GSSA 12/13/08 Results

CheerTyme Owner · Senior Member

RE: GSSA 12/13/08 Results

messageboarder · Member

CheerTyme Owner wrote:

All American co-ed looked great. I am loving the BHS into hands stunt sequence.

me too. this team is always so original

heartscheer · Newbie

just_a_mom wrote:

Coach4Life wrote:

Hi All! My name is Alison Warren and I am one of the coaches and co creator for EDGE Allstars here in Elk Grove. I just want to thank some of the few teams (and their coaches) for welcoming our new team with open arms and support. Annette and I built this team with the pasion for cheer and the love for our girls who were moving on to high school's that were not competitive. This was a BIG step for us. We both went into it knowing we would here the negativity. With that said, I want to comment on the post made yesterday regarding EDGE trying to recruit. Im not sure who passed along this negative information to you, Annette and I have no intensions of recruiting. We are very excited for next years season and the growth in our gym, but our one and only priority right now is our senior team. They ARE the reason we are here!
Thank you again to all the great allstar gyms out there!! Annette and I are so happy to see our girls go out and do what they love best!! See you all soon!

-- Edited by Coach4Life at 08:26, 2008-12-14

You may have just learned your first lesson in the all star world, sweetie. It's going to important that you do not take advantage of using your cheerleaders as a liaison for your marketing campaign. It did happen yesterday and more than just one time. Several parents and cheerleaders has lots to say and could quote the script from which your cheerleaders presented your new Elk Grove program. It doesn't take very long for the all star cheerleading community to spread what other gyms do and for what reasons they are doing it. good luck with your senior team and I hope they enjoyed their first step into allstars. it must be quite different then pop warner football.

Is it really necessary to post this on the message board? If you have a problem with what another owner is doing, then as you being an owner call them directly and speak with them. There is no need for you to make a discussion between the two gyms on a message. Both gyms are neighbors and know each other, talk it out privately.

coachb · Veteran Member

LOVED all of cheergyms new uniforms. They're flashy and new, but still classic, clean, and complimentary to the average build of a female athlete. Kudos to who ever came up with the design, its definitely one to be proud of.

moreover...after watching some vids, LOVED Motions senior coed 3, makes me want to go back to the drawing boards or revamp our routine LOL.

MyOpinionOnly · Veteran Member

the results for this event is out online. can someone explain how a team because a cheer champion and grand champion at this event? I am so confused. I first thought it might come down to overall score and the highest score would get the highest honors, but this is not the case. Help someone help!

got cheer fever?? · Veteran Member

coachb wrote:

LOVED all of cheergyms new uniforms. They're flashy and new, but still classic, clean, and complimentary to the average build of a female athlete. Kudos to who ever came up with the design, its definitely one to be proud of.

moreover...after watching some vids, LOVED Motions senior coed 3, makes me want to go back to the drawing boards or revamp our routine LOL.

I love the cosmos!! I've only seen vids so far this season. Can not wait to see them in person in January!

Cheerz4Ever · Member

Yes I do not understand either.

L1 - Tiny Cheer

1st Gymstars Elite 159

2nd Athletic Perfection 152.5

3rd Riptides - Ripples 130

4th Swat All Stars 103

L1 - Mini Cheer B

1st Silver Spirit All-Stars 167
2nd POWER 164
3rd Fusion 160.5
4th Central Coast Elite - Rubies 148.5

