Junior Division at Worlds 2010

murrietamom · Veteran Member

RE: Junior Division at Worlds 2010

ACEDAD · GURU

beofgoodcheer wrote:

I would love to see Worlds truly be an international competition where teams from every country, including the US, compete in every division across the board.

That's essentially what the International Cheer Union competition that was held on Friday before Worlds was all about. One team represented the country in each division.

http://cheerunion.org/content.aspx?id=23

Danny · Senior Member

murrietamom wrote:

that is what I meant about percentage. Even if they only do a percentage of US teams. It just seems unfair for a country to be represented by 32 teams and only 3 make it. Even if just a third of the teams made it that would be 10 teams. Then the competition would be just that, a competition.

I think it's time to get rid of the bids, make it an open to everyone who believes they're level 5 and let everyone perform 2 days. I mean who are we kidding here anyways? It's obviously heading that direction. Why wouldn't it? I'm not being sarcastic. I'm being realistic. Enough already.

MrCommentary · Veteran Member

THIS MESSAGE IS NOT TO PUT ANYONE DOWN...I'M JUST STATING MY OPINION AND SPEAKING FOR OTHER'S THAT I KNOW FEEL THE WAY I DO...PLEASE READ THE WHOLE MESSAGE BEFORE YOU RESPOND OR COMMENT.

I think it is pretty ridiculous that so many gyms out there put on their flyers and in advertising for their gym that they have 5 national titles in one year and qualified for worlds, etc. etc. It seems like the sport went from having those "elite" gyms being idolized and looked up to because they held one or maybe two national titles with a true hard-working bid to worlds. It also made for the smaller gyms working even harder to get to that level and win a title and hopefully get a bid to worlds as well. I agree with Danny when he mentioned that we are heading in the direction of no longer needing a bid to get to worlds. It seems that soon anyone and everyone will be attending worlds. Remember when worlds was truely the "best of the best" and a smaller competition. Senior level teams were the only ones there and it was truely an honor to get there. Since other divisions were added and since worlds got bigger and bigger, more and more companies started holding these "national" championships and as a result we have like five to ten national championships in many states! All of this goes hand in hand so what i'm saying is that it needs to start with worlds. If only Senior level teams are allowed to compete at worlds then the competition will indeed reduce in size. This will help start a chain in events including limiting the "national" championships in different states (remember this is my opinion). I remember years ago when USA was really the only national championship in California. NCA was in Texas (and still is) and UCA was and still is in Flordia. Yeah there were other companies out there and they kind of just filtered in different states (JAMZ, Jamfest, America's best, etc.). If rules start getting implemented, maybe a law could pass that only TWO nationals can be held in each state and companies would have to bid or request which states they want to hold there's in. They can still have championships like west coast championships, the california championships, the east coast finals...etc, etc. But the national titles (as well as bids) would be limited. Teams already travel out of state for nationals (JAMZ in Vegas, Cheersport in GA, NCA in Texas, etc. etc.) so a limitation on state nationals isn't going to hurt that bad. I just think everything would fall into place if this was all done (a chain reaction). But then again it's just my opinion.

CheerChick08 · Senior Member

Im Glad Juniors Are Allowed At Worlds This Year and Im Excited For Semi Limited

cheerboyyy · Member

ImJustSaying wrote:

cheerboyyy wrote:

murrietamom wrote:

If they are going to include the juniors are they going to be able to receive paid bids? That is sort of cruel to say you have earned the right to go but you can't attend due to the fact that you can't afford it. Especially for the teams that travel cross country to get there. Also I wish they would change from only 3 teams from each country to a percentage of teams from each country. Countries that bring only 3 teams get to see all 3 of them advance (100%). Countries, like the US, that had 32 in the Sr. International division only saw 3 teams advance (10%). Seems unbalanced.

i agree! it should be just like other divisions. i think in every division, including the ones not international, all countries in the world can compete in it. for example if there was a team from...new zelend? and they had a team that was large senior they should be able to compete in that division...its their true division. and if not it shouldnt be top 3 or a percent of teams going to finals in international it should be just like every other division just because youre from another country doesnt mean you should auutomatically make it pretty much! they always end up being the bottom teams anyways. they dont deserve to go to finals if they dont get a good ranking at prelims.

