Bottom line people this division was created for these reasons:

1. Athletes are not putting the time or effort into their tumbling.

2. Coaches in ALL STARS need to emphasize conditioning and tumbling more in their program.

3. People need to learn to teach proper tumbling technique so they can move up levels.

Seriously the people attending these meetings need to think LONG TERM and not just about what happens during one season. You can't survive like that.

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I doubt we'd get into it this year but in the future I don't see why not.

Division credibility went away with the creation of Jr and Sr Prep back in the early 90's. So this 4.2 thing is just another adjustment that really can only help gyms around the country.

It's funny how we are all appauled by new divisions and then we all enter them. hehe.

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Being the outsider I am Danny, I am just wondering...if division credibility went away, and if division credibility will help truly level the field and legitimize the sport, then shouldn't that be the immediate focus, not making a new division just to make money? While resorting division cred is much harder in the long run I think (novice that I am to cheerleading) that it would be well worth it.

I also agree with you that as long as it remains a division people will eventually enter into it. But I also feel it will won't be the target audience but crossovers dropping down as opposed to struggling high school cheerleaders. The win will mean more that the intent of the rule makers.

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Legitimize the Sport?  I've always loved your quick wit FKJ!

I'd love to see it as much as the next.  Become legitimate that is.  But we have so many things wrong with our sport.  Not that I'm giving up but which divisions we have and whether or not you can use crossovers is the least of our worries. Wouldn't you agree?

Here's my list of the most pressing issues.  Until we solve these issues I am all for divisions like 4.2. If I could get back all the athletes that left us because they just didn't fit in anywhere we'd have to quadruple our gym space.

1. All Star cheerleading and its future are led by a biased group of people that control too much and have too much power. 
2. Our sport is incredibly misunderstood leading to undying stereotypes, crazy insurance rates, and financial arguments with customers that simply do not respect our sport.
3. We live in an era of children that want/demand more and more with less and less personal effort and accountability.  Our sport bends to accommodate this trend more than most other sports.
4. Cheerleading has turned into a sport of "Hey look at me", "look how great I am", "You wish you were me", type of performance sport.  I believe this is dangerous in any activity that is trying to become legitimate.

I apologize in advance if anyone disagrees with me.  You may have caught me on a bit of a jaded day.

Danny

 

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Thanks, Danny. I appreciate your honesty to put stuff out there and willingness to take the hit even if it goes against the status quo. My wit/sarcasm is admittedly influenced by having dealt with the same stuff before in gymnastics, as well as dealing with politics in church/convention type structures. You quickly learn how to see through the BS and know the difference between the selling point and the reason it (the true motivations) can't/won't be publicly proclaimed. You learn quickly that everyone has a private agenda. That is never the problem. The problem is what is on the agenda and how they seek to implement it.  So now the the segue....

1.) Could not agree more. What is the saying that absolute power corrupts absolutley? I am not sayng they are corrupt, but you def see a lot of things that make you go hmmmm. To me it is an outright lie when they claim they are not biased or that they are just looking out for the total good of the sport.

It has become a if you can't beat them (and you won't because they control the rules, the comps, the judges, and the gyms) join them mindset...not only in gyms, but in the power structure as well. As an aside I have a dear friend who was approached to be a vendor for a comp company.What an honor! When they refused and said they had decided to support an independent comp company she was sweated, pressed and pushed to reveal who it was. She did not reveal it, but in my mind I got the visual picture of a King demanding who would dare not serve him? The infidels must be bought...uhh...destroyed.

2.) I agree. I thnk some of that is our doing however as we seem very willing to push certain things with a devil mare care attitude, then complain when people rebel. We do things without think of who and what will come after us. I am trying to prepare my gym so that the tumbling director that follows me won't have to struggle with some of the same things I have. It is not all about right now today and deal with tommorrow when and if it comes. I think that type of approach could work well throughout our sport, especially with those leaders who are making the rules, setting the policies, etc.

3)  Again agreed. Here is what I see happening in the future. Gyms will need to set up a competive track and a non competitve track within the same program. Every team is not going to be a National Champion so as coaches we need to re-evaluate our motivation as well. They will have to find a way to make those programs peacefully coexist within their doors and not have the "red haired step child" feeling. The non competitve will have to be attractive enough to be a self sustaining feeder program. Without it the gym will die, which is one reason so many gyms are struggling today. The competitive side may have to split into local and national divisions, or will only have 1-2 teams truly going after World's or National Power status. But those teams will truly be those who want it, will train for it, and will pay for it.

