Divisions...

LadyW · Senior Member

RE: Divisions...

Date: Thu Sep 11 9:32 AM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:
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oc has a small jr 4 as well as a small jr 5

Wow! are they planning on using a lot of crossovers?

i dont understand why gyms go level 5 just to go level 5, if i remember correctly oc had a large senior 5 tam last year that didnt have enough talent to be large so they went small and still didnt look that great so why try to make 2 level 5 teams?

Gyms go level 5 for status, recruitment and Worlds. Seriously Worlds has RUINED all star cheerleading. If your gym doesn't go, they are talked about and gyms recruit kids specifically for that event. I felt there was less drama without Worlds and all these levels.

oh i definitely agree with this. for some teams its just all about going to worlds. they dont care if there team doesnt have the talent to actually be in that level. seeing the teams that went to worlds. some of those dont have the talent at all to be level 5 and just because they have a couple doubles they think they should go level 5. when actually level 4 would be more suited for them and they would do incredibly well.

as a coach i look at the talent on my team and decide where they should be not where i want them to be.

Date: Thu Sep 11 11:08 AM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

oc has a small jr 4 as well as a small jr 5

Wow! are they planning on using a lot of crossovers?

i dont understand why gyms go level 5 just to go level 5, if i remember correctly oc had a large senior 5 tam last year that didnt have enough talent to be large so they went small and still didnt look that great so why try to make 2 level 5 teams?

Gyms go level 5 for status, recruitment and Worlds. Seriously Worlds has RUINED all star cheerleading. If your gym doesn't go, they are talked about and gyms recruit kids specifically for that event. I felt there was less drama without Worlds and all these levels.

oh i definitely agree with this. for some teams its just all about going to worlds. they dont care if there team doesnt have the talent to actually be in that level. seeing the teams that went to worlds. some of those dont have the talent at all to be level 5 and just because they have a couple doubles they think they should go level 5. when actually level 4 would be more suited for them and they would do incredibly well.

as a coach i look at the talent on my team and decide where they should be not where i want them to be.

I heard that they cross over their entire Junior 5 team to their Junior 4 team.

Date: Thu Sep 11 12:23 PM, 2008

YOU HEARD WRONG!!! There are only two crossovers.

Date: Thu Sep 11 2:09 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

YOU HEARD WRONG!!! There are only two crossovers.

But seriously they have enough kids to have two high level teams like that without crossing them over and over? hmmmm....

Do they have 20 on each team?

Date: Thu Sep 11 2:23 PM, 2008

As for the jr 5 they have 20 girls and jr 4 they have 17 I am not sure about senior 5. I think there may be 2or 3 crossovers from jr 5 to senior 5 but that is it. The jr 5 is quite talented. They seem to have some young talent on that team. As for OC... this is a new year and a new beginning. Good Luck to everyone!!! smile

Date: Thu Sep 11 2:36 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

As for the jr 5 they have 20 girls and jr 4 they have 17 I am not sure about senior 5. I think there may be 2or 3 crossovers from jr 5 to senior 5 but that is it. The jr 5 is quite talented. They seem to have some young talent on that team. As for OC... this is a new year and a new beginning. Good Luck to everyone!!!

That's good to hear! Wish them the best!

Date: Thu Sep 11 3:39 PM, 2008

Haven't heard anything about so cal? what divisions do they have?

Date: Fri Sep 12 7:02 PM, 2008

can we add all divisions? not just level 5 or 4.

Date: Fri Sep 12 7:38 PM, 2008

Sure!

Date: Fri Sep 12 9:11 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

oc has a small jr 4 as well as a small jr 5

Wow! are they planning on using a lot of crossovers?

i dont understand why gyms go level 5 just to go level 5, if i remember correctly oc had a large senior 5 tam last year that didnt have enough talent to be large so they went small and still didnt look that great so why try to make 2 level 5 teams?

Gyms go level 5 for status, recruitment and Worlds. Seriously Worlds has RUINED all star cheerleading. If your gym doesn't go, they are talked about and gyms recruit kids specifically for that event. I felt there was less drama without Worlds and all these levels.

oh i definitely agree with this. for some teams its just all about going to worlds. they dont care if there team doesnt have the talent to actually be in that level. seeing the teams that went to worlds. some of those dont have the talent at all to be level 5 and just because they have a couple doubles they think they should go level 5. when actually level 4 would be more suited for them and they would do incredibly well.

as a coach i look at the talent on my team and decide where they should be not where i want them to be.