5th Royal All-Stars 141.5
6th EC All Stars 140
7th Nor Cal Elite 135

**Placing on GSSA Website is incorrect for Mini Cheer B

L1 - Mini Cheer A

1st Athletic Perfection 172

2nd Cheergyms.com All Motions 159

3rd Cheergyms.com Pyramids 158.5

4th Merced All Starz 131

5th Sierra Spirit Thunders 128

L2 - Mini Cheer

1st University Cheer Force 174.5

L1 - Youth Cheer

1st All Star Elite Scene Stealers 177

2nd Cheer Stars 149.5

3rd Premier All Stars 170

4th Sierra Spirit Twisters - Blue 134.5

L2 - Small Youth Cheer

1st Athletic Perfection 210

2nd Central Coast Elite - Emeralds 188

3rd Cheergyms.com Pyramids 218.5

4th FAME Athletics 197.5

5th Rebel All Stars - Youth 175.5

6th Silver Spirit All-Stars 202.5

L2 - Large Youth Cheer

1st Aerials - Energy 210

2nd Fusion 191.5

L3 - Youth Cheer

1st POWER 221

2nd Nor Cal Elite - Hebe 209.5

3rd University Cheer Force 200

L2 - Small Junior Cheer

1st Gymstars Elite 206

2nd Nor Cal Elite 203
3rd Merced All Starz 193

4th Rebels All Stars - Juniors 178.5

5th Sierra Spirit Twisters - Silver 166.5

L2 - Large Junior Cheer

1st Riptides - RAMPAGE 196.5

2nd Premier All Stars 193

L3 - Junior Cheer

1st One Athletics 211

2nd Fusion 205.5

3rd Swat All Stars 191

L4 - Junior Cheer

1st Nor Cal Elite - Morpheus 246.5

2nd Royal All-Stars 231

L5 - Junior Cheer

1st POWER 248.5*

2nd Fusion 234

L5 - Senior Limited Co-Ed Cheer

1st Cheergyms.com All American 242.5

2nd Fusion 234

3rd Nor Cal Elite - Phoenix 232

L5 - International Open Cheer

1st POWER 257

L2 - Small Gym Senior Open Cheer

1st Sierra Spirit Twisters - Platinum 187.5

2nd Premier All Stars 179.5

3rd Ultimate Allstars 172.5

4th Powerhouse Allstar Cheer 164

5th Cheer Stars 161

L2 - Small Senior Open Cheer

1st POWER 217

2nd Royal All-Stars 176.5

L2 - Large Senior Cheer
1st Cheergyms.com Pyramids 238

2nd University Cheer Force 208

3rd Silver Spirit All-Stars 201.5

4th Riptides - REVOLUTION 198

* L3 - Small Senior Open Cheer

1st POWER 225.5

2nd Aerials - Adrenaline 218.5

3rd California Crush 217.5

4th Gymstars Elite 215.5

5th Flex All Stars 175

*After video review of a penalty assessed results of this division were altered.

L3 - Large Senior Open Cheer

1st Cheergyms.com All Motions 247.5

2nd Nor Cal Elite 230.5

3rd EC All Stars 224.5

4th All Star Elite Show Stoppers 222

L3 - Senior Cheer

1st FAME Athletics 212.5

2nd EDGE Allstars 186

3rd Central Coast Elite - Diamonds 186

L3 - Senior Co-Ed Cheer

1st Nor Cal Elite - Khaos 221.5

L4 - Small Senior Open Cheer

1st University Cheer Force 248

2nd Athletic Perfection 242.5

3rd Rebels All Stars - Seniors 211

L4 - Large Senior Open Cheer

1st One Athletics 224.5

2nd Cheergyms.com Pyramids 212

3rd Swat All Stars 204.5

L4 - Senior Co-Ed Cheer

1st Nor Cal Elite 230

2nd FAME Athletics 219.5

3rd Royal All-Stars 208

L5 - Small Senior Cheer

1st One Athletics 252**

2nd POWER 239

3rd Cheergyms.com All American 237.5

L6 - Open Co-Ed Cheer

1st One Athletics 262.5***

2nd Cheergyms.com Open 229.5

Mini Cheer Champion

Athletic Perfection - Mini L1

Youth Cheer Champion

Cheergyms.com Pyramids L2

Junior Cheer Champion

Nor Cal Elite Morpheus L4

* L5 Juniors Power has the highest JR score

Senior Cheer Champion

Cheergyms.com All-American Sr. 5 Limited Co-Ed

** L5 Small Senior One Athletics has the highest SR score
GRAND CHAMPION

Nor Cal Elite Morpheus L4 Junior Cheer
***L6 Open Co-ed Cheer One Athletics has the highest score

just_a_mom · Member

heartscheer wrote:

Is it really necessary to post this on the message board? If you have a problem with what another owner is doing, then as you being an owner call them directly and speak with them. There is no need for you to make a discussion between the two gyms on a message. Both gyms are neighbors and know each other, talk it out privately.

I took your advice and mentioned the situation to my gym. The staff said that they were well aware of the situation, because more than one parent has told them and it will discussed with the new gym. I have friends on the team of the 3rd neighboring gym and some of my friends were saying the same thing. It happened to more than one gym.

This example is just something that I have a strong view point on and it's my view point ONLY!!! Not my gym owner or anyone elses. I do have to say the parents that were approach by a younger person from the gym were quite surprised and are still taking about it.

If your teams perform well on the competition floor, kids - families - will come to your gym. All gyms needs to take care of business in their gyms and not worry about what is else were.