4.) I get what you are saying here. Some of the things are too far over the top...somethings I won't even print. My question is how do we fix this? To what extent do we go? Do we go back to the cheerleading uniforms of the 50's and 60's? Do we leiglsate what the uniform must look like, or where they must by it from in order to be approved for a USASF sanctioned competition (gymnasts from the day will remeber this line....lol) Do we punish the kids via the score sheet for having fun/performing like they are punishing college and pro athletes for celebrating a big play? Do we distinguish whether a palm in one arm high V is just a motion, or a sign for GA All stars, or if used by any other team a slam at GA All stars so they must be penalized for it? Do we deduct points for certain coaches being overly exhuberant all during their teams performance jumping all over the place or place them in a "praise box" where they can go as nuts as they want as long as they don't step outside that box?

My point beng is when/if this started to be legislated those who are in your issue # 1 will find a way to get around it. So it will be the rest of us punished while they will continue to do what they want. Their pushing the boundries and rules will be accepted...seen as risque and bold...someone else be be penalized.

I look forward to meeting you one day Danny.

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Bottom line people this division was created for these reasons:

1. Athletes are not putting the time or effort into their tumbling.
NOT ALL ATHLETES OR THEIR FAMILIES CAN AFFORD TUMBLING CLASSES ON TOP OF ALL STAR AND OR HIGH SCHOOL COSTS. TIME IS ALSO A HUGE ISSUE WITH KIDS IN HIGH SCHOOL. THEY HAVE CLUBS, SPORTS, STUDENT GOVT, TONS OF HOMEWORK, AND JOBS.
THAT STAEMENT IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE AND UNFAIR.
THERE ARE PLENTY OF AMAZING CHEERLEADERS OUT THERE THAT HAVE MINIMUM OR NO TUMBLING SKILLS, BUT CAN STUNT LIKE CRAZY, JUMP HIGH, AND BUST OUT A DANCE, SO GIVE THESE KIDS A CHANCE. OBVIOUSLY USASF FEELS THE SAME OR THIS DIVISION NEVER WOULD OF BEEN CREATED. I AGREE IT DID COME LATE IN THE SEASON, BUT WE SHOULD GIVE IT A GO. JUST THINK OF ALL THE HIGH SCHOOL KIDS THAT CAN JOIN AFTER FOOTBALL SEASON AND FINALLY GET THEIR DREAM OF BEING ON AN ALL STAR TEAM WHERE THE CAN SHOW OFF THEIR STUNTING SKILLS WITHOUT GOUNG BACK TO JUST DOING AWESOMES AND FULLS.
2. Coaches in ALL STARS need to emphasize conditioning and tumbling more in their program.

3. People need to learn to teach proper tumbling technique so they can move up levels.

Seriously the people attending these meetings need to think LONG TERM and not just about what happens during one season. You can't survive like that.

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Yesterday I sat in my office and looked over every child that has left our program since I have been here trying to make sense of this new rule. I thopught maybe I was missing something. We have lost not one athlete because of the publicly stated reasons for this new division. Have we lost some cheerleaders to High School...sure. But not because they could not/would not tumble or their stunting ability was far superior to their tumbling. The reasons:

1.) The social aspect of High School cheerleading trumped All Stars for that child.
2.) They knew they would not make the All Star team they wanted to be on at tryouts in April/May, so High School cheerleading tryouts in July/August became an easier option than working hard and progressing through sound instruction and technique. Plus they got the summer off to relax. And saved their parents some money from not being at the gym throughout the summer.
3.) High School coaches telling kids that if they want to go to college and they chher, they must cheer at High School in order to get there. (I know...we still battle that every year)
4.) Parents who cheered in High School wanting their child to have that same experience.
5.) Parents who have not cheered in High School wanting their child to get that status oif being a High SChool cheerleader.
6.) Cost to cheer All Star vs cost to cheer High School. No doubt this is an issue everywhere. This is a real problem but not one I think creating a special division fixes.