I heard that they cross over their entire Junior 5 team to their Junior 4 team.

Honestly, who cares fierce, cheerforce, ca, power, cheergyms, airborne, titan, pace, magic, supreme, american all of these gyms have crossovers. It's just not a big deal, kids. Be happy that you have the kids that can cross over.

Date: Sat Sep 13 7:59 AM, 2008

exactly!

Date: Sat Sep 13 11:30 AM, 2008

I don't think crossovers are a big deal either, if you have kids willing to cheer on more than one team, more power to them. However, if gyms are taking an ENTIRE level 5 team and creating another team that is a lower level, I'm sorry, it's wrong. I'm not saying any particular gym is doing it, but if they are or they're considering it, it's just not right. You're either level 5 or you're level 4, and if you're level 4 I highly doubt you're going to take the same team and compete as 5. So odds are you're 5 and have no business competing against other level 4 teams. I'm sorry the USASF didn't spend time on THAT issue, but of course they won't because do they really care if gyms want to spend the money to compete in two divisions instead of one? No. And it's more about money than what is right, sadly.

flipkidjudge · Senior Member

Anonymous wrote:

I don't think crossovers are a big deal either, if you have kids willing to cheer on more than one team, more power to them. However, if gyms are taking an ENTIRE level 5 team and creating another team that is a lower level, I'm sorry, it's wrong. I'm not saying any particular gym is doing it, but if they are or they're considering it, it's just not right. You're either level 5 or you're level 4, and if you're level 4 I highly doubt you're going to take the same team and compete as 5. So odds are you're 5 and have no business competing against other level 4 teams. I'm sorry the USASF didn't spend time on THAT issue, but of course they won't because do they really care if gyms want to spend the money to compete in two divisions instead of one? No. And it's more about money than what is right, sadly.

That is why it is highly unlikely the crossover issue will ever go away. Too much money is made off of it at too many levels. It is like free money to everyone but the parents.

What makes it stink is that when one program crosses Level 5's down to Level 3 or 2, what do their competitiors do? Epsecially when that gym then markets their gym is better than yours because their Level 5's competing as 2's are better than your true Level 2's? What I have seen lately is a you kill my dog, I kill your cat reaction. Meaning if gym Super Large going to drop down 10 level 5's to Level 3 or 2, then Gym Small will do the same thing to at least give their team a competitve chance. Well then we blame the second gym but not the first.

What really stinks is gyms that have the numbers not to excessively use crossovers that do it, just for the easy win. Just because it is legal don't make it ethical.

Nelson · Senior Member

Anonymous wrote:

I don't think crossovers are a big deal either, if you have kids willing to cheer on more than one team, more power to them. However, if gyms are taking an ENTIRE level 5 team and creating another team that is a lower level, I'm sorry, it's wrong. I'm not saying any particular gym is doing it, but if they are or they're considering it, it's just not right. You're either level 5 or you're level 4, and if you're level 4 I highly doubt you're going to take the same team and compete as 5. So odds are you're 5 and have no business competing against other level 4 teams. I'm sorry the USASF didn't spend time on THAT issue, but of course they won't because do they really care if gyms want to spend the money to compete in two divisions instead of one? No. And it's more about money than what is right, sadly.

Just so everyone knows, OC only has 20 total athletes. They are all 26 years of age, all have standing double fulls (in a layout position), and we cross compete them in every single division. Senior 5, Senior 4, Senior 3, Senior 2, Senior 1, every single Senior Open Division, Senior 4.2, Junior 5, Junior 4, Junior 3, Junior 2, Junior 1, Youth 5, Youth 4, Youth 3, Youth 2, Youth 1, Mini 5, Mini 4, Mini 3, Mini 2, Mini 1, Tiny 5, Tiny 4, Tiny 3, Tiny 2, Tiny 1 and if the competition offers stunt group and individuals, we register in those divisions as well. We have fake ID's so we're not worried about getting caught.

And if we do get caught, we'll obviously just give the competition company more money so they won't say anything.

