Grieving mom files wrongful death lawsuit

Date: Tue Oct 21 1:21 PM, 2008

RE: Grieving mom files wrongful death lawsuit

Date: Tue Oct 21 1:27 PM, 2008

she complained right away and did not keep stunting she was in too much pain. Her high school coach was there but did not attend to her.

Date: Tue Oct 21 1:31 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

she complained right away and did not keep stunting she was in too much pain. Her high school coach was there but did not attend to her.

Where you there when it happened? Or could you post the links where you are pulling this info from.

I had read a lot about this when it happened. It was and remains a terrible tragedy. cry

Healing prayers for her mother.

Date: Tue Oct 21 1:31 PM, 2008

Thank you for the response.

Date: Tue Oct 21 2:05 PM, 2008

this is so sad. in reading articles on the case when the emts and fire department arrived she was still conscious and had told them she had thought she had the wind knocked out of her. The coaches and others in charge obviously called as her condition worsened, so how did they do wrong, why would you call and emt for having the wind knocked out of someone??? How were they to know she had internal bleeding. It is all just a very sad ACCIDENT, with no one to blame.

Date: Tue Oct 21 2:14 PM, 2008

so with all this being said and saftey concerns. this is where i find fault with usasf... like the 4.2 level they are offering. wasnt their point for this divison to bring more athletes into the all star gym???? hmmm if thats not about money than what is..
level 4 is an intense level and it should not include levle 2 skills of any type. if you are not phsically fit to throw 4 tumbling skills then you should not compete level 4.. the usasf is wrong for this division and in theeir own way have admitted to adding this level to increase membership for gyms.

just another point of veiw

Date: Tue Oct 21 2:28 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

this is so sad. in reading articles on the case when the emts and fire department arrived she was still conscious and had told them she had thought she had the wind knocked out of her. The coaches and others in charge obviously called as her condition worsened, so how did they do wrong, why would you call and emt for having the wind knocked out of someone??? How were they to know she had internal bleeding. It is all just a very sad ACCIDENT, with no one to blame.

misinformation...she NEVER said she had the wind knocked out of her. her coach did. 911 was called a second time because she was convulsing so it would have been hard for her to talk by the time the ambulance arrived. Looks like we have a bunch of lawyers and safety experts on here.

Date: Tue Oct 21 2:29 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

so with all this being said and saftey concerns. this is where i find fault with usasf... like the 4.2 level they are offering. wasnt their point for this divison to bring more athletes into the all star gym???? hmmm if thats not about money than what is..
level 4 is an intense level and it should not include levle 2 skills of any type. if you are not phsically fit to throw 4 tumbling skills then you should not compete level 4.. the usasf is wrong for this division and in theeir own way have admitted to adding this level to increase membership for gyms.

just another point of veiw

I agree with 100% .

Date: Tue Oct 21 2:31 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

so with all this being said and saftey concerns. this is where i find fault with usasf... like the 4.2 level they are offering. wasnt their point for this divison to bring more athletes into the all star gym???? hmmm if thats not about money than what is..
level 4 is an intense level and it should not include levle 2 skills of any type. if you are not phsically fit to throw 4 tumbling skills then you should not compete level 4.. the usasf is wrong for this division and in theeir own way have admitted to adding this level to increase membership for gyms.

just another point of veiw

did the USASF consult an unbiased expert opinion on the risks of having athletes that can't tumble at level 4 throw stunts at a level 4. Sounds like increased risks to me.

Date: Tue Oct 21 2:51 PM, 2008

I work in a cheerleading gym and there are quite a few ocassions where the gym is rented by another program (high school, pop warner, etc).

does anyone know if this team just rented the gym or if they were actually working with East Elite Instructors?

Date: Tue Oct 21 2:59 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

I work in a cheerleading gym and there are quite a few ocassions where the gym is rented by another program (high school, pop warner, etc).

does anyone know if this team just rented the gym or if they were actually working with East Elite Instructors?

with east elite instructors

Date: Tue Oct 21 3:07 PM, 2008

There is to many people saying different things for me to make sense of it all. I guess the court will figure it all out. Fatal injuried happen in every sport. I know in football people have died from getting head injuries back to back due to lack of knowledge. The football coaches didn't know the kids had concussions and sent them into play when they got hit in the head again. They seem shaken up, but still function properly, but 10 minutes down the line they just collapse and a few short minutes after that most of the time they died. This could be the same case. Maybe she fell had a stomach ache which most people would think well she just got the wind knocked out of her. She seemed to still be able to talk in the begining (I'm sure if she fell and all of the sudden stopped talking they would of called 911 right away). Then somewhere down the line new problems started coming up she started losing her ability to speak and started puking blood. By this time the Coaches would then realize that hey there is something wrong she didn't just get the wind knocked out of her, but unfortunately by the time these symptons arose it was to late for her.