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This division is a bunch of garbage and nonsense. Any real coach or real gym owner knows all and any money made in allstar cheer is from privates and tumbling classes. Division 4.2 is a sad attempt for competition origanizations to make a few extra dollars. Also it gives kids an easy way out. Hard work equals an all around heathly and well rounded young adult. This is a sport correct? Or atleast thats what we what to relay. Diet, exercise, and all-around progression should be important in this industry if we want it to be a "sport" and not an activity hobby or club.

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Exactly my point! Creating this division is like telling a gymnast you can move up to level 8 but you don't have to do beam or bars.

By the way, Danny when you brought Senior Prep and Junior Prep, those divisions were based by AGE, not by ability. Senior prep was always 16 and under. Huge difference.

USASF really needs to focus on the INTENT of each division. Senior Open and the Small gym divisions were CREATED for SMALL Gyms. Not for large or established gyms to put themselves in those divisions. Seriously doesn't Power have a Senior Open team in every level. I also Cheer Athletics have a Senior Open 2 or 3 as  well last season. We really should set some ground rules for the open and small gym divisions.

I read this on another board....

Hey all

I thought Id bring this to your attention. In our last USASF directors and committee meetings in Dallas it was expressed that the current competition levels are preventing gyms from expanding their market. Currently only 3% of all female athletes are involved in cheerleading nationally. The primary issue with expansion is that cheerleading has become too focused on tumbling skills. Studies are showing that gymnastics enrollment which is heavily skills based is flat and declining and likewise since the inception of Worlds and the increasingly higher requirements for tumbling, kids are not staying or worse, not even joining cheerleading gyms because they cannot achieve the high levels in tumbling necessary to receive recognition. Furthermore, higher fees/costs are pricing All Star out of the market for most families. It is well known that the largest gyms are typically located in the most affluent areas because the demographics support to high cost to the athletes. The industry is not targeting the larger addressable market with its current cost structure.

For a gym to be successful and competitive in the current rules they must:

1) Retain kids for a long period of time to obtain the skills that allow them to compete at the more visible levels

2) Locate in larger more expensive buildings that are often not in high traffic areas, requiring more expensive marketing

3) Pay more expensive salaries to obtain and retain tumbling coaches.

Event companies are required to host competitions is larger more expensive venues, offer costly spring floors, obtain expensive insurance, and higher skilled judges which are already in short supply.

In fact, the emphasis on tumbling is requiring a level of employee training at all levels of the industry that does not match with the economics of the cheerleading business at this time. To be successful in this climate All Star gyms in non affluent areas MUST offer other products which detract from the initial reason most coaches started their gyms. It is becoming increasing necessary to also provide jungle gyms, coffee shops, bounce houses, baby sitting services and more to keep the gym operating and afford the facilities necessary to train tumbling skills at a gymnastics level which then causes coaches to be become disenchanted with their business. Simply stated, gym owners are shutting down because they are no longer doing what they initially liked. Instead they are running daycare centers and other business that they originally had no experience with to keep the part of the business that they love alive and not getting paid or rewarded as much as they deserve for the risk and aggravation.

Therefore, the board has taken urgent action to add a new division called 4.2 at the request of many gym owners. This means that you can now develop and compete teams with level 4 stunting and level 2 tumbling skills. Collectively we urge gyms to develop these teams immediately and use them as a means to attract older athletes who want to stunt at the highest levels but who will not have sufficient time to develop their tumbling skills. The belief is that this will apply mostly to high school age students so Level 4.2 will only be available for Seniors this year. This allows athletes to perform and be recognized as higher level athletes but not be required to be in your program for 3-4 years to achieve it. It is anticipated that gym owners will be able to attract and retain a greater number of upper middle school and high school athletes as a result. We strongly recommend that you offer this team level as a upgrade and not a lesser opportunity. For more information about 4.2 go to www.usasf.net

Depending on the success and feedback at the end of the year, the USASF will look at altering this concept and adding additional divisions. Please note that it is a strong possibility that a 5.2 or similar divisor will be added to Worlds to further strengthen the importance of deemphasizing tumbling and ensure that it is perceived as an upgrade within your gyms, not a lesser option for weaker athletes.

