Introducing Level 4.2?!?!?!?!

Date: Tue Sep 16 9:34 AM, 2008

RE: Introducing Level 4.2?!?!?!?!

Date: Tue Sep 16 12:10 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Maybe you did not take the time to read my post.... Didn't I say pop warner was awesome...? just don't agree with i4.2 that's all. Everyone is entitled to their opinion just like you. That's what the boards are for so bla bla bla yourself. smiles are contagious!!!!

I agree! Yes, I did read your post and I understand what you wrote. I agree everyone is entitled to their opinion, like you and me.

I'm sure your child has worked very hard to be on a level 5 or level 4 team......and your thought is, why the heck should thier now be a level 4.2? Things change, that's why. The cheer world is not what it used to be back 25 years ago, 10 years or even 4 years ago! The rules change and for the better(we hope). I have to say I do not recall of a sport were the rules have changed so much! LOL.......... All I ask is for those who do not like the 4.2 for what ever reason....think of the kids who can so everything BUT the tumbling and ask your self this.....Would YOU want to be held back?

Makes you go Hmmmm.......... confused LOL.... Have a Nice Day!

Date: Tue Sep 16 2:34 PM, 2008

Tumbling is a key element - so this argument is sensless. To be a level 4 team you should have all the level 4 elements. If your child has every other level 4 skill except for tumbling then I guess they need to get into the gym confused

LadyW · Senior Member

I guess I wouldn't be so opposed to the 4.2 level -- if I knew for certain (like that will ever happen) that the level wouldn't be sandbaged. I can totally see (like stated above) a true level 4 team, also compete the mostly same routine in a 4.2.

Maybe, just maybe if they added the cavet (only X amout of cross overs) allowed in this division or something like that.

Date: Tue Sep 16 4:25 PM, 2008

LadyW wrote:

I guess I wouldn't be so opposed to the 4.2 level -- if I knew for certain (like that will ever happen) that the level wouldn't be sandbaged. I can totally see (like stated above) a true level 4 team, also compete the mostly same routine in a 4.2.

Maybe, just maybe if they added the cavet (only X amout of cross overs) allowed in this division or something like that.

Now see, I do agree with that! I hate gyms that sandbage! I can see if they need to replace a girl or two if they are sick or hurt, but for the whole season...please.....

Date: Tue Sep 16 4:34 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Tumbling is a key element - so this argument is sensless. To be a level 4 team you should have all the level 4 elements. If your child has every other level 4 skill except for tumbling then I guess they need to get into the gym

Tumbling is not a key element. It's one part of the routine. It's not all about the tumbling! Back in the day there was no tumbling....cheer was motions, stunts, pyramids and dance. Ok, maybe basic stuff.....if you wanted to tumble you did gymnastics. My point is, who cares if they add a new division? The kids don't care.....Those who have mastered that level in all the elements will be sent to a L5 team....you wait and see and I bet they come up with a L5.3.....Why not!

Date: Tue Sep 16 5:20 PM, 2008

I think it is a great idea, whatever works!

Date: Tue Sep 16 7:15 PM, 2008

If you don't think tumbling is a key element, then you are kidding yourself. In fact, it may be be the biggest part of cheer in today's age. Most money made is spent on privates for what..... TUMBLING!!!! I am not saying it is good, bad or indifferent, it is just a fact.

Date: Tue Sep 16 7:38 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

While I agree with your tought, I stiil think don't believe that is a good idea for the all star industry. Yes, not all people will learn to tumble, but if we start changing the standard s for the sport, it will just become more diluted. For example, some kids have the talent to make high school sports, but if not, their are other alternatives such as park and rec, little league, etc.... same for cheerleading. I do feel that everyone who wants to participate in allstars should get the opportunity, but that is what 1-4 levels are for. Tumbling is a huge part of the sport, especially when you get to level 4 and 5. So if you aren't as talented in that area, then maybe you should consider someting different or stay at a level in which you are strong in all the skills. if we keep making exceptions and lowing the bar, we might as well call ourselves popwarner cheer and call it a day.(Not that I don't feel pop warner is awesome, i just think that we have gotten this far with all star cheerleading, why screw it up now!!!) It seems to be just another ploy to make more money in an alraedy expensive industry.

Bla, Bla, Bla...............Bottom line: Yes, it is a way to keep girls in the All Stars and away to keep gyms open. Girls will ALWAYS want to cheer for their High Schools, however this gives them the chance to ALSO cheer for ALL STARs with out the tumbling. What's wrong with that? NOTHING! If it's costing you no money and only and extra 15-25 mins at a comp, who cares! Are you so selfish that you can not allow others to have fun and enjoy the sport they love? Get over your self! AND another thing, those who do pop warner are awsome! those parents have choosen a different rout for their kids and family. It does not mean they are any less and that is what you ment. All Star families put a lot of time and yes money into the sport and if that is what they want to do than they should be able too.

I don't think the post was being selfish, it was just looking at the big picture. I agree with it 100%, we already have levels 1 through 4, and if there isn't a fit for someone I don't think the answer is to add even more divisions.

Date: Tue Sep 16 7:54 PM, 2008

I agree with you too! we don't need anymore levels.

Date: Tue Sep 16 9:52 PM, 2008

Well, it is about keeping kids in a sport that maybe don't have the best resources to get the gymnastics they need, but the skills for stunting is there. They are working the system on this one, and that is what it's all about.

Date: Tue Sep 16 9:59 PM, 2008

I think its a great idea and will result in better tumbling technique. In stead of kids that dont have tumbling being on high teams because they can stunt where the focas is on higher level tumbling and being pushed to get a standing tuck before they even have a backhand spring with the proper technique. They can do the high stunts and still focas on basic tumbling and poper technique

Date: Tue Sep 16 10:11 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

I think its a great idea and will result in better tumbling technique. In stead of kids that dont have tumbling being on high teams because they can stunt where the focas is on higher level tumbling and being pushed to get a standing tuck before they even have a backhand spring with the proper technique. They can do the high stunts and still focas on basic tumbling and poper technique

I agree!

Date: Tue Sep 16 10:27 PM, 2008

I guess we'll just have to wait to see who benefits from this new division, and whether it really helps the sport or brings it down.

Date: Tue Sep 16 10:29 PM, 2008

the first team to announce they well be having one pride athletic champions

Date: Wed Sep 17 6:46 AM, 2008

That kind of says it all, less stress, less money, less practice time.... you can't tell me that doesn't weaken our sport.

Date: Wed Sep 17 7:02 AM, 2008

At this point it could be a mid-season team. Nothing wrong with that. smile

flipkidjudge · Senior Member

I actually saw it listed as early as late August elsewhere...well before the date of the initial e-mail.

Date: Wed Sep 17 9:50 AM, 2008

flipkidjudge wrote:

I actually saw it listed as early as late August elsewhere...well before the date of the initial e-mail.

Hmmm...... insider info? Not cool!

Date: Wed Sep 17 10:39 AM, 2008

There are actually going to be more changes within the season and for Worlds. I am not sure if they are going to effect this season or next season.