In reality the only people who knew exactly what happened would be the people on the floor when it happened. Even if you were in a parent viewing area things could seem different from what really happened. I hope this all gets cleared up and my prayers are going to anyone who was affected by this situation.

Date: Tue Oct 21 3:10 PM, 2008

Sorry had a type inuried = injuries.
I would like to also add this is all just theory of what might be another scenario of what went down.

Date: Tue Oct 21 3:12 PM, 2008

Ugh sorry guys long day and apparantly can't type well today. type = typo and inuried = injuried

Date: Tue Oct 21 3:19 PM, 2008

sorry for the misinformation. That is what the Boston globe reported as quoted from a press confrence from the chief of police. Just trying to make snese of it all. no need to get nasty

Date: Tue Oct 21 3:38 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

this is so sad. in reading articles on the case when the emts and fire department arrived she was still conscious and had told them she had thought she had the wind knocked out of her. The coaches and others in charge obviously called as her condition worsened, so how did they do wrong, why would you call and emt for having the wind knocked out of someone??? How were they to know she had internal bleeding. It is all just a very sad ACCIDENT, with no one to blame.

misinformation...she NEVER said she had the wind knocked out of her. her coach did. 911 was called a second time because she was convulsing so it would have been hard for her to talk by the time the ambulance arrived. Looks like we have a bunch of lawyers and safety experts on here.

So you were there?

Date: Tue Oct 21 4:15 PM, 2008

This is all very interesting and as we can tell, there are a million stories that have surfaced.

I don't think you can manage with just the stories that are put on here, nor can you determine the logistics based on one person.

There are cheerleaders who land on their stomachs, out of stunts, all the time. This wasn't an injury where she fell with nobody catching her. If an ambulance was called everytime a cheerleader was minorly injured, that would be horrible. I can see as this looking as though it was a minor injury. Of course, as it got worse, they did the right thing by calling an ambulance.

It also depends on if the girl "cried wolf" before....if she is saying she is hurt every practice, when do you believe them, and when do you not?

It's hard to tell....after all, people die all the time of freak accidents. Weather it be in sports or someone walking down the street, strange things happen.

Is anyone really at fault? I'm sure the courts will decide. I know that a majority of coaches who have a girl fall on her stomach and then complain of a stomach pain, are NOT going to call 911 right away. They are going to have the athlete sit out and assess her as time goes on- exactally what this coach did. So, in my opinion, based ONLY ON what I've read, I do not think anyone is at fault.

I do feel for the mom and any other parents who have lost thier children due to cheerleading/other sports. But there is always the risk- with some sports higher than others.

Date: Tue Oct 21 4:31 PM, 2008

It's a difficult situation to assess. Perhaps she was someone who frequently complained of being hurt at practice so her coaches were slow to respond. I've seen coaches get irritated when the same kid always has an ailment at practice. They send them to sit it off. But then again maybe she was one of those tough kids who was always striving to get better and thought if she sat down for a few minutes the pain would go away. If she was a shy or quiet girl, her initial symptoms could have gone unnoticed. We don't know because we weren't there. We don't even know if everything that's been reported is true. This needs to go to court so the truth gets found. Of course, after 3 years, it's likely that people won't remember all the details like they would have if it was investigated early on.

Date: Tue Oct 21 6:05 PM, 2008

it is a difficult situation for those who were never there to understand exactly what happened. and unfortuanetly because Ashley is no longer with us we will never know what went through her head or what she felt. RIP Ashley.
but landing on ones stomach is a common spot to land when a flyer falls from a stunt. perhaps the coaches simply thought she had stomach ache or was just sore from being caught. but if she was obviously severly injured and they delayed calling 911 or getting some professional help then that is wrong.
and i don't believe her mom is suing for money but more for opening peoples eyes when it comes to cheer and showing how dangerous it is. maybe there will be more guidelines and safety laws.

Date: Tue Oct 21 7:11 PM, 2008

There was a neighbor boy 14 that lived two streets down from our house. He was riding his bike and slipped hit his stomach on the handle bars of his bike. He went home told his parents, went up to his room fell asleep, never woke up. He died of the very same injuries. Very sad! Freakish injury, parents were in shock!