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YouDownwitCGC · Veteran Member

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YouDownwitCGC · Veteran Member

AND..... ELECTRA from NCE.. SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN 3rd!!!!!! if im looking at correctly.. take their score from the mini division and put it in sr coed 4.. and they are in 3rd!!!!! just great that they didnt get anouced.... even when they went on stage and he annouced all the teams in the division he didnt annouce them!

GAVEITALLUP4CHEER · Veteran Member

MyTake wrote:

It looks like they really messed up the Nor Cal teams. Electra is their Sr Coed Level 4, and if that is really their score, they should have been in 3rd place instead of Pace? Im confused, but I hope they sort this out because its getting to be embarassing for IALC, wouldnt you say?

Not to mention they have them in the MINI LEVEL 1 division!!!!

YouDownwitCGC · Veteran Member

EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!

they also have athena our sr open 3 listed with our jr 2 team and it says they tied with bullets as 1st but scores dont match..... when really they should be 7th in sr open 3.. they did an amazing performance id say it was the toughest division there

cheerforlife08 · Veteran Member

this IALC comp sure made a lot of mistakes. but give them a break, its their first competition. but they do need to make sure that everything is order though before they post it. because posting it pretty much says this is the final order and everything. just hope they do better in the future.

AirborneOwner · GURU

cheerforlife08 wrote:

this IALC comp sure made a lot of mistakes. but give them a break, its their first competition. but they do need to make sure that everything is order though before they post it. because posting it pretty much says this is the final order and everything. just hope they do better in the future.

I disagree, they should not of made this many mistakes no matter if its your first time running a regional or a national event. With so many divisions messed up how can we believe that the competition is valid and how can I believe the results of the other divisions. I just can't believe they had this many issues. Making the excuse that they are a first year comp is just that, an excuse. To think that the directors of this comp dont have experience is wrong, they all host competitions at the national level and this should not of happened. Case closed.

Fun2Cheer · Veteran Member

cheerforlife08 wrote:

this IALC comp sure made a lot of mistakes. but give them a break, its their first competition. but they do need to make sure that everything is order though before they post it. because posting it pretty much says this is the final order and everything. just hope they do better in the future.

Nice of you to look at the glass as half full but come on. These are veteran cheer companies putting on what was supposed to be a first class event. I wasn't even there and it just sounds like a complete joke of a competition. I'm glad I decided to hold out for the first year and see how it played out before deciding for next season. Sounds like I didn't miss anything!

MyTake · Senior Member

Will anyone trust them enough to give them a try next year? They had a chance to make this a first class event that even more gyms would want to participate in next season and they messed up badly. I would like to see some kind of public apologies, and posting the correct results would be nice too. I feel bad for all the gyms that were impacted by their incompetence.

cheerstoya · Senior Member

MyTake wrote:

Will anyone trust them enough to give them a try next year? They had a chance to make this a first class event that even more gyms would want to participate in next season and they messed up badly. I would like to see some kind of public apologies, and posting the correct results would be nice too. I feel bad for all the gyms that were impacted by their incompetence.

Nope, won't try them at all. At the amount of money given to these competition companies, they need to make it right the first time you lay thousands of dollars down. Just my take on it, but each to their own.

YouDownwitCGC · Veteran Member

AirborneOwner wrote:

cheerforlife08 wrote:

this IALC comp sure made a lot of mistakes. but give them a break, its their first competition. but they do need to make sure that everything is order though before they post it. because posting it pretty much says this is the final order and everything. just hope they do better in the future.

I disagree, they should not of made this many mistakes no matter if its your first time running a regional or a national event. With so many divisions messed up how can we believe that the competition is valid and how can I believe the results of the other divisions. I just can't believe they had this many issues. Making the excuse that they are a first year comp is just that, an excuse. To think that the directors of this comp dont have experience is wrong, they all host competitions at the national level and this should not of happened. Case closed.

hey nicole .. i totally agree with you.. this was supposed to be an "ALL-Level WORLDS" and have some sort of an worlds feel to it.. i know it wont compare to level 5 worlds but there is no excuse for the to have the huge mistakes like scoring and posting results wrong... its one thing to run behind at a comp and not have a great venue but SCORING and POSTING RESULTS COME ONE!!!!

North County Elite · Newbie

The Competition definately had a weird scoring system. Many people thought we should have placed. I would like to hear honest opinions of what place we should have recived (Senior Open Level 3).

goTIDE · Member

whatchagonnado wrote:

wow01 wrote:

okay so even if that was the way they were scored, backdraft had two people a boy and a girl eat in in there standing handsprings in the intro, and a whole stunt fell and the others were very wobbly,plus jumps were gross this is not just for this divison neither ALL divisons were judged poorly riptides teams got ripped,nce teams got ripped,cheerforce got ripped, SOO back to my poing the judging was very POOR!

