trying to really understand what the first poster meant and sometimes get entire threads going in the wrong direction and it does sometimes get nasty (or at least a little cranky) when the original post was not! (and yes, I know I could just not read them and then it wouldn't irritate me ;0) )

I hope you post again - it would be silly not to just because someone (who you don't know and who you have no particular reason to respect) said something that offended you. Take a step back and be the bigger person - and enjoy the message boards.

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Nor Cal Mom

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So we have seen and heard that there is a definate style difference between California teams and the Texas and Eastern US teams. Does that hurt the Cali teams (for Worlds) by being so different, or is it something that the Cali organizations are sticking with purposely to be our own style and stand out that way?

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cheer fan

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Well I don't know the exact answer for that but I do know that, from having watched the cheergyms teams at Dallas last Feb., even though some of the southern/eastern teams had INCREDIBLE full squad tumbling, the California teams with their innovativce choreography were more fun to watch!!

I guess that's why the gyms stress tumbling skills so much... can you imagine if we had the great choreography from Nor Cal AND the full squad fulls??? whoa!!

Keep working hard cheerleaders!

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B Money

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Ok, so Cali needs some work on tumbling skills. Getting back to the issue of setting goals, today I noticed a poster at the Pyramids gym (while loading up the trucks for Camp at the Maritime Academy) and it had 3 sections. Goals for camp, goals for sumemr jam, and goals for competition season. On this sheet there were goals like "get a full" or "get a layout." I even saw a "get a back handspring."

Do you think that having these such goals puts pressure on athletes or do you believe that is puts too much stress on? Perhaps you think that is it a good way to step up for competition or maybe even motivate the rest of your team. What do you think?

Is this a good way to get ready for worlds?

"The whole experience is rising to the challenge every time. You never know what might happen. You might be talking to the future world champion. " -Damon Hill


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lor

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i love the goals poster! because it gives me a deadline so that i dont procrastinate. dont get me wrong, i am not going to set a goal to get a standing full if i dont even have a standing tuck... but i like the constant reminder to push myself and improve myself for the team.

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Curious

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If you don't have goals, what are you working for or towards??? Goals in life are a must!!!! Posting them doesn't put anyone under any pressure. It's just a reminder....

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confused

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I didn't realize that Power and Gymstars were the harder teams to beat. hmmm....

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Confused

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That last post was referenced to the post from Cheerleader who stated that a team getting the Worlds bid from JAMZ wouldn't be as deserving as say a team who got the bid from NCA. True Gymstars and Power have good teams but there are teams equally as good as those two gyms who attend JAMZ. That was my point.

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Anonymous

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If teams from the West Coast are going to be competitive at WORLDS level we need the following.

1. Standing Tumbling
a. Jumps into tucks – flawless in execution, not hiding several non tuckers in the back
b. Jumps into front tucks – flawless in execution
c. Standing two back handsprings to fulls (numerous 10+), not one!
d. Standing fulls – almost every team at worlds had members throwing them male and female

2. Pass Tumbling - Layouts or fulls don’t cut it
a. Multiple specialty passes into fulls
b. Double Fulls
c. Specialty into front tumbling skills
d. Timed group passes into specialty into fulls +

3. Stunts – this are is the one area where West Coast teams can compete
a. Combination trick stunts – stretch to scorp to scale clean doubles out of them
b. Not having every group with front spots, or even your standard 4 man stunt groups

4. Pyramids – Need to be more creative and difficult
a. Power and American had two of the better pyramids at worlds, but most of the west coast is stuck in the up down and then hit kind of pyramids. Step it up if you want to have a shot

5. Jumps
a. West Coast jumps stink across the board
b. Sting Ray, Spirit of Texas and Georgia make West Coast teams look like bad youth football teams

6. Choreography
a. We lack in skills so much that our chorography is limited and behind the rest of the country.
i. Other teams have things going on all the time even during transitions so the action never stops.
ii. We are lucky enough to have the skills we do so we don’t have extra kids to spare to take the focus off transitions, that for the most part are boring, etc

Lets get real. It is great to say we got to WORLDS, and now this year it should be easier for some teams to slip in because they do go to some Janky Competition with only a few good teams there, and get a bid. Just the truth! Why are we settling to say we got to WORLDS? We should want to have a shot at being at the top there!

Fact – Few teams on the West Coast will be good enough to get to WORLDS by not having the overall skills needed.

Fact – more teams will be looking at going to competitions that give bids to worlds as their choice of travel trips. I heard POWER is going to JAMZ and CTC in Vegas, and have dropped other competitions such as Spirit Sport just because they aren’t offering bids. I assume more highly competitive programs around the country are doing the same, why not; a FREE trip to Florida is at stake.


The next two items go hand in hand, if one area applies to your program/team rethink how you, your team, or program is doing things! Continued comments from these types of teams/parents/members gets old, put it on the floor where it should be, and go from there.

Fact –You can’t say a program is highly competitive if they don’t field a single level 5 team. They may be competitive at their respective level 4 and below, but if they were highly competitive program they would step it up to level 5 and compete against the big dogs, provided they have the skills to be there.

Fact – Flip side - To field a level 5 team or ALL level 5 team(s) when your overall skill level(s) are not indicative of it, is ridiculous on the owner/coaches part. Sure you can look good in Nor Cal, and say we have all level 5 teams (Wahoo!), but step out of our little protected area (called Nor Cal) and get beat, and beat bad. Look at the level 5 teams from Nor Cal who went down to CTC in Anaheim, how many won or placed second? (Provided there were more than 4 teams in that division)

We need to start looking at what we can do to make our region better
1. Why do some programs work on competition routines in June when your skills are not up to snuff, why not develop kids skills and then work on routines late in the summer / beg of fall. Programs that don’t work the skills have the same problem every year, sure they know their routine in October/November, but the kids never improve the skill level from year to year

2. Too many programs promise the moon to individuals. Suzy you can come to my team and fly and tumble, where as if you went to XYZ gym you would be just part of the mix and assured of nothing because everyone else is just as good as Suzy. Then Suzy cheers with that team never to place above 3rd and never be pushed to improve her individual skills because no one on the team or at their gym is as good as her. Wasted another year and wasted more money!

3. Parents need to commit or don’t commit (not all but a few of you) If you are going to do competitive cheer then do it, but don’t mix in soccer, high school cheer, dance, vacations, etc. Those parents that do this and then complain because Suzy is not progressing fast enough, well dugh! How do you expect her to get better? You whisk them off to Piano right after practice, you leave no time for classes and/or privates to better their individual skill because you pack their lives with too much stuff, then you complain when the highly competitive competitions come about that “the team is not as far along as you would like to see”, SERIOUSLY! OF course this is only a few and not the mass, but it is those kinds of parents/kids that skew the teams progression. You committed parents know what I am talking about

4. Finally, have your program go to quality competitions where there is competition. I am sooooo Sick of hearing “we are National Champions” because they went to the Podunk Nationals and competed against one team or none, Who Cares? So you are saying that that one trophy cost your team $1500.00, it would have been cheaper to go buy a trophy for each one of your members, oh and hey why not a jacket while your at it. You can use your own team name and call it your team name nationals If you want to get better you have to see what is out there, so do your kids, and so do your parents. Sure a feel good competition is good once and a while, but to do it competition after competition, year after year? This is COMPETATIVE cheer not REC!!!


These are just my thoughts, I know I probably ruffled a few feathers, but hey this is the anonymous board!! All I ask is to think about it!


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