LOVE MY GIRLS · Member

just_a_mom wrote:

heartscheer wrote:

Is it really necessary to post this on the message board? If you have a problem with what another owner is doing, then as you being an owner call them directly and speak with them. There is no need for you to make a discussion between the two gyms on a message. Both gyms are neighbors and know each other, talk it out privately.

I took your advice and mentioned the situation to my gym. The staff said that they were well aware of the situation, because more than one parent has told them and it will discussed with the new gym. I have friends on the team of the 3rd neighboring gym and some of my friends were saying the same thing. It happened to more than one gym.

This example is just something that I have a strong view point on and it's my view point ONLY!!! Not my gym owner or anyone elses. I do have to say the parents that were approach by a younger person from the gym were quite surprised and are still taking about it.

If your teams perform well on the competition floor, kids - families - will come to your gym. All gyms needs to take care of business in their gyms and not worry about what is else were.

Really just sounds like you are trying to start DRAMA! disbelief

I personally didn't see or hear any teams recruiting or passing out flyers as many teams have done in the past. Every team has to start somewhere as I am sure your gym had to start off somewhere also. Lets remember here that these are kids we are talking about and they should all have pride in what they do, it gives them self esteem!

John Hebert · Senior Member

Howdy Everyone

To clear up a few things from this weekend.

1. Our Jr 5 did not have the penalty that was reversed. It was our Sr 3 Open team.

A deduction of 14 points was given to us for doing a two man stunt. However two mans are legal if you don't cradel from them at this level, which we don't. After the awards were announced we got our score sheets to find out we were dinged for something that in fact was legal. I then went to the owner of GSSA to dispute this. She then took me and the penalty judge to a room so we could discuss the penalty. After I presented the rule and explained the grip, she called a USASF official to confirm what I was saying. After the phone call, she confirmed what I said was correct and then reviewed the video to verify. After it was verified the penalty was removed.

I then made two suggestions so that this would not happen to any other team in the future.

A. Have the penalty judge in the warm-up room to check all stunts. This would allow any coach to know prior to a team performing that something was illegal.

B. If the penalty judge were to judge during the performance that coaches be notified prior to awards that there was an illegal infraction and that if there is to be any challenges to that call it could be done and corrected prior to awards.

The owner of GSSA has listened and will make one of those changes at the next event in San Jose.

2. The actual Highest SR division socre went to the Senior International Team from POWER. I did ask how it was determined for level champions and was told it was all of the judges that picked the winner and not highest score. This was because there are two pannels of judges and one may score higher than the other, thus overall judges pick.

Cheers
JOHN

Fierce Coach · GURU

Thanks for the recap John!

Simply a cheermom · Veteran Member

John,
As always we appreciate you coming on here to clear up misunderstandings. We all appreciate you and all that you do in the cheer industry to make things better. It is so important to make sure our girls and guys receive fair judging for what they put on the floor. There are so many times that owners and coaches don't stand up for or even question the penalties. They just accept what was told. I love how you handle things. You go to the source with your concerns, but also make suggestions to keep this situation from happening again. I applaud you for making this right for your girls. They deserved the win and should be rewarded for their performance.

Congratulations POWER

Side note: Cheergyms I love your uniforms. LOVE THEM! LOVE THEM! classic cheergyms style but i miss your BIG WHITE BOWS

Also Morton, Danny and the cheergyms crew, we appreciate all you do in this industry as well.

CheerDad · Member

Unfortunately, I felt that Saturday's competition was lacking in real discipline. Other than the One Level 6 and Power Open International 5 a majority of the routines were not clean and frankly, not real exciting. Even Ones Sr. Small 5 had a stunt and Pyramid come down. Powers Small Sr 5 was disastrous after the stunting incident. One of the cleanest routines was the All-Star Elite Junior 4 and it was no wonder they won Junior Grand Champions even though Power Junior 5, who also had a stunt come down, scored higher.

In all the competition was disappointing and that may stem more from the fact that you could not see the routines from the chairs due to the throngs of people standing in front of the stage. I sorely missed the bleachers from last year.

I know all of these girls work very hard and that it is still early and they do their best when on the stage. I feel that if the promoters would provide a more disciplined atmosphere that the performers might perform with a littel more intensity. I also think that the judging issue with the Power Sr 3 Open is evident of the lack of discipline.

Fierce Coach · GURU

What competition company was this?

AbbyByTheBay · Senior Member

CheerDad wrote:

Unfortunately, I felt that Saturday's competition was lacking in real discipline. Other than the One Level 6 and Power Open International 5 a majority of the routines were not clean and frankly, not real exciting. Even Ones Sr. Small 5 had a stunt and Pyramid come down. Powers Small Sr 5 was disastrous after the stunting incident. One of the cleanest routines was the All-Star Elite Junior 4 and it was no wonder they won Junior Grand Champions even though Power Junior 5, who also had a stunt come down, scored higher.

