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scorpion · Member

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drealovesdanny · Veteran Member

scorpion wrote:

It's called timing and better tumbling

wore saying that about the video that I posted?

GAVEITALLUP4CHEER · Veteran Member

whatchagonnado wrote:

wow01 wrote:

okay so even if that was the way they were scored, backdraft had two people a boy and a girl eat in in there standing handsprings in the intro, and a whole stunt fell and the others were very wobbly,plus jumps were gross this is not just for this divison neither ALL divisons were judged poorly riptides teams got ripped,nce teams got ripped,cheerforce got ripped, SOO back to my poing the judging was very POOR!

I'm sorry but Nor Cal, cheerforce and Riptide did not get "ripped". Your routines are simply not as good as the other teams - I was there and i watched. Clean up your sloppiness, stop having 8 years olds on your youth 3 try to be provocative by doing shimmy shoulders and sticking their tongues out at the audience when they finish their passes (so inappropriate!), and get some real choreography!

Only a PERVERT would think an 8 year old is trying to be provocative, you need to get some counseling for looking at little girls that way. Dang I think I'm ashamed for you!

MrCommentary · Veteran Member

cantbelieveit wrote:

So i agree Cheerforce, Nor Cal and Riptide did not get "ripped" BUT i do however think Fame Athletics did, does anyone agree?

I totally agree with you on this one. Looking at the videos FAME was AMAZING!!! I think they did get ripped and should have placed. I haven't seen the cheerforce video yet (anyone have it?) but Nor Cal and riptide, sloppy transitions and wobbles and timing issues on stunts, well it's hard to say they got ripped. Don't get me wrong they did good but I can't say they got "ripped" or even "robbed."
Congrats to everyone at the all-level worlds. Already hearing tho that some teams will not be returning next year, and some will be doing the U.S finals in Vegas instead!!!

RiptideAllStars · Veteran Member

...but Nor Cal and riptide, sloppy transitions and wobbles and timing issues on stunts, well it's hard to say they got ripped. Don't get me wrong they did good but I can't say they got "ripped" or even "robbed."
Congrats to everyone at the all-level worlds. Already hearing tho that some teams will not be returning next year, and some will be doing the U.S finals in Vegas instead!!!

Which Riptide team are you talking about? We had 5 there... just wondering which one you're referring to...

CaliCheerWatcher · GURU

Changed my mind! I said cheerforce didn't get ripped off but after watching the youth 3 videos they did! I didn't see the other team that didnot place so IDK if they did, but cheerforce youth 3 hit and cheer central suns dropped their pyramid. So, I'm not sure how they placed above them :/

CaliCheerWatcher · GURU

I can't edit I'm on my cell phone but I forgot to say I don't think cheerforce should have won. Just cheer central suns should not have placed that high JMO

MyTake · Senior Member

MrCommentary wrote:

cantbelieveit wrote:

So i agree Cheerforce, Nor Cal and Riptide did not get "ripped" BUT i do however think Fame Athletics did, does anyone agree?

I totally agree with you on this one. Looking at the videos FAME was AMAZING!!! I think they did get ripped and should have placed. I haven't seen the cheerforce video yet (anyone have it?) but Nor Cal and riptide, sloppy transitions and wobbles and timing issues on stunts, well it's hard to say they got ripped. Don't get me wrong they did good but I can't say they got "ripped" or even "robbed."
Congrats to everyone at the all-level worlds. Already hearing tho that some teams will not be returning next year, and some will be doing the U.S finals in Vegas instead!!!

Fame had a hands down tumbling mistake, would that count as more of a deduction than a fall out of a stunt? I dont know Im just asking. I didnt feel they were amazing but they were definitely entertaining and like others in the division more deserving of a placement than the selections the judges made. But thank goodness they got 1st place right, I hope Knight continues to do well in the video placements.

Good call on the US Finals, it will be very interesting to see how that goes. I have no idea how many teams are attending, but that might make a difference (less teams, less issues, less things that can go wrong) but its another option we will have next year, and even though I hate the idea of having two competitions for "best in the world", in this case it might be good we have another choice for next season.

p.o.k. · Veteran Member

Hey now the only team in Sr Lg Open 3 that was amazing was Knight Time. Yes Backdraft had a mistake, but so did all the other teams in this division, or the tumbling was off or not maxed, or their choreo. was just not as interesting, or overall there was sloppiness. This was an execution score so I guess the mistake with the rest of their execution was good enough for second. Backdraft has a very good track record this season, they do max out the score sheet - everyone needs to watch the video again with open eyes. Stop trying to cause drama. How many of you, honestly, have lost to teams that seem to make mistakes in your eyes - including dropped stunts etc. Time to move on and stop whining. Why is it always easier to complain about things that are out of your control, such as judging - which in this sport will always be subjective - than working on things you can control such as execution? I guess it is all about the controversy!