-- Edited by cheerboyyy on Thursday 21st of May 2009 05:35:18 PM
As for the International teams, I kinda see what you are saying, BUT if I was traveling all the way from China, I know I would like to see my team perform BOTH days. To far to travel to see my team perform 2 1/2 minutes on one day and be done. But, I think it should be a percentage rather than 3 teams from each country moving on to Finals. There are to many U.S. teams that are really good that can't move to the next day because of this rule.

i see what you mean. but still if they arnt good enough to make day 2 then why should they be able to go? just because you have a bid doesnt mean you have to go....if they think they are good enough then yeah travel to the u.s and come but dont be to dissapointed if you dont make day 2

PowerXtremeBaby · Veteran Member

Well I'm kind of on the fence:

I think they should allow juniors this year, and take it out next year.

Here's my reason why:
Since the age grid has changed the past two years, 10 to 11, then 11 to 12, I know a lot of girls who would be right at that age to do a senior team, but then the age grid changes again and they're set back another year. Where if they hadn't changed the rule they would be allowed to be on a senior team. There was a girl who was on our Junior 5 team last year, and she had a three to double and a whip to double, awesome flyer, but she was exactly at the age where they changed the age two years in a row! She should have had the opportunity to be on a senior team, but with the age change, she shouldn't.

Well now that this is the last year they're raising the age (right?) They should take juniors out next year, so those girls who got stuck in that stupid age grid limbo still have a chance at worlds when they should have had the chance on a senior team.

I do think it's kind of ridiculous that so many teams go that you practically don't need a bid. At some competitions, teams in 18th, 19th place were getting at-larges because the other teams in the division already had one. I think they should reinstate the Full-Paid goes to finals automatically rule.

BladezCoach · Veteran Member

PowerXtremeBaby wrote:

Well I'm kind of on the fence:

I think they should allow juniors this year, and take it out next year.

Here's my reason why:
Since the age grid has changed the past two years, 10 to 11, then 11 to 12, I know a lot of girls who would be right at that age to do a senior team, but then the age grid changes again and they're set back another year. Where if they hadn't changed the rule they would be allowed to be on a senior team. There was a girl who was on our Junior 5 team last year, and she had a three to double and a whip to double, awesome flyer, but she was exactly at the age where they changed the age two years in a row! She should have had the opportunity to be on a senior team, but with the age change, she shouldn't.

Well now that this is the last year they're raising the age (right?) They should take juniors out next year, so those girls who got stuck in that stupid age grid limbo still have a chance at worlds when they should have had the chance on a senior team.

I do think it's kind of ridiculous that so many teams go that you practically don't need a bid. At some competitions, teams in 18th, 19th place were getting at-larges because the other teams in the division already had one. I think they should reinstate the Full-Paid goes to finals automatically rule.

GREAT POINT.

Cfierce · Senior Member

I'm, glad, they're letting the junior division happend at the 2010 worlds, :)

It wouldn't be the same idk :)

I would have missed

Cells,
Starlites
cheerathletics

AirborneOwner · GURU

ya but that is what NCA is for.

legendbabe08 · Veteran Member

I think if they are going to alllow junior teams at wrlds, then companies need to split up the bids like they do with international.. comming from a senior team, it just sucked having to split up bids with junior teams lol it honestly did. partly because we never got a chance to watch jr 5 teams (like at competitions like spirit sports) so we would never know how the bids would be divided and handed out. i think they should have a (small) set amount of bids for international, then one for juniors, and one for seniors.