In all the competition was disappointing and that may stem more from the fact that you could not see the routines from the chairs due to the throngs of people standing in front of the stage. I sorely missed the bleachers from last year.

I know all of these girls work very hard and that it is still early and they do their best when on the stage. I feel that if the promoters would provide a more disciplined atmosphere that the performers might perform with a littel more intensity. I also think that the judging issue with the Power Sr 3 Open is evident of the lack of discipline.

I think you meant Nor Cal Elite's Jr Level 4 (I don't think Allstar Elite has one). They (NCE) won Jr Division Champs and GSSA Grand Champs, congrats to them. I agree about the amount of falls we saw in numerous routines. I was wondering if it had to do with the higher level teams having to perform earlier than usual? Typically they perform in the afternoon, not morning. And I agree 100% about the seating; you really can't see with everyone walking around during the performances. I hope with enough complaints GSSA and other comps will go back to bleachers.

I'm glad the issue of how to deal with penalties BEFORE awards are announced is being addressed (thank you John)!

got cheer fever?? · Veteran Member

I believe the lack of bleachers is a result of an issue with the venue and not the competition company. I heard that the convention center is not allowing use of the bleachers due to an accident and possibility of a lawsuit.

got cheer fever?? · Veteran Member

I too was surprised by the number of technical errors especially in stunting. What worries me more is the number of iffy tumbling passes thrown. I am almost always horrified with the number of kids throwing tumbling skills that are not solid. You can often see the look of surprise on the kids face when they actually hit the skill.

I find the tumbling to be especially dangerous as at least a flier has a group that will (hopefully) catch her.

As a parent I would not allow my daughter to be pushed (or have her push a coach to let her) put a tumbling skill on the floor that she is less than confident with.

I have always heard about a general coaching rule of 90% hit ratio before allowing a skill in a routine. Doesn't seem like many are hitting anywhere near this percentage.

I also did not see many accurately executed or pretty kick fulls/ kick doubles. Anyone else agree?

Anonymoustoo · Newbie

How did Power's International Team have the Highest score of the day in the Sr. Open division when the International Open Cheer division is a seperate division from Sr. Open division according to USASF/IASF?

AlexInWonderland · Veteran Member

AbbyByTheBay wrote:

CheerDad wrote:

Unfortunately, I felt that Saturday's competition was lacking in real discipline. Other than the One Level 6 and Power Open International 5 a majority of the routines were not clean and frankly, not real exciting. Even Ones Sr. Small 5 had a stunt and Pyramid come down. Powers Small Sr 5 was disastrous after the stunting incident. One of the cleanest routines was the All-Star Elite Junior 4 and it was no wonder they won Junior Grand Champions even though Power Junior 5, who also had a stunt come down, scored higher.

In all the competition was disappointing and that may stem more from the fact that you could not see the routines from the chairs due to the throngs of people standing in front of the stage. I sorely missed the bleachers from last year.

I know all of these girls work very hard and that it is still early and they do their best when on the stage. I feel that if the promoters would provide a more disciplined atmosphere that the performers might perform with a littel more intensity. I also think that the judging issue with the Power Sr 3 Open is evident of the lack of discipline.

I think you meant Nor Cal Elite's Jr Level 4 (I don't think Allstar Elite has one). They (NCE) won Jr Division Champs and GSSA Grand Champs, congrats to them. I agree about the amount of falls we saw in numerous routines. I was wondering if it had to do with the higher level teams having to perform earlier than usual? Typically they perform in the afternoon, not morning. And I agree 100% about the seating; you really can't see with everyone walking around during the performances. I hope with enough complaints GSSA and other comps will go back to bleachers.

I'm glad the issue of how to deal with penalties BEFORE awards are announced is being addressed (thank you John)!

FAVORTISM!!!! There were way better routines!

UCF Staff · Member

Hi there everyone! It's extremely rare that we come out to this message board to post anything at all. We want to thank everyone for all the wonderful comments that everyone is making about our teams this season. THANK YOU!

Our girls are really working hard to make it the next level...even our mini, they are so cute!
The competition was a really nice one. Our youth girls sure did have playing little sally walker with the hebes. Wait is that suppose to happen? Playing games with a competitor? Aww yes it should after all we are all here for the kids. We look forward to the next competiton.

We wish everyone a joyous holiday season!

Thanks again!