Introducing Level 4.2?!?!?!?!

Cory · Veteran Member

RE: Introducing Level 4.2?!?!?!?!

CheerDad · Member

stacy4567 wrote:

some cheerleaders are better at stunting then tumbling so why discriminate against the better stunters ......
so stop hating hatersssss

Just because people do not believe that there should be a Level 4.2 division does not mean they "hate" those who choose to compete there.
I get so tired of the "discrimination" word. Haven't you wondered why there is no level 1,2,3 divisions for cheerleaders over the age of 18 (ie. Open International)??? It is certainly not because they are discriminating against 19 yr olds that cannot do a back handspring.

MyOpinionOnly · Veteran Member

GO 4.2! I am hearing lots of talk about this division. there was a team this weekend that did a great job in this category. it gives the girls a stunting challenge that's for sure. Going from prep level libs with straight ride cradles to extend libs with full downs is tough.

duhhhdimeeex3 · Newbie

i just so happen to cheer for a 4.2 team and we are pretty beast if you ask mee. i think you guys need to actually think about some stuff before you start throwin your opinions out there. this level is freakin amazing and gives us so much to do to make our routine look good. and stacy is exactly right because i cheer with her, WE ARE COMPETING A JAMFEST COMPETITION ON 4/4-4/5. dont believe us? come watch us. that'lll change your mind wont it? so dont be judging what other teams can do if 1.you havent seen them yet. and 2. you dont know what we can do. why does it matter to you anyway, im sure you guys have your own teams who are good and what not, so why are you hating on us?! come see us then you can judge this level. until then dont judge us when you dont even know us. goodbye.

Dstewie · Member

MyOpinionOnly wrote:

GO 4.2! I am hearing lots of talk about this division. there was a team this weekend that did a great job in this category. it gives the girls a stunting challenge that's for sure. Going from prep level libs with straight ride cradles to extend libs with full downs is tough.

I have only seen two teams compete 4.2 both teams should NOT been in this division. They did not have the skills for 4.2 but since each of them were the only teams in the division they both won. That is not competition. The stunting was not 4.2 they did not do 4.2 tossess, cradles, release moves and the stunts were far from fair. I hate to see this get taken advantage of. It might work if they have a minimum skill. Such as they get disquallified if they do not have at least 50% of the team doing the level 4 skills. This just seems like this is a place for a team to go to where there is NO other teams and compete and win first. If they dont have level 4 tumbling then they need to work on it. If we accommodate this we should also have a 3.2, 5.2, or what about a 2.4 or 2.4. It is already very hard to get enough competition in the divisions. If we are going to create different divisions it should be other division changes. For example if you are on a Level 4 or 5 team you CANNOT double team on a level 2 team. Only Level 2 and 3 can double team and 4 and 5 can double team. This really evens the playing field.

Fierce Coach · GURU

Although i like the idea of 4.2, and would love to have a 4.2 in the future, I do have to agree with some of the comments being made that some of the current level 4.2's aren't truley 4.2's Level 4 stunting isn't easy. If you're going to do 4.2, it must be safe.

Cfierce · Senior Member

Cory wrote:

Well in the same way that gymnastics is tumbling, it's also beam, uneven bars, vault, rings, etc.

So what I think everyone's trying to get at is that cheerleading according to the score sheets is tumbling, stunting, dancing, etc. and up until now, many had to work to get from a level 2 cheerleader to a level 4 and 5 cheerleader, and it's sad that everything has come to the point of, "oh you can catch a double down, come cheer level 5 and get a ring at worlds, it's ok that you can't even jump to tuck"

So restating what I said before, it's gotten to the point where cheerleaders aren't even cheerleaders any more, some are stunters, some are tumblers, and some are jumpers, etc and its painful to watch it get more and more like that every year, and introducing this division is rewarding the ones that aren't willing to work on standing tucks and layouts to cheer level 4, so now were able to do full downs out of 1 legged stunts and then when we get to cross tumbling the elite pass is roundoff handspring step out roundoff handspring rebound half turn roundoff handspring handspring handspring

Not to hate on you or anyone as cheerleaders personally or saying that anyone with that pass sucks, it's just not lv 4, I'm just mad at the industry as a whole and this division and thread sparked my will to share my thoughts.

cory uses such big words im confussed hahah jk biggrin

hellacheer · Newbie

I think this level is a good thing,

I've been cheering for 7 years and I used to tumble but through all the injuries it's become much too hard on my body to tumble like I used to, and there's a pretty good mental block that keeps me from getting skills much higher than level 2/3, but I'm level 5 when it comes to stunting and level 3 stunts just aren't that fun for me. I love being able to do level 4 pyramids and stunts and not have to feel like I'm not good enough to be on that team because I don't really tumble.

Rockstar · Veteran Member

I hate the idea of this level. Why stop here? how about a 2.3? or a 5.1?

this plays into the thing i hate most about modern cheerleading.

the "everybody's a winner" attitude. yeah, everyone deserves to have fun, and have a good experience. but in my opinion this is why the rest of the world still doesnt take cheer seriously as a sport. because cheer doesnt take itself seriously. 4.2, are you kidding me? i totally agree with the level system as is, but why are we spreading the field even more? just so everyone can get a trophy and comp companies can get more money. its stupid.

newsflash, not everyone wins. welcome to sports. if you cant hang, dont play.

geez while we're at it, how about allstar non mount divisions? or allstar no tumbling? to me, 4.2 sounds just as stupid.

Fun2Cheer · Veteran Member

Amen Rockstar! Amen! I used to think cheerleading was for the hardcore athletes. Now it seems it's for the mild athletes that can't the workouts and results of another sport. Make no mistake there are still hardcore athletes in cheer but for the most part it's getting soft.

AbbyByTheBay · Senior Member

From what I've seen at competitions so far I don't think this will catch on. We'll see next season. I'm not a fan of it either, it just waters down the sport.

vman17 · Veteran Member

i wonder what gyms will offer this division in their gym?

John Hebert · Senior Member

POWER will be offering this division at our Sacramento Gym for 2009/2010

JOHN

OC Mom · GURU

Wow! What an interesting topic! I don't even HAVE an opinion yet! Both sides made quite the case. Hmmmmmmmmm.....

Thanks guys!

1FierceMom · Veteran Member

Cory wrote:

Well in the same way that gymnastics is tumbling, it's also beam, uneven bars, vault, rings, etc.

So what I think everyone's trying to get at is that cheerleading according to the score sheets is tumbling, stunting, dancing, etc. and up until now, many had to work to get from a level 2 cheerleader to a level 4 and 5 cheerleader, and it's sad that everything has come to the point of, "oh you can catch a double down, come cheer level 5 and get a ring at worlds, it's ok that you can't even jump to tuck"

So restating what I said before, it's gotten to the point where cheerleaders aren't even cheerleaders any more, some are stunters, some are tumblers, and some are jumpers, etc and its painful to watch it get more and more like that every year, and introducing this division is rewarding the ones that aren't willing to work on standing tucks and layouts to cheer level 4, so now were able to do full downs out of 1 legged stunts and then when we get to cross tumbling the elite pass is roundoff handspring step out roundoff handspring rebound half turn roundoff handspring handspring handspring

Not to hate on you or anyone as cheerleaders personally or saying that anyone with that pass sucks, it's just not lv 4, I'm just mad at the industry as a whole and this division and thread sparked my will to share my thoughts.

Cory, I can completely understand where you're coming from, you make a good point, but, on the other hand, 4.2 is a great level for girls who have had no all star experience, who have only cheered for high school, or not at all. As you stated before: "some are stunters, some are tumblers, and some are jumpers, etc" this is true, and also while it may not be for everyone, it makes perfect sense as well. There are many high school aged girls out there that want to be on an all star team, but are intimidated because they may not have certain skills. Again, I can see both sides, but I think that this is something to look forward to next season too. aww

-- Edited by 1FierceMom on Tuesday 17th of March 2009 02:28:38 PM

vman17 · Veteran Member

agree

AbbyByTheBay · Senior Member

1FierceMom, one problem I have with it is exactly what you posted; you said it's a great level for girls who have had no all star experience. Level 4 stunts are great for the non-experienced?? Now from what I have seen so far coming out of this division, this does seem evident because I'm not seeing many level 4 stunts. What I'm seeing are level 2 teams that should have been going against all the other level 2 teams, but instead went against nobody in a 4.2 division. And it isn't obvious they would have beat level 2 teams (a very popular division for girls who have had no all star experience). I'm just surprised at the assumption the novice can easily jump into level 4 stunts.

1FierceMom · Veteran Member

AbbyByTheBay wrote:

1FierceMom, one problem I have with it is exactly what you posted; you said it's a great level for girls who have had no all star experience. Level 4 stunts are great for the non-experienced?? Now from what I have seen so far coming out of this division, this does seem evident because I'm not seeing many level 4 stunts. What I'm seeing are level 2 teams that should have been going against all the other level 2 teams, but instead went against nobody in a 4.2 division. And it isn't obvious they would have beat level 2 teams (a very popular division for girls who have had no all star experience). I'm just surprised at the assumption the novice can easily jump into level 4 stunts.

I guess I wasn't very clear (sorry), what Im saying is this; there are a lot of girls wo cheer for their high school teams, so they can stunt/base level 4 skills, but may not have the level 4 tumbling. I have seen a few 4.2 teams on youtube, and they were pretty good aww