CAPheebersMom · Member

PowerXtremeBaby wrote:

Well I'm kind of on the fence:

I think they should allow juniors this year, and take it out next year.

Here's my reason why:
Since the age grid has changed the past two years, 10 to 11, then 11 to 12, I know a lot of girls who would be right at that age to do a senior team, but then the age grid changes again and they're set back another year. Where if they hadn't changed the rule they would be allowed to be on a senior team. There was a girl who was on our Junior 5 team last year, and she had a three to double and a whip to double, awesome flyer, but she was exactly at the age where they changed the age two years in a row! She should have had the opportunity to be on a senior team, but with the age change, she shouldn't.

Well now that this is the last year they're raising the age (right?) They should take juniors out next year, so those girls who got stuck in that stupid age grid limbo still have a chance at worlds when they should have had the chance on a senior team.

I do think it's kind of ridiculous that so many teams go that you practically don't need a bid. At some competitions, teams in 18th, 19th place were getting at-larges because the other teams in the division already had one. I think they should reinstate the Full-Paid goes to finals automatically rule.

I bet I know who your talking about..... biggrin

-- Edited by CAPheebersMom on Tuesday 26th of May 2009 12:01:50 AM

Itstime2cheer · Newbie

MrCommentary wrote:

THIS MESSAGE IS NOT TO PUT ANYONE DOWN...I'M JUST STATING MY OPINION AND SPEAKING FOR OTHER'S THAT I KNOW FEEL THE WAY I DO...PLEASE READ THE WHOLE MESSAGE BEFORE YOU RESPOND OR COMMENT.

I think it is pretty ridiculous that so many gyms out there put on their flyers and in advertising for their gym that they have 5 national titles in one year and qualified for worlds, etc. etc. It seems like the sport went from having those "elite" gyms being idolized and looked up to because they held one or maybe two national titles with a true hard-working bid to worlds. It also made for the smaller gyms working even harder to get to that level and win a title and hopefully get a bid to worlds as well. I agree with Danny when he mentioned that we are heading in the direction of no longer needing a bid to get to worlds. It seems that soon anyone and everyone will be attending worlds. Remember when worlds was truely the "best of the best" and a smaller competition. Senior level teams were the only ones there and it was truely an honor to get there. Since other divisions were added and since worlds got bigger and bigger, more and more companies started holding these "national" championships and as a result we have like five to ten national championships in many states! All of this goes hand in hand so what i'm saying is that it needs to start with worlds. If only Senior level teams are allowed to compete at worlds then the competition will indeed reduce in size. This will help start a chain in events including limiting the "national" championships in different states (remember this is my opinion). I remember years ago when USA was really the only national championship in California. NCA was in Texas (and still is) and UCA was and still is in Flordia. Yeah there were other companies out there and they kind of just filtered in different states (JAMZ, Jamfest, America's best, etc.). If rules start getting implemented, maybe a law could pass that only TWO nationals can be held in each state and companies would have to bid or request which states they want to hold there's in. They can still have championships like west coast championships, the california championships, the east coast finals...etc, etc. But the national titles (as well as bids) would be limited. Teams already travel out of state for nationals (JAMZ in Vegas, Cheersport in GA, NCA in Texas, etc. etc.) so a limitation on state nationals isn't going to hurt that bad. I just think everything would fall into place if this was all done (a chain reaction). But then again it's just my opinion.

I agree with you 100%! If worlds was reduced by not allowing junior teams, then there wouldn't be so many bids needed to be given out. Fewer nationals too would be better so that teams can really feel they are truely a NATIONAL champion!

Danny · Senior Member

Nelson wrote:
Yes, Youth 5 teams should go to Worlds. So should Mini 5 teams. And Tiny 5 teams. And Parent teams. And Senior 2 teams. And Youth 3 teams. And Junior 1 teams.

We should open it to everyone. It's only fair.

And everyone should be able to get a bid. A paid bid.

And everyone should get a globe trophy. And a ring. And perform twice.

And I nominate that Eric Little does everyone's dances. Everyone's.

This says it all really. In a way that only Nelson can use sarcasm.

PowerXtremeBaby · Veteran Member

CAPheebersMom wrote:

PowerXtremeBaby wrote:

Well I'm kind of on the fence:

I think they should allow juniors this year, and take it out next year.

Here's my reason why:
Since the age grid has changed the past two years, 10 to 11, then 11 to 12, I know a lot of girls who would be right at that age to do a senior team, but then the age grid changes again and they're set back another year. Where if they hadn't changed the rule they would be allowed to be on a senior team. There was a girl who was on our Junior 5 team last year, and she had a three to double and a whip to double, awesome flyer, but she was exactly at the age where they changed the age two years in a row! She should have had the opportunity to be on a senior team, but with the age change, she shouldn't.

Well now that this is the last year they're raising the age (right?) They should take juniors out next year, so those girls who got stuck in that stupid age grid limbo still have a chance at worlds when they should have had the chance on a senior team.

I do think it's kind of ridiculous that so many teams go that you practically don't need a bid. At some competitions, teams in 18th, 19th place were getting at-larges because the other teams in the division already had one. I think they should reinstate the Full-Paid goes to finals automatically rule.

I bet I know who your talking about.....

-- Edited by CAPheebersMom on Tuesday 26th of May 2009 12:01:50 AM

haha you probably do, she's amazing! haha.

cheerboyyy · Member

PowerXtremeBaby wrote:

CAPheebersMom wrote:

PowerXtremeBaby wrote:

Well I'm kind of on the fence:

I think they should allow juniors this year, and take it out next year.

Here's my reason why:
Since the age grid has changed the past two years, 10 to 11, then 11 to 12, I know a lot of girls who would be right at that age to do a senior team, but then the age grid changes again and they're set back another year. Where if they hadn't changed the rule they would be allowed to be on a senior team. There was a girl who was on our Junior 5 team last year, and she had a three to double and a whip to double, awesome flyer, but she was exactly at the age where they changed the age two years in a row! She should have had the opportunity to be on a senior team, but with the age change, she shouldn't.

Well now that this is the last year they're raising the age (right?) They should take juniors out next year, so those girls who got stuck in that stupid age grid limbo still have a chance at worlds when they should have had the chance on a senior team.

I do think it's kind of ridiculous that so many teams go that you practically don't need a bid. At some competitions, teams in 18th, 19th place were getting at-larges because the other teams in the division already had one. I think they should reinstate the Full-Paid goes to finals automatically rule.

I bet I know who your talking about.....

-- Edited by CAPheebersMom on Tuesday 26th of May 2009 12:01:50 AM

haha you probably do, she's amazing! haha.

whooo?! or ateast what team

cheerboyyy · Member

telling the truth i just wanted juniors to go again so that celebrity can win and air force one can win :) well if they deserve it that iss....

GR82Cheer · Member

I absolutely understand where you are coming from, in the Olympics we see this same sort of age discrimination. Truly - I think this is not to punish the younger children rather it's to protect them physically and keep them in age like peer groups. JMO - the hard thing (being a mom of a younger cheerleader) is keeping them interested and inspired having they reached success at such an early age.

Good Luck!

ANONYMOUS PERSON · Member

Well it is out, usasf just changed the whole jr division at world's, which is dumb. How dare them, they lean towards the other countries, but not so much towards the US teams. In which that is where they get all their money to run worlds. How dare them!!!

cheeeer · Veteran Member

ANONYMOUS PERSON wrote:

Well it is out, usasf just changed the whole jr division at world's, which is dumb. How dare them, they lean towards the other countries, but not so much towards the US teams. In which that is where they get all their money to run worlds. How dare them!!!

I missed something! What's out? What's the change? I don't know what you're talking about.
I do know that everyone pays money to help run worlds. Not just the junior teams.
Wow.