I'm sorry but Nor Cal, cheerforce and Riptide did not get "ripped". Your routines are simply not as good as the other teams - I was there and i watched. Clean up your sloppiness, stop having 8 years olds on your youth 3 try to be provocative by doing shimmy shoulders and sticking their tongues out at the audience when they finish their passes (so inappropriate!), and get some real choreography!

umm i would like to just point out before you put Riptide in that category, first we dont have a youth 3 team we have a half year youth 1, second of all NONE of our kids stick their tongues out at the crowd when they land their tumbling passes.. i should know, i helped come up with their pose for when they land their tumbling, and if you want to talk about real choreography just look at our coed 4 routine... and tell me why everyone congratulated us when we got off the floor telling us what a great routine we have.. so before you make digs about teams, make sure you specify who you are talking about.. and yes, Riptide did get ripped.. in almost every division.

xpressjag · Senior Member

Actually, Worlds, NCA , USA and UCA nationals have all had scoring and placement issues in the past. Yes, Varsity ran the event, but they are not perfect by any means. Mistakes will happen and there is no perfect system. The best way to correct these issues is write a letter to the IALC administration.

I am not upset at the mistakes made, but their needs to be a STRONGER check and balance system before scores are posted. Someone needs to double check all scores and the head judge needs to see placements before they are announced to the general audience.

-- Edited by xpressjag on Wednesday 15th of April 2009 07:46:20 AM

Momsmagnet · Newbie

Thank you goTIDE.

I dont know how many of the other teams parents and coaches came up to us and told us that we did great both days and said we should have placed the first day. The second day when our teams went on we had quite a few of the other teams up front with us cheering our team on. Isn't that what it is all about not all of this team bashing that is going on.

-- Edited by Momsmagnet on Wednesday 15th of April 2009 08:12:08 AM

MyTake · Senior Member

xpressjag wrote:

Actually, Worlds, NCA , USA and UCA nationals have all had scoring and placement issues in the past. Yes, Varsity ran the event, but they are not perfect by any means. Mistakes will happen and there is no perfect system. The best way to correct these issues is write a letter to the IALC administration.

I am not upset at the mistakes made, but their needs to be a STRONGER check and balance system before scores are posted. Someone needs to double check all scores and the head judge needs to see placements before they are announced to the general audience.

-- Edited by xpressjag on Wednesday 15th of April 2009 07:46:20 AM

These mistakes seem to be more than your average, and this was not supposed to be just another competition. Maybe you would be upset if your gym was impacted. I take it yours was not? The scoring by the judges is one issue, but the scoresheets, I just dont get it. Is it that hard to keep them all together in the correct division? Heres an idea, maybe staple them together? Paper clips?? You get the impression either the ones in charge didnt care or they were completely inexperienced. Both are unacceptable.

RiptideAllStars · Veteran Member

So, did anyone notice that they actually did change the placement order in Senior Open Level 2?? In a previous post, I mentioned that the event director told us that they would hire another judging panel to review the division and then "call us" to let us know the results.

At competition, they announced the top as:
1- SoCal
2- Power
3- SVC All Stars
4- Fusion
5- Riptide

Now it's listed as:
1-SoCal
2-Power
3-Riptide
4-Fierce
5-Fusion
6-SCV

No, they never called us, and we still don't have a trophy, and our season's over, so half of our kids don't even know they finished in top three...

Did this happen to anyone else in any other divisions???

JudyLove · Newbie

Many people did not even receive a trophy that placed Top 3 at this competition. I know they told our team that they would send it in the mail because they ran out.

Let's see how long that is going to take...

cheerforlife08 · Veteran Member

after reading the entire post(i only read the first couple pages) i realized that this comp made more mistakes than i thought. they need to get their act together. you guys are right. no comp should ever make this many mistakes.

MyTake · Senior Member

Looks like they posted a new results page, they still dont have it quite right but its closer. They decided Titan Elite and Airborne tied for first place, and the same for Nor Cal Electra and Pace tying for 3rd place because of a "tabulation error". I guess stating "misplaced the scoresheets" would be too much for them to reveal.

sandiegolove · Newbie

Just for a little clarification on the score sheets since no coach has posted about this yet!

There were no additional deductions for dropping stunts or falling on tumbling. At a regular competition, dropping a stunt is usually an extra pentalty of 1 point and touching on tumbling is .5 off the final score. In addition to this deduction, you get points taken off for execution, but at the judges descretion.

Because this competition left it up to the judge to decide how much the fall would deduct from the stunting section, it was very subjective. A fall could be anywhere from 0 to 5 or more points off of the section. It really depended on the mood of the judge and how distracted they were when it happened. On the positive side, if your routine was great and the fall was a minor slip up in the entire 2:30 routine... it might have seemed fair to you.

Usually a stunt falling would take you out of the running for top placements. This competition was obviously not like that. When my coaching staff inquired to the head judge about the lack of additional deductions, he was appauled. We were not asking him to add them in, simply wondering why they did not have them. That reaction left us a little puzzled!

Any input on if they should add these deductions next year?

Also... anyone notice the link to the scores does not work now? Just another "little bug"? All the youtube videos have been taken down too. Varsity suddenly doesn't allow you to post youtube videos even though NONE of the other competitions (owned by varsity) AND the worlds ones have been deleted. Very curious about this...