I was just looking at a competition schedule for an upcoming event when i noticed that jamfest now combines the all Small, Large, And Coed teams together in the junior division if they have no competition. What do you think about this? Is it good or bad? Why or why not?
I am not a big fan of combining divisions! It just dosen't seen fair to put small up against a large. Large seems to look better just from a number stand point.
I am not a big fan of combining divisions! It just dosen't seen fair to put small up against a large. Large seems to look better just from a number stand point.
All USASF member companies are supposed to be combining divisions of the same age group and levl when there is no one to compete against. After all, it is a competition - not a recital. We go to compete, not to exhibition. When large and small are combined judges are to consider the %'s of skills being performed instead of the raw numbers; meaning if a level 2 team has 10 kids on it and 5 throw BHS's then a team of 30 members should have 15 BHS's to remain competitive in that category. You can argue Large vs. Small for hours and the pros and cons will come out equal every single time.
I am not a big fan of combining divisions! It just dosen't seen fair to put small up against a large. Large seems to look better just from a number stand point.
All USASF member companies are supposed to be combining divisions of the same age group and levl when there is no one to compete against. After all, it is a competition - not a recital. We go to compete, not to exhibition. When large and small are combined judges are to consider the %'s of skills being performed instead of the raw numbers; meaning if a level 2 team has 10 kids on it and 5 throw BHS's then a team of 30 members should have 15 BHS's to remain competitive in that category. You can argue Large vs. Small for hours and the pros and cons will come out equal every single time.
I think the key words are "judges are to consider". They're supposed to consider the %'s of skills. Does anyone monitor the scoring to make sure that is being done? Too often it doesn't happen and the larger teams win. There's just no way a team of 10 can go against a team of 30 and expect a fair judgement.
I am not a big fan of combining divisions! It just dosen't seen fair to put small up against a large. Large seems to look better just from a number stand point.
All USASF member companies are supposed to be combining divisions of the same age group and levl when there is no one to compete against. After all, it is a competition - not a recital. We go to compete, not to exhibition. When large and small are combined judges are to consider the %'s of skills being performed instead of the raw numbers; meaning if a level 2 team has 10 kids on it and 5 throw BHS's then a team of 30 members should have 15 BHS's to remain competitive in that category. You can argue Large vs. Small for hours and the pros and cons will come out equal every single time.
I think the key words are "judges are to consider". They're supposed to consider the %'s of skills. Does anyone monitor the scoring to make sure that is being done? Too often it doesn't happen and the larger teams win. There's just no way a team of 10 can go against a team of 30 and expect a fair judgement.
Tell that to John at POWER. Before the days of large and small his small teams were kicking everyones butt! Same for AP.
I was just looking at a competition schedule for an upcoming event when i noticed that jamfest now combines the all Small, Large, And Coed teams together in the junior division if they have no competition. What do you think about this? Is it good or bad? Why or why not?
i think its bad, its hard for a team with 20 to compete against a team with 36. the team with 36 just has more things they can do visually
Okay, here is a question. Say you have a small team of 12 going against a large team of 25 to 30. Everyone talks about how unfair it would be for the small to go against the large, but I see unfairness the other way too. Just for example, let's choose level 3. So let's say every member of the smaller team has level 3 tumbling and stunting. That's 100% in the skills category. It's not hard to do when you only have 12 members. They would have a huge advantage over the larger team who most likely has 80% of their team throwing the appropriate skills for that level, at best. More members mean more potential mistakes, and it's harder to synchronize that many members. I see unfairness on both sides, which is why I think it's ridiculous to have them compete against each other... apples and oranges.
Okay, here is a question. Say you have a small team of 12 going against a large team of 25 to 30. Everyone talks about how unfair it would be for the small to go against the large, but I see unfairness the other way too. Just for example, let's choose level 3. So let's say every member of the smaller team has level 3 tumbling and stunting. That's 100% in the skills category. It's not hard to do when you only have 12 members. They would have a huge advantage over the larger team who most likely has 80% of their team throwing the appropriate skills for that level, at best. More members mean more potential mistakes, and it's harder to synchronize that many members. I see unfairness on both sides, which is why I think it's ridiculous to have them compete against each other... apples and oranges.
This rarely happens and even if it does the teams should still be seperated by squad size.
Okay, here is a question. Say you have a small team of 12 going against a large team of 25 to 30. Everyone talks about how unfair it would be for the small to go against the large, but I see unfairness the other way too. Just for example, let's choose level 3. So let's say every member of the smaller team has level 3 tumbling and stunting. That's 100% in the skills category. It's not hard to do when you only have 12 members. They would have a huge advantage over the larger team who most likely has 80% of their team throwing the appropriate skills for that level, at best. More members mean more potential mistakes, and it's harder to synchronize that many members. I see unfairness on both sides, which is why I think it's ridiculous to have them compete against each other... apples and oranges.
That is exactly why when it's all said and done there are EQUAL pros and cons to each. There is NO advantage to either when competing against one another. However, it does come down to the judging panel. The competition company has to train their judges to understand all of the pros and cons of combing and judge as such. Unfortunately, there are some companies out there that are just in it for the money and do NO training of their judges at all.
I am not a big fan of combining divisions! It just dosen't seen fair to put small up against a large. Large seems to look better just from a number stand point.
All USASF member companies are supposed to be combining divisions of the same age group and levl when there is no one to compete against. After all, it is a competition - not a recital. We go to compete, not to exhibition. When large and small are combined judges are to consider the %'s of skills being performed instead of the raw numbers; meaning if a level 2 team has 10 kids on it and 5 throw BHS's then a team of 30 members should have 15 BHS's to remain competitive in that category. You can argue Large vs. Small for hours and the pros and cons will come out equal every single time.
I think the key words are "judges are to consider". They're supposed to consider the %'s of skills. Does anyone monitor the scoring to make sure that is being done? Too often it doesn't happen and the larger teams win. There's just no way a team of 10 can go against a team of 30 and expect a fair judgement.
Does anyone know what division small senior limited coed teams would be combimed with if there is only one team in that division? If there isnt a set division what division do you guys think small senior limited coed 5 should be combined with if there are no teams in that division? I dont think it would be fair to combine them with small senior 5 but i think that would be way way more fair them combining them with unlimited coed or large limited coed.