MyTake · Senior Member

Thanks to 2008CheerFan we can all look at the videos ourselves with open eyes, and the more we look at the videos the more we realize there was something seriously wrong with the judging, and not just with this division. Its easy to say lets just move on and accept that this will always be an issue with our sport, but some of us prefer to point out the mistakes hoping there will someday be changes and SOME kind of accountability. At least we are all in agreement that the only team that deserved to win in this division won.

Cheerz08 · Member

CaliCheerWatcher wrote:

cantbelieveit wrote:

So i agree Cheerforce, Nor Cal and Riptide did not get "ripped" BUT i do however think Fame Athletics did, does anyone agree?

Nope, i dont think any of these 4 teams got "ripped" as you guys would say. I guess i can kind of see what you mean by cheerforce if senior 3 is what you are talking about. If i remember correctly i believe ca had a couple of touch downs and cheerforce hit other than that ugly ugly basket but it hit. But i definitely think CA's choreoraphy pushed them ahead in that one. I even heard some girls with senior 3 shirts on in the bathroom talking about how they were scared they were going to get beat by cheerforce. Both teams did great, cheerforce had better tumbling, i thoughy both team had god stunts, both teams were clean, but ca's transitions KILLED. They were so entertaining. Except for that last flyer on the right for ca. I kind of missed the whole stunt sequince looking at her bad flexibility Senior 3 all around was a great competition. Every team was great. I knew that one would be close. Great job on your win CA it was well deserved you guys rocked!

I waso wanted to congratulate CA Crush for their win. Let the haters hate! I was so shocked to hear some of the comments made about your program by "a other teams" cheerleaders and COACHES. Thats just so rude. You guys did great and you deserved your win

I think cantbelieveit was talking about another division because Cheerforce Senior 3 did not compete against those other teams mentioned. I thought Senior 3 was a tough division - no doubt. Both CA and CF did a great job, although I was hoping for CF to take this one. They did have better tumbling, and CA had a touch down on tumbling. But I think they might have had more difficulty?? I too like their choreography....all those teams were pretty good. CF youth 3 did get jipped, sorry, but that is my opinion...I dont think they should have taken first, but definantly not third! I loved Titan Elite - they really have a great routine.....

thecheertruth · Member

CaliCheerWatcher wrote:

Changed my mind! I said cheerforce didn't get ripped off but after watching the youth 3 videos they did! I didn't see the other team that didnot place so IDK if they did, but cheerforce youth 3 hit and cheer central suns dropped their pyramid. So, I'm not sure how they placed above them :/

I too watched the videos and was at the competition. Cheer Centrals youth 3 was amazing, minus the pyramid fall. The girls were so clean and the routine had a lot creative elements in it that we don't see in youth 3 very often. In my opinion Cheer Central beat Cheerforce even with the pyramid fall because:
1. Cheer Central had a stronger opening
2. Cheer Central had full squad round off tucks
3. Cheer Central had a sronger partner stunt section
4. Cheer Central had a cleaner, more creative and more tumbling in their running tumbling.
5. Cheer Central had a better jump section - FULL squad 3toe 2BHS, not faking in the back
6. Cheerforce stuck their pyramid - Cheer Central didn't
7. Cheer Central had a cleaner dance with outstanding showmanship.

I think Cheer Central would have taken the division had they held on to theire pyramid. Honestly with all the hype of CheerForce youth 3 on this message board this year I thought they'd be amazing. Oh well.

p.o.k. · Veteran Member

MyTake wrote:

Thanks to 2008CheerFan we can all look at the videos ourselves with open eyes, and the more we look at the videos the more we realize there was something seriously wrong with the judging, and not just with this division. Its easy to say lets just move on and accept that this will always be an issue with our sport, but some of us prefer to point out the mistakes hoping there will someday be changes and SOME kind of accountability. At least we are all in agreement that the only team that deserved to win in this division won.

Of course it is always easier to point out mistakes and so much more fun. With so many experts on this board it is hard to believe there are any problems with cheerleading and the outcome of competitions. This is not the forum to resolve anything and get real change with judging. Every competition is different and every gym owner and competitor realizes that going in - why is so difficult for parents to realize this. Yes there will be disappointments in outcomes, but that will happen with standardized score sheets also. Standardization of score sheets will not solve all of the judging problems - there will always be a subjective element to the scores. You will just be working to max out one score sheet instead of several different ones.

MyTake · Senior Member

Its just my opinion but I think you are wrong if you think pointing out errors and complaining about judging wont make a difference. Gyms avoid particular competitions because of this (USA competitions in particular), and its looking like gyms may not give this one a second chance. Its sad that you think we point out the mistakes because its fun, you are missing the point completely.

p.o.k. · Veteran Member

My Take is correct if people do not like the judging or the results of a particular competition, gyms will not attend. However in this trying year it is difficult to determine if the economy or comments that are posted on a message board are keeping people away. It is probably a combination of both. Look at USA, maybe the comp was smaller than in years past but - but gyms still attended. Do not get me wrong I am not a fan of USA and their judging system at all.

However you are mistaken if posters do not take delight in pointing out team or judging errors. Yes there are some posters that really believe that posting comments will yield change, but look at the first post in this thread. To suggest there was a conspiracy for LA teams to win is ridiculous. That one message is all it took to get everyone into a fit. It is cheerleading for God sakes. I do not think the judging of cheerleading is the favored subject of conspiracy theorists. If you want a sport with exacting results you need to pick another one like track or basketball. The criteria is clear and specific.

In general - and this not directed to My Take - for posters to come on this board and so clearly rake one team over the coals is unsportsmanlike. Kids from all the teams come on this board and read what is being posted about them - think how you make them feel. It is so easy when it is anonymous. In addition, prefacing a comment with not wanting to team bash just shows the poster knows it is wrong in the first place.

-- Edited by p.o.k. on Monday 13th of April 2009 12:51:41 PM

oldschoolcheercoach · Member

So being entertaining is more important than hitting the skills -get a clue.
It;s not jealousy it's outrage that a stunt falls to the ground and places 2nd, when there wereseveral teams that were equal to the m that DID NOT HAVE FALLS!!

GAVEITALLUP4CHEER · Veteran Member

thecheertruth wrote:

CaliCheerWatcher wrote:

Changed my mind! I said cheerforce didn't get ripped off but after watching the youth 3 videos they did! I didn't see the other team that didnot place so IDK if they did, but cheerforce youth 3 hit and cheer central suns dropped their pyramid. So, I'm not sure how they placed above them :/

I too watched the videos and was at the competition. Cheer Centrals youth 3 was amazing, minus the pyramid fall. The girls were so clean and the routine had a lot creative elements in it that we don't see in youth 3 very often. In my opinion Cheer Central beat Cheerforce even with the pyramid fall because:
1. Cheer Central had a stronger opening
2. Cheer Central had full squad round off tucks
3. Cheer Central had a sronger partner stunt section
4. Cheer Central had a cleaner, more creative and more tumbling in their running tumbling.
5. Cheer Central had a better jump section - FULL squad 3toe 2BHS, not faking in the back
6. Cheerforce stuck their pyramid - Cheer Central didn't
7. Cheer Central had a cleaner dance with outstanding showmanship.

I think Cheer Central would have taken the division had they held on to theire pyramid. Honestly with all the hype of CheerForce youth 3 on this message board this year I thought they'd be amazing. Oh well.

Cheertruth- I think you are either from Cheer Central or delirious, we are all entitled to our opinions but come on be honest with yourself. Their opening was strong, after that the tumbling section was just jumbled, the flyer second to the right did everything early, their back girls in the jump sections legs are still on the ground when the front people are jumping and after THEY ALMOST BREAK THIER NECKS of the flyers because neither one of them flip, it is all over their face as they do the dance section, YES it is a cute dance love the ripple at the end but I do not see one kid smiling. Anyway I AM CALLING A RIP OFF on that one too, the judges gave them a placement based on what THEY WERE GONNA DO!

JMO

MyTake · Senior Member

Little Kitty (p.o.k) I agree with you. I am guilty of using a team as an example and its wrong because they have no control over the judging. I know I wouldnt like it if my daughters team won or placed and then read on this board all the posts that said they didnt deserve it. I apologize for that, these are all hard working athletes. Its just that there isnt a better way to point out inconsistencies in judging without having others view the videotapes for themselves. Aside from that the other issues (mistakes they admitted to but handled so poorly, and the delay in getting the scoresheets to the coaches so they could evaluate them in time to catch other mistakes) is really inexcusable. There were several competitions this year we went to that were very well attended (even in this bad economy), and there were very few complaints afterwards. Those are the ones most will return to next season. Thank you for your post, you made some very good points.

cheeeer · Veteran Member

wow. regarding the comment to 'cheertruth'? that's harsh. HATE MUCH?

-- Edited by cheeeer on Monday 13th of April 2009 01:25:59 PM

cheeeer · Veteran Member

Talk about it. I doubt jealousy has anything to do with the outrage. It's just some people get lucky as your team probably has at one time or another. I would bet the point spread in those particular divisions was super close anyway because almost everyone of those routines looked pretty skillful.