so what gyms have what teams?

cheercop · Member

RE: so what gyms have what teams?

Beeis4Becca · Veteran Member

nevada elite does not have small senior

our teams: (i believe)
mini 1 or 2
senior 2 (open maybe?)
small senior 3
small senior 4
junior 5
small coed 5
intl coed 5

watupdawg · Veteran Member

Is Cali's Youth team level 3 or level 4? I've heard both...

Anonymous0101 · Veteran Member

Does anyone know how One Athletics is doing this year? I know they have lost alot of numbers (in both kids and coaches) this season. I hope they continue to shine

Wilson · Member

I also see on their website they are going to Jamfest but do not see them on the schedule. ?

CHEERMOMI2 · Senior Member

Just wondering...I know that Cali has a Small Jr 4 team. Fierce has a Small Coed Jr 4 team. Does anyone know of any other gyms in the southern cal area that has a Jr. 4 team???

I'm also a little confused about which gyms are going to which comps and when. Where are all the gyms that normally compete? If I relied on postings alone it looks like our kids will be competing against 1 or 2 teams and I know that's not the case.

Where the heck is everyone? Don't say Fierce Boards because like me most switch back and forth. LOL HELLLLLOOOO???? HAHA

Anonymous0101 · Veteran Member

Wilson wrote:

I also see on their website they are going to Jamfest but do not see them on the schedule. ?

You're right......wonder what's going on? Maybe they aren't ready? On another note, looks like JamFest has very slim pickings on the Level 5 end...

AlexInWonderland · Veteran Member

AirborneOwner wrote:

I also agree with the no crossovers from Open 5 to a Worlds 5 team, I truly believe that this is a building skills division and I really hope it does not get like that. I am pretty sure up in Nor Cal their is only one program that has a Senior Open 5 and another level 5 team in the program. I am not sure if they cross kids over. Can't wait till all of the fun begins!!!

They definitely cross them over biggrin

Anonymous0101 · Veteran Member

That's is why Open 5 is a joke.....

POSITIVElycheer · Senior Member

Though I do not agree with crossovers at this level try to remember to the athletes that are on an open 5 and only an open 5 this division is no joke.

Anonymous0101 · Veteran Member

Agreed, but there is far to many cross overs in this division which has truly taken away the TRUE intent of OPEN 5
.

p.o.k. · Veteran Member

I agree this is no joke for athletes trying to become full fledged level 5 athletes. However if you are talking about open teams with 8 to 9 crossovers as in other posts on these boards suggest, then for a small team you are talking about almost 50% of the team. This might as well be a level 5 team.

AirborneOwner · GURU

Anonymous0101 wrote:

Agreed, but there is far to many cross overs in this division which has truly taken away the TRUE intent of OPEN 5
.

So after seeing one team in the area with crossovers you say that the intent of the division is taken away? Just because they choose to use crossovers does not mean that others will. The other programs up here that have Senior Open 5 do not another level 5 team so how can they misuse it?

justacheerkid · Senior Member

I think that's exactly the point. When filling a Senior Open 5, a gym with out another level 5 will use their level 4 or level 3 athletes.

A gym that has other level 5 teams will fill it with other level 5 athletes. Maybe it's more of a large gym vs small gym issue. Even if that's the case with just a few of the palcements, it's a huge advantage. I don't know the answer but this division will be all over the place. They won't be the only team that does it, it's not against the rules.

AirborneOwner wrote:

Anonymous0101 wrote:

Agreed, but there is far to many cross overs in this division which has truly taken away the TRUE intent of OPEN 5
.

So after seeing one team in the area with crossovers you say that the intent of the division is taken away? Just because they choose to use crossovers does not mean that others will. The other programs up here that have Senior Open 5 do not another level 5 team so how can they misuse it?

Anonymous0101 · Veteran Member

justacheerkid wrote:

I think that's exactly the point. When filling a Senior Open 5, a gym with out another level 5 will use their level 4 or level 3 athletes.

A gym that has other level 5 teams will fill it with other level 5 athletes. Maybe it's more of a large gym vs small gym issue. Even if that's the case with just a few of the palcements, it's a huge advantage. I don't know the answer but this division will be all over the place. They won't be the only team that does it, it's not against the rules.

MY POINT EXACTLY.....WELL STATED justacheerkid.

AirborneOwner wrote:

Anonymous0101 wrote:

Agreed, but there is far to many cross overs in this division which has truly taken away the TRUE intent of OPEN 5
.

So after seeing one team in the area with crossovers you say that the intent of the division is taken away? Just because they choose to use crossovers does not mean that others will. The other programs up here that have Senior Open 5 do not another level 5 team so how can they misuse it?

MyTake · Senior Member

It will be interesting, thats for sure. I think the open level 5 teams will be a combination of worlds caliber level 5s and athletes not quite ready for worlds, right? It sounds like that is what the team at Jamfest consisted of. Just because a gym doesnt have a level 5 team it doesnt mean they dont have worlds caliber level 5 athletes on their open level 5 team; they just dont have enough to field an entire team.

p.o.k. · Veteran Member

I know it is not against the rules, but it has the look and feel of stacking team with disregard to the intent of the division. Since it is not against the rules, then gyms should be upfront about cross overs. In past years when my daughter was on lower level teams it was very disheartening to see the over use of higher level athletes on, for example, level 2 teams. You could always tell, the way a back hand spring would be performed on the floor. I am not referring to fill ins for injury or sickness. Since you tend to see the same teams many times over in a region during a competitive season you can start to count all the cross overs.

Just to be clear filling in an open level 5 team with non level 5 athletes is a totally different strategically than filling a team with athletes that can throw doubles.

lvchralways · Member

Due to the economy, I know our gym uses crossovers so that we could make competitive teams. Some of you are acting as if it is okay to fill the teams with lower level kids but not with higher level. What does it matter. A level skill, is a level skill. A kid with a double, also has a full, which is all they can throw in the open division anyway. A level 5 kid can only throw a back handspring in level 2, just like everyone else in that division. We actually have level 2 kids that throw better back handsprings than some of our level 5's. Each gym just tries to put the best team out there that they can. If that means using crossovers, which is LEGAL, then let them.

p.o.k. · Veteran Member

I do think it is different when lower level kids fill in on higher level teams. Don't kid yourself. I know it is legal and I am not disputing that - gyms should just be up front about the whole situation. I feel for those kids who may meet with a stacked team several times over a season. Just a note: no I do not have a child on an open team and our gym does not have an open team. I would just like to see divisions used for their intent - I know I am a dreamer but you can always hope can't you.

POSITIVElycheer · Senior Member

hmmm. . . let him who has not used cross-overs to their advantage please throw the first stone.

(crickets chirping)

-- Edited by POSITIVElycheer on Tuesday 10th of November 2009 04:22:25 PM