For those of you who are very entrepreneurial what this means to you is that it may be possible to open satellite operations in local strip malls and recreational centers in the near future with limited mat area and capital investment to enable teaching of stunting and dance on flat floors. For those athletes that show the ability to tumble you can invite them to your elite facility but you will be able to operate multiple locations at a substantially lower capital and operational cost with lower prices to your customers which should build the market and interest in cheerleading. It is very possible that if this explodes you could see competitions without spring floors in the near future to address this market which will also lower competitions fees and further make it affordable to families to place their kids in cheerleading. The hope is to create a market where training requirements and facility requirements allow for the same level of proliferation as dance studios while maintaining the ability to offer elite services for those programs that can build up larger networks and afford the facilities necessary. Hopefully the number of total athletes in cheerleading will approach 5-10% through this approach.

Please feel free to email and comment on this as the year progresses. We are all very interested in building this market and increase participation. Your involvement is crucial to working collectively in building the industry. I will be glad to carry all your feedback to the meeting I attend over the year on this topic.

Best Regards
VP of Events
Jim Wargnier
Great Lakes Championships
866-FIRE-U-UP
www.greatlakesspirit.com

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flipkidjudge wrote:

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Bottom line people this division was created for these reasons:

1. Athletes are not putting the time or effort into their tumbling.
NOT ALL ATHLETES OR THEIR FAMILIES CAN AFFORD TUMBLING CLASSES ON TOP OF ALL STAR AND OR HIGH SCHOOL COSTS. TIME IS ALSO A HUGE ISSUE WITH KIDS IN HIGH SCHOOL. THEY HAVE CLUBS, SPORTS, STUDENT GOVT, TONS OF HOMEWORK, AND JOBS.
THAT STAEMENT IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE AND UNFAIR.
THERE ARE PLENTY OF AMAZING CHEERLEADERS OUT THERE THAT HAVE MINIMUM OR NO TUMBLING SKILLS, BUT CAN STUNT LIKE CRAZY, JUMP HIGH, AND BUST OUT A DANCE, SO GIVE THESE KIDS A CHANCE. OBVIOUSLY USASF FEELS THE SAME OR THIS DIVISION NEVER WOULD OF BEEN CREATED. I AGREE IT DID COME LATE IN THE SEASON, BUT WE SHOULD GIVE IT A GO. JUST THINK OF ALL THE HIGH SCHOOL KIDS THAT CAN JOIN AFTER FOOTBALL SEASON AND FINALLY GET THEIR DREAM OF BEING ON AN ALL STAR TEAM WHERE THE CAN SHOW OFF THEIR STUNTING SKILLS WITHOUT GOUNG BACK TO JUST DOING AWESOMES AND FULLS.
2. Coaches in ALL STARS need to emphasize conditioning and tumbling more in their program.

3. People need to learn to teach proper tumbling technique so they can move up levels.

Seriously the people attending these meetings need to think LONG TERM and not just about what happens during one season. You can't survive like that.

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Yesterday I sat in my office and looked over every child that has left our program since I have been here trying to make sense of this new rule. I thopught maybe I was missing something. We have lost not one athlete because of the publicly stated reasons for this new division. Have we lost some cheerleaders to High School...sure. But not because they could not/would not tumble or their stunting ability was far superior to their tumbling. The reasons:

1.) The social aspect of High School cheerleading trumped All Stars for that child.
2.) They knew they would not make the All Star team they wanted to be on at tryouts in April/May, so High School cheerleading tryouts in July/August became an easier option than working hard and progressing through sound instruction and technique. Plus they got the summer off to relax. And saved their parents some money from not being at the gym throughout the summer.
3.) High School coaches telling kids that if they want to go to college and they chher, they must cheer at High School in order to get there. (I know...we still battle that every year)
4.) Parents who cheered in High School wanting their child to have that same experience.
5.) Parents who have not cheered in High School wanting their child to get that status oif being a High SChool cheerleader.
6.) Cost to cheer All Star vs cost to cheer High School. No doubt this is an issue everywhere. This is a real problem but not one I think creating a special division fixes.

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This argument is completely off base. How can you be "an amazing cheerleader" if you little to NO tumbling. Sorry, having tumbling is a necessity.  Most of the problem is most of the athletes are not conditioned enough to handle high level tumbling. It's funny because in cheerleading we want to make EXCEPTIONS all the time. Your a good cheerleader but you can't stunt, or your a good cheerleader but you can't tumble. Sorry if you want the title of a "great cheerleader" then put the time and effort into it. We need to start defining the skills of a competitive cheerleader.

