Junior Division at Worlds 2010

GAVEITALLUP4CHEER · Veteran Member

Junior Division at Worlds 2010

cheerwatcher · GURU

Nelson wrote:

ACEDAD wrote:

Jr5MOM wrote:

The level should determine if the kids should go to worlds not their age, that's why it's called the best of the best "worlds" based on skills not age, what does age have to do with anything anyways? The Jr kids are anticipating and waiting on somthing, being on a Sr team. Skill should determine if the kids should go to worlds not their age. To throw the hardest skills at age 10 and not be able to fo to "worlds" because of their age? Come on!

Ok, I'll ask you: should the Youth 5 teams be able to attend Worlds? If so, why?

Yes, Youth 5 teams should go to Worlds. So should Mini 5 teams. And Tiny 5 teams. And Parent teams. And Senior 2 teams. And Youth 3 teams. And Junior 1 teams.

We should open it to everyone. It's only fair.

And everyone should be able to get a bid. A paid bid.

And everyone should get a globe trophy. And a ring. And perform twice.

And I nominate that Eric Little does everyone's dances. Everyone's.

HAHAHAHAHA. Thats too funny.

On another note, I too dont believe that worlds should be open for Juniors. Think of it as any sport "you have to progress to get to the big league" right? Trust me, I see first hand that the juniors are some of the hardest workers in the gyms, however, their time will come. I highly doubt that your children would work so hard at practice to progress in their skills and (the parents) spending thousands of dollars each year to just yank them out because they cant go to worlds!

Not to mention that if your gym has a top notch Junior 5 team and they practice together years prior to becoming of "senior age", just wait until it's their turn at worlds! They will dominate just because of their experience with one another!

At my previous gym, the little girls (Tinys) started cheering at the same age and worked their way up each division. Trust me, they were one of the closenit, hardworking and dominating group of girls I had ever seen. They had several years together to practice with eachother. I am a firm believer that you don't have to rush your children to grow up before their time. This allows them to grow up in a gym looking up to the senior girls and they can dream about them traveling to worlds ... when its their time. Not as a 9 year old.

Their time will come ..... smile

trust me.

codismom · Veteran Member

I agree that there should not be junior teams at World's. I am a big believer in giving kids something to work for and something to look forward to.

I disagree with the other posts that said if kids were not allowed to go to World's they would get burned out before they could be on a senior team. I feel the exact opposite is true, in fact. I feel if you allow a child to go to World's on a junior team at age 9 then they no longer have anything to look forward to and are MORE likely to burn out. They would have already "been there, done that". My daughter has been doing All Star cheer since she was 6 years old. She is now 14 and is going to World's for her first time. I would not have wanted her to go any earlier and honestly, would have loved for it to have waited another year or two. I am a huge believer in pacing the kids and allowing them to have things to look forward to rather than giving them everything at an early age.

cheeeer · Veteran Member

cheerperfectionist wrote:

I also think the Senior Division should be Freshman-Seniors in High School, and the Junior Division should be Middle School, and Youth be Elementary School. It makes it more fair and something to look forward to as you not only move to a different grade/school but to a more advanced team.

I think they have a cheer organization that fits those age guidelines. It's called Jr. All American. wink

cheeeer · Veteran Member

Jr5MOM wrote:

The level should determine if the kids should go to worlds not their age, that's why it's called the best of the best "worlds" based on skills not age, what does age have to do with anything anyways? The Jr kids are anticipating and waiting on somthing, being on a Sr team. Skill should determine if the kids should go to worlds not their age. To throw the hardest skills at age 10 and not be able to go to "worlds" because of their age? Come on!

-- Edited by Jr5MOM on Wednesday 22nd of April 2009 08:05:09 PM

Have you heard of the Olympics? You have to be a certain age to compete. It's something every talented young athlete looks forward to. So if your child isn't old enough, they can practice even more to get even better and when they reach the senior age (which is only 12), they'll get to go to worlds.
And I don't agree with cheerleaders burning out. I believe the opposite.... they never want to quit. Look at all of the Open Level 6 cheerleaders we have. They didn't just start cheering, they just don't want to stop. Did i make any sense?

MyTake · Senior Member

I think thats a good example (Olympics); Im sure there are many young athletes who have the skills but not the age (and then there are those who claim to have the age and really dont, but thats a different issue).

But I have to agree with the difference in dedication and commitment between juniors and seniors because Ive seen it year after year. Our junior teams are always at every practice, and give 100% with limited distractions and other social commitments, whereas thats usually not the case with our senior teams, especially towards the end of the season. Less drama with our junior teams too. Just my observation.

cheerboyyy · Member

okay im not reading all of these...but what so it has to be speacial your first time going to worlds? because there are teams out there where only their junior team goes to worlds... youth should be allowed to go too. or else it is not worlds... some people will never be able to go to worlds if they do this. i know ill never be able to go not because of my age or my level but because of my location and situation and i know that when youre a junior and you go for the first time its still gonna be amazing...its not gonna ruin anything? we dont want to wait....some teams are just handed a bid while others who deserve to go and work our asses off cant because of stupid little things...

i think this should not be decided by the parents or coaches or boaard people but by the cheerleaders them selves!

ACEDAD · GURU

cheerboyyy wrote:

okay im not reading all of these...

i think this should not be decided by the parents or coaches or board people but by the cheerleaders them selves!

If you're really passionate about your position, you really should take the time to read all TWO pages to get both sides.

I'll be glad to let the cheerleaders make the decisions on this...just as soon as the cheerleaders are paying all the bills.

In any case, the final decision will be released tomorrow, so we'll all know the 2010 answer then.

beofgoodcheer · Veteran Member

ACEDAD wrote:

cheerboyyy wrote:

okay im not reading all of these...

i think this should not be decided by the parents or coaches or board people but by the cheerleaders them selves!

If you're really passionate about your position, you really should take the time to read all TWO pages to get both sides.

I'll be glad to let the cheerleaders make the decisions on this...just as soon as the cheerleaders are paying all the bills.

In any case, the final decision will be released tomorrow, so we'll all know the 2010 answer then.

Well said!

cheerboyyy · Member

not trying to be rude or anything but noo...not when we start paying the bills. that doesnt even make sense. its not even legal...it should be up to us not the board people...even parents say let them go. its retarded there is no point in taking it out. whats it gonna do? i mean go ahead take them out of certain things during worlds but NOT competeing there....

ACEDAD · GURU

cheerboyyy wrote:

not trying to be rude or anything but noo...not when we start paying the bills. that doesnt even make sense. its not even legal...it should be up to us not the board people...even parents say let them go. its retarded there is no point in taking it out. whats it gonna do? i mean go ahead take them out of certain things during worlds but NOT competeing there....

Making a point in opposition to what I say isn't being rude, so don't worry about that. Just take your time and make your point as clearly as you can. That's how the boards work when they're working well.

With that being said, I don't understand what you mean about "it's not even legal"? You'll have to explain that one a bit.

One minor note: I would prefer you not use the word "retarded" in that manner. I know it's just "one of those things" all the kids say today and you really don't mean anything by it, but it's incredibly hurtful to many people.

I still believe that Worlds should have remained a senior level competition. I haven't seen a good argument for including juniors yet.

GAVEITALLUP4CHEER · Veteran Member

I hope JR teams remained at worlds and I can't wait for the decision... Good Luck JRS!

JMO- all the people who think they should not be there....all I can say is

I hope my JR puts the matrix on you (LOL) wink

ACEDAD · GURU

Juniors and Junior Coed are both worlds divisions for 2010. Semi-Limited Coed has been added.

Full listing here:

http://www.usasf.net/news/?id=164

LadyW · Senior Member

HUmmm and a Junior Open Dance category -- that should be interesting.. Better I think for the international teams. I know some of those teams that were stuck in international and senior jazz were a lot younger teams going up against older more mature girls.

Coed HH -- HURRAY -- Its tough dancing HH as an all-girl team against teams with guys in it...

-- Edited by LadyW on Thursday 21st of May 2009 08:12:20 AM

diamond13athleticgirl · Member

I am so glad that they are including Jr athletes in the World's Competition. The hard work of these devoted athletes should and will be showcased.

murrietamom · Veteran Member

If they are going to include the juniors are they going to be able to receive paid bids? That is sort of cruel to say you have earned the right to go but you can't attend due to the fact that you can't afford it. Especially for the teams that travel cross country to get there. Also I wish they would change from only 3 teams from each country to a percentage of teams from each country. Countries that bring only 3 teams get to see all 3 of them advance (100%). Countries, like the US, that had 32 in the Sr. International division only saw 3 teams advance (10%). Seems unbalanced.

Cheer Sista · Member

i HONESTLy WOULD LiKE TO SEE JR. 5 AT WORLDS iTS GOOD TO BRiNG SOMETHiNG NEW iN!!!!!!

cheerboyyy · Member

murrietamom wrote:

If they are going to include the juniors are they going to be able to receive paid bids? That is sort of cruel to say you have earned the right to go but you can't attend due to the fact that you can't afford it. Especially for the teams that travel cross country to get there. Also I wish they would change from only 3 teams from each country to a percentage of teams from each country. Countries that bring only 3 teams get to see all 3 of them advance (100%). Countries, like the US, that had 32 in the Sr. International division only saw 3 teams advance (10%). Seems unbalanced.

i agree! it should be just like other divisions. i think in every division, including the ones not international, all countries in the world can compete in it. for example if there was a team from...new zelend? and they had a team that was large senior they should be able to compete in that division...its their true division. and if not it shouldnt be top 3 or a percent of teams going to finals in international it should be just like every other division just because youre from another country doesnt mean you should auutomatically make it pretty much! they always end up being the bottom teams anyways. they dont deserve to go to finals if they dont get a good ranking at prelims.

-- Edited by cheerboyyy on Thursday 21st of May 2009 05:35:18 PM

ImJustSaying · Member

cheerboyyy wrote:

murrietamom wrote:

If they are going to include the juniors are they going to be able to receive paid bids? That is sort of cruel to say you have earned the right to go but you can't attend due to the fact that you can't afford it. Especially for the teams that travel cross country to get there. Also I wish they would change from only 3 teams from each country to a percentage of teams from each country. Countries that bring only 3 teams get to see all 3 of them advance (100%). Countries, like the US, that had 32 in the Sr. International division only saw 3 teams advance (10%). Seems unbalanced.

i agree! it should be just like other divisions. i think in every division, including the ones not international, all countries in the world can compete in it. for example if there was a team from...new zelend? and they had a team that was large senior they should be able to compete in that division...its their true division. and if not it shouldnt be top 3 or a percent of teams going to finals in international it should be just like every other division just because youre from another country doesnt mean you should auutomatically make it pretty much! they always end up being the bottom teams anyways. they dont deserve to go to finals if they dont get a good ranking at prelims.

-- Edited by cheerboyyy on Thursday 21st of May 2009 05:35:18 PM

As for the International teams, I kinda see what you are saying, BUT if I was traveling all the way from China, I know I would like to see my team perform BOTH days. To far to travel to see my team perform 2 1/2 minutes on one day and be done. But, I think it should be a percentage rather than 3 teams from each country moving on to Finals. There are to many U.S. teams that are really good that can't move to the next day because of this rule.

beofgoodcheer · Veteran Member

I would love to see Worlds truly be an international competition where teams from every country, including the US, compete in every division across the board.