Oh yeah, and every athlete is free except for 3 of them. They have to pay full price because they aren't blonde.

That's just how we roll.

-- Edited by Nelson at 16:14, 2008-09-13

Date: Sat Sep 13 7:14 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

I don't think crossovers are a big deal either, if you have kids willing to cheer on more than one team, more power to them. However, if gyms are taking an ENTIRE level 5 team and creating another team that is a lower level, I'm sorry, it's wrong. I'm not saying any particular gym is doing it, but if they are or they're considering it, it's just not right. You're either level 5 or you're level 4, and if you're level 4 I highly doubt you're going to take the same team and compete as 5. So odds are you're 5 and have no business competing against other level 4 teams. I'm sorry the USASF didn't spend time on THAT issue, but of course they won't because do they really care if gyms want to spend the money to compete in two divisions instead of one? No. And it's more about money than what is right, sadly.

I don't know of one gym that ever did that. Not one!

Date: Sat Sep 13 7:29 PM, 2008

smile Go Nelson!!!

Date: Sat Sep 13 7:56 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I don't think crossovers are a big deal either, if you have kids willing to cheer on more than one team, more power to them. However, if gyms are taking an ENTIRE level 5 team and creating another team that is a lower level, I'm sorry, it's wrong. I'm not saying any particular gym is doing it, but if they are or they're considering it, it's just not right. You're either level 5 or you're level 4, and if you're level 4 I highly doubt you're going to take the same team and compete as 5. So odds are you're 5 and have no business competing against other level 4 teams. I'm sorry the USASF didn't spend time on THAT issue, but of course they won't because do they really care if gyms want to spend the money to compete in two divisions instead of one? No. And it's more about money than what is right, sadly.

I don't know of one gym that ever did that. Not one!

It was a response to the post that said they heard it was done with a Junior team. I agree, I don't know of a gym that did that either, but I know of a couple gyms that came close. It's just unfortunate the USASF didn't set some kind of guidelines like some of us were hoping for; like maybe crossovers are fine if at the same level, or only a percent can be on multi levels.

Date: Mon Sep 15 8:30 AM, 2008

Nelson wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I don't think crossovers are a big deal either, if you have kids willing to cheer on more than one team, more power to them. However, if gyms are taking an ENTIRE level 5 team and creating another team that is a lower level, I'm sorry, it's wrong. I'm not saying any particular gym is doing it, but if they are or they're considering it, it's just not right. You're either level 5 or you're level 4, and if you're level 4 I highly doubt you're going to take the same team and compete as 5. So odds are you're 5 and have no business competing against other level 4 teams. I'm sorry the USASF didn't spend time on THAT issue, but of course they won't because do they really care if gyms want to spend the money to compete in two divisions instead of one? No. And it's more about money than what is right, sadly.

Just so everyone knows, OC only has 20 total athletes. They are all 26 years of age, all have standing double fulls (in a layout position), and we cross compete them in every single division. Senior 5, Senior 4, Senior 3, Senior 2, Senior 1, every single Senior Open Division, Senior 4.2, Junior 5, Junior 4, Junior 3, Junior 2, Junior 1, Youth 5, Youth 4, Youth 3, Youth 2, Youth 1, Mini 5, Mini 4, Mini 3, Mini 2, Mini 1, Tiny 5, Tiny 4, Tiny 3, Tiny 2, Tiny 1 and if the competition offers stunt group and individuals, we register in those divisions as well. We have fake ID's so we're not worried about getting caught.

And if we do get caught, we'll obviously just give the competition company more money so they won't say anything.

Oh yeah, and every athlete is free except for 3 of them. They have to pay full price because they aren't blonde.

That's just how we roll.

-- Edited by Nelson at 16:14, 2008-09-13
Hey Nels, sign me up! I have an awesome headstand through to double front roll. That should place me on any level 7 team. My mad tumbling skill was good enough to be on the Chinese women's gymnastics team but I hadn't mastered the art form of birth-certificate manipulation so they cut me because I am 16. I'll send some white-out with my birth certificate incase it rains in route and the new age, birth year on my birth certificate gets smudged.
Seriously, thanks for your post. Miss your sense of humor around here.

Date: Tue Sep 16 11:45 PM, 2008

What divisions will Pacific Coast Cheer be in this year?