Doesn't matter anyway, we are going to continue down this path just like the  current election. Look at the "victims" and cater to their needs instead of looking at the kids that are working their butts off. Sorry a tumbling class is only $45.00-50 bucks a month. Next time you walk out of Abercrombie and Nordstrom with your Coach purse, don't complain about the cost of cheer.

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

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flipkidjudge wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

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Bottom line people this division was created for these reasons:

1. Athletes are not putting the time or effort into their tumbling.
NOT ALL ATHLETES OR THEIR FAMILIES CAN AFFORD TUMBLING CLASSES ON TOP OF ALL STAR AND OR HIGH SCHOOL COSTS. TIME IS ALSO A HUGE ISSUE WITH KIDS IN HIGH SCHOOL. THEY HAVE CLUBS, SPORTS, STUDENT GOVT, TONS OF HOMEWORK, AND JOBS.
THAT STAEMENT IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE AND UNFAIR.
THERE ARE PLENTY OF AMAZING CHEERLEADERS OUT THERE THAT HAVE MINIMUM OR NO TUMBLING SKILLS, BUT CAN STUNT LIKE CRAZY, JUMP HIGH, AND BUST OUT A DANCE, SO GIVE THESE KIDS A CHANCE. OBVIOUSLY USASF FEELS THE SAME OR THIS DIVISION NEVER WOULD OF BEEN CREATED. I AGREE IT DID COME LATE IN THE SEASON, BUT WE SHOULD GIVE IT A GO. JUST THINK OF ALL THE HIGH SCHOOL KIDS THAT CAN JOIN AFTER FOOTBALL SEASON AND FINALLY GET THEIR DREAM OF BEING ON AN ALL STAR TEAM WHERE THE CAN SHOW OFF THEIR STUNTING SKILLS WITHOUT GOUNG BACK TO JUST DOING AWESOMES AND FULLS.
2. Coaches in ALL STARS need to emphasize conditioning and tumbling more in their program.

3. People need to learn to teach proper tumbling technique so they can move up levels.

Seriously the people attending these meetings need to think LONG TERM and not just about what happens during one season. You can't survive like that.

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Yesterday I sat in my office and looked over every child that has left our program since I have been here trying to make sense of this new rule. I thopught maybe I was missing something. We have lost not one athlete because of the publicly stated reasons for this new division. Have we lost some cheerleaders to High School...sure. But not because they could not/would not tumble or their stunting ability was far superior to their tumbling. The reasons:

1.) The social aspect of High School cheerleading trumped All Stars for that child.
2.) They knew they would not make the All Star team they wanted to be on at tryouts in April/May, so High School cheerleading tryouts in July/August became an easier option than working hard and progressing through sound instruction and technique. Plus they got the summer off to relax. And saved their parents some money from not being at the gym throughout the summer.
3.) High School coaches telling kids that if they want to go to college and they chher, they must cheer at High School in order to get there. (I know...we still battle that every year)
4.) Parents who cheered in High School wanting their child to have that same experience.
5.) Parents who have not cheered in High School wanting their child to get that status oif being a High SChool cheerleader.
6.) Cost to cheer All Star vs cost to cheer High School. No doubt this is an issue everywhere. This is a real problem but not one I think creating a special division fixes.

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This argument is completely off base. How can you be "an amazing cheerleader" if you little to NO tumbling. Sorry, having tumbling is a necessity.  Most of the problem is most of the athletes are not conditioned enough to handle high level tumbling. It's funny because in cheerleading we want to make EXCEPTIONS all the time. Your a good cheerleader but you can't stunt, or your a good cheerleader but you can't tumble. Sorry if you want the title of a "great cheerleader" then put the time and effort into it. We need to start defining the skills of a competitive cheerleader.

Doesn't matter anyway, we are going to continue down this path just like the  current election. Look at the "victims" and cater to their needs instead of looking at the kids that are working their butts off. Sorry a tumbling class is only $45.00-50 bucks a month. Next time you walk out of Abercrombie and Nordstrom with your Coach purse, don't complain about the cost of cheer.

