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I'm sorry, I'm finding this point of view hilarious.  Have you ever been to a professional football game??   While these girls may work very hard, I can assure you that the males in the stands could care less about their dancing skills.  They're not using their binoculars to focus on the cheering techniques of these girls.  They're not posing for pictures with these girls because they appreciate and respect their athleