Athletic Championship

just another cheer mom · Newbie

RE: Athletic Championship

Yay4cheerDIVA · Senior Member

messageboarder wrote:
from what i remember-
small senior limited coed 5
1.AA Coed (levl 5 grand champs)
2. Nor Cal
3. Supreme

small senior 5
1.Power
2.AA All Girl

Senior Coed4
1. Nor Cal Elite(level 4 grand champs)

Senior Open 4
1.Athletic PErfection
2?
3?
4?
5?
6?

awesome competition. awards were fast and enjoyable for once. Please post videos

how did Athletic Prefection do?

AirborneOwner · GURU

Yay4cheerDIVA wrote:

messageboarder wrote:
from what i remember-
small senior limited coed 5
1.AA Coed (levl 5 grand champs)
2. Nor Cal
3. Supreme

small senior 5
1.Power
2.AA All Girl

Senior Coed4
1. Nor Cal Elite(level 4 grand champs)

Senior Open 4
1.Athletic PErfection
2?
3?
4?
5?
6?

awesome competition. awards were fast and enjoyable for once. Please post videos

how did Athletic Prefection do?

They did Great! Their Level 4 team is on fire and have an amazing routine!

calidramagirl10 · Member

i loved the competition. and all the teams did great this weekend.
i was really impressed with ALL the level 3 teams in every category (open, coed, large/small) The competition in this level is getting really strong.

CheerMom2three · Member

AirborneOwner wrote:

Yay4cheerDIVA wrote:

messageboarder wrote:
from what i remember-
small senior limited coed 5
1.AA Coed (levl 5 grand champs)
2. Nor Cal
3. Supreme

small senior 5
1.Power
2.AA All Girl

Senior Coed4
1. Nor Cal Elite(level 4 grand champs)

Senior Open 4
1.Athletic PErfection
2?
3?
4?
5?
6?

awesome competition. awards were fast and enjoyable for once. Please post videos

how did Athletic Prefection do?
They did Great! Their Level 4 team is on fire and have an amazing routine!

Thank you so much! They are working very hard and we are so proud!!!

Gatorgirl124 · Member

No one ever knows what the judges are looking for when the see a routine. Not all judges are gonna score the same. I actually love the way this competition scores and at most of their competitions the teams that win first place deserved to win. I have no problem with the way they scored in Providence and I think they scored the way they should have.

AbbyByTheBay · Senior Member

I'm all for standardized scoresheets because you shouldn't have to adjust your routines depending on where you compete. I enjoy watching teams that take chances, entertaining and wow'ing the crowd. It just seems like they should be rewarded for it. In my opinion the winners this weekend had a nice balance of both; their wins were well deserved. But I was surprised by the low placement of teams that took chances. It seemed they were penalized big time.

-- Edited by AbbyByTheBay at 23:28, 2009-02-02

MyOpinionOnly · Veteran Member

the standardized score sheet might be a good idea. but do you think that the competition hosts will go for this? i mean, most of the host "do their own thing" because they want to be different. and they think by doing so that this will be a draw for many teams. this is what separates them from the next competition host.

why i didn't like the scoring was because a team would have 4 body positions in the elites, another team would have only 2 body positions and the scores would be the same. bobble and falling from stunts weren't a deduction. so if this was going to be the case, heck just have your center flyer do all the work and have the other flyers come down early. it wasn't a penalty. i asked our coach and she was telling me it was only a penalty when the flyer hit the floor. in addition, there were teams that had a ton of kids on the floor and only put up the bare minimum stunts and many kids were on the floor just watching. heck there was one team, and i can't remember the team, but nearly half their kids did a duck and cover when it can to the dance portion of the routine. to me things like this should be scored down.

xpressjag · Senior Member

Gatorgirl124 wrote:

No one ever knows what the judges are looking for when the see a routine. Not all judges are gonna score the same. I actually love the way this competition scores and at most of their competitions the teams that win first place deserved to win. I have no problem with the way they scored in Providence and I think they scored the way they should have.

I personally as a coach wouldn't say I need a standarized score sheet for every competition we attend, but I would say to put your grid, expectations and standards out there prior to competition season so we can cater to those expectations. I like the variety, I just don't like the inconsistency and not following what you advertise. If you advertise a grid, then just go by that. Simple as that.

fatrahrah · Member

OK I think I get it now. We have producers of events who determine what rules they want to judge by and whom they want as judges.
NO STANDARDS? confuse

I am sorry but even a monster truck rally has a standard way of judging from event to event.
How is this sport ever going to be considered a "real sport" if their is no type of scoring system or judge credentials that are applicable to all venues? Why are these producers so against this? Don't they see it will do nothing but give the sport more value?
Once again I am just a casual observer but I think this is crazy.

xpressjag · Senior Member

fatrahrah wrote:

OK I think I get it now. We have producers of events who determine what rules they want to judge by and whom they want as judges.
NO STANDARDS?
I am sorry but even a monster truck rally has a standard way of judging from event to event.
How is this sport ever going to be considered a "real sport" if their is no type of scoring system or judge credentials that are applicable to all venues? Why are these producers so against this? Don't they see it will do nothing but give the sport more value?
Once again I am just a casual observer but I think this is crazy.

The problem is the value system between each company. Some companies believe in difficutly versus clean and vice versa. Some judge each area equally, while others don't score tumbling as high. Some companies don't penalize bobbles/falls, when others do. It's your job as a coach to research that. Take your kids where your routine scores high or the score sheet reflects your choreography style.

Again, I feel if your grid, rubic, or standards are ADVERTISED, then a coach can't complain about not knowing. I do not like the idea of cheerleading routines being a bunch of skills. Yes gymnastics is great to model from, but it gets boring after a while. Cheerleading has a lot more creativity and energy behind it. To some people that isn't a skill, but in my opinion that is the sole essence of being a cheerleader. Energy and performance.

Fun2Cheer · Veteran Member

MyOpinionOnly wrote:

the standardized score sheet might be a good idea. but do you think that the competition hosts will go for this? i mean, most of the host "do their own thing" because they want to be different. and they think by doing so that this will be a draw for many teams. this is what separates them from the next competition host.

No I don't think the event producers will go for a standardized score sheet. You are exactly right when they (the event producers) think the score sheet is what defines them. I agree to a point. But, it shouldn't. I feel the industry is ready for a standardized sheet. Before the USASF came along we (coaches) were adjusting routines to match the rules and guidelines of each event producer. Now we are still adjusting our routines to match the score sheet. What coach isn't going to put an additional basket toss/pyramid/stunt/tumbling sequence/etc. in if it's a category that is rewarded more for a particular score sheet. We're all trying to find that competitive advantage and are willing to make the changes (for the most part). And, in most cases (in my experience) it worked out and we were rewarded for it. But, it's a pain to make changes and not always the most fun for the kids.

In my opinion competitions should be chosen because of:
- Price point (And what you get for that price)
- Date
- Venue
- Warm-up area
- Awards
- Spectator seating
- Food choices
- 1 day/2 day
- Etc., etc., etc.....

The event producers should realize that some programs AREN'T attending their competitions because of the score sheet (hmmmm......USA for one......Oops - Did I say that?) even though they do a respectful job of producing an event. For this sport to gain respect from other youth sports and to be recognized as a true competitive sport we need a standardized score sheet.

The event producers were able to agree on a score sheet for Worlds. There is no reason that an agreement can't be made for the industry and then "tweeked" every two years. But, way too many egos in this industry so it may never happen.

JMO - I'll get off my horse now!

fatrahrah · Member

O.K.
Who should run this sport? The teams who participate or the hosts who make up their own rules? Compare it to ice skating. Each routine is very different with similar skills, has its own music, has a standard of scoring, its own artistic flare, costumes, advanced skills. Maybe I should just stick with soccer. I feel like an idiot because I don't get this.

CheerFan06 · Member

A standardized scoresheet seems like an absolute no-brainer to me.

1. It helps the teams in preparing routines (you can design 1 routine for all events)
2. It helps judges (they only have to learn one system.)
3. It helps event producers (they don't have to spend time and money developing their own systems.)
4. It helps the fans (they could perhaps make more sense of the results)

People used to say that different age divisions and safety rules were what set various events apart. That was just as absurd to me as people saying the scoresheet determines where teams go.

You don't go through a football season getting different amounts of points for touchdowns. You don't to basketball games and sometimes see a 4-point line.

-- Edited by CheerFan06 at 09:06, 2009-02-03

JMO · Veteran Member

A standardized score sheet seems like a good idea, as long as it goes in the right direction. I am pretty sure Pop Warner has a standard score sheet, but I think its horrible because all the teams loon like they all have the same routine! So I hope that having a standard score sheet wont hurt the teams being able to be creative because they have to appeal to the score sheet....

fatrahrah · Member

Bottom line.
if it does not have some standard way of scoring it is not a sport.
Sorry if it hurts your feelings but this is how every other sport works.

CaliCheerWatcher · GURU

anyone have senior open 3 results??

MyOwnOpinions · Newbie

okay i must say this even though Nor Cal Elite isnt a big topic on this message board.... Did you see how GREAT they looked this weekend reguarding what they have gone through. It looks as if they just keep on getting the boot from every comp. when will they finally be rewarded for their hard work?

AbbyByTheBay · Senior Member

MyOwnOpinions wrote:

okay i must say this even though Nor Cal Elite isnt a big topic on this message board.... Did you see how GREAT they looked this weekend reguarding what they have gone through. It looks as if they just keep on getting the boot from every comp. when will they finally be rewarded for their hard work?

I agree they looked great this weekend! I don't think they are getting the boot, they are either winning or placing well at every competition I've seen them at. Some of these divisions are very close, and while they are bringing their A game, so is everyone else. I see them getting even stronger as we head into Nationals.

Speaking of close divisions, the results should be posted soon, I can't wait to see the scores because there were some amazing routines this weekend.

Justagoof · Newbie

CaliCheerWatcher wrote:

anyone have senior open 3 results??

5. Goldstar
4. Airborne Glitz
3. Supreme Cheer
2. Power
1. Aerials Adrenaline

All of the teams in this division definitly brought it this weekend.