WOW!!!! YOU are the one off base. I know plenty of cheerleaders that shop at Wal Mart and Target so they can afford All-Star Cheer and they don't carry COACH purses, neither do thie Mothers.....the above person in pink was not complaining about the cost of cheer, just excited that there is an opportunity for those kids.............slow down and take a deep breath

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

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flipkidjudge wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

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Bottom line people this division was created for these reasons:

1. Athletes are not putting the time or effort into their tumbling.
NOT ALL ATHLETES OR THEIR FAMILIES CAN AFFORD TUMBLING CLASSES ON TOP OF ALL STAR AND OR HIGH SCHOOL COSTS. TIME IS ALSO A HUGE ISSUE WITH KIDS IN HIGH SCHOOL. THEY HAVE CLUBS, SPORTS, STUDENT GOVT, TONS OF HOMEWORK, AND JOBS.
THAT STAEMENT IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE AND UNFAIR.
THERE ARE PLENTY OF AMAZING CHEERLEADERS OUT THERE THAT HAVE MINIMUM OR NO TUMBLING SKILLS, BUT CAN STUNT LIKE CRAZY, JUMP HIGH, AND BUST OUT A DANCE, SO GIVE THESE KIDS A CHANCE. OBVIOUSLY USASF FEELS THE SAME OR THIS DIVISION NEVER WOULD OF BEEN CREATED. I AGREE IT DID COME LATE IN THE SEASON, BUT WE SHOULD GIVE IT A GO. JUST THINK OF ALL THE HIGH SCHOOL KIDS THAT CAN JOIN AFTER FOOTBALL SEASON AND FINALLY GET THEIR DREAM OF BEING ON AN ALL STAR TEAM WHERE THE CAN SHOW OFF THEIR STUNTING SKILLS WITHOUT GOING BACK TO JUST DOING AWESOMES AND FULLS.
2. Coaches in ALL STARS need to emphasize conditioning and tumbling more in their program.

3. People need to learn to teach proper tumbling technique so they can move up levels.

Seriously the people attending these meetings need to think LONG TERM and not just about what happens during one season. You can't survive like that.

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Yesterday I sat in my office and looked over every child that has left our program since I have been here trying to make sense of this new rule. I thopught maybe I was missing something. We have lost not one athlete because of the publicly stated reasons for this new division. Have we lost some cheerleaders to High School...sure. But not because they could not/would not tumble or their stunting ability was far superior to their tumbling. The reasons:

1.) The social aspect of High School cheerleading trumped All Stars for that child.
2.) They knew they would not make the All Star team they wanted to be on at tryouts in April/May, so High School cheerleading tryouts in July/August became an easier option than working hard and progressing through sound instruction and technique. Plus they got the summer off to relax. And saved their parents some money from not being at the gym throughout the summer.
3.) High School coaches telling kids that if they want to go to college and they chher, they must cheer at High School in order to get there. (I know...we still battle that every year)
4.) Parents who cheered in High School wanting their child to have that same experience.
5.) Parents who have not cheered in High School wanting their child to get that status oif being a High SChool cheerleader.
6.) Cost to cheer All Star vs cost to cheer High School. No doubt this is an issue everywhere. This is a real problem but not one I think creating a special division fixes.

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This argument is completely off base. How can you be "an amazing cheerleader" if you little to NO tumbling. Sorry, having tumbling is a necessity.  Most of the problem is most of the athletes are not conditioned enough to handle high level tumbling. It's funny because in cheerleading we want to make EXCEPTIONS all the time. Your a good cheerleader but you can't stunt, or your a good cheerleader but you can't tumble. Sorry if you want the title of a "great cheerleader" then put the time and effort into it. We need to start defining the skills of a competitive cheerleader.

Doesn't matter anyway, we are going to continue down this path just like the  current election. Look at the "victims" and cater to their needs instead of looking at the kids that are working their butts off. Sorry a tumbling class is only $45.00-50 bucks a month. Next time you walk out of Abercrombie and Nordstrom with your Coach purse, don't complain about the cost of cheer.

WOW!!!! YOU are the one off base. I know plenty of cheerleaders that shop at Wal Mart and Target so they can afford All-Star Cheer and they don't carry COACH purses, neither do thier Mothers.....the above person in pink was not complaining about the cost of cheer, just excited that there is an opportunity for those kids.............slow down and take a deep breath

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GLCC. My guess is every Varsity comp company will as well.

-- Edited by flipkidjudge at 18:23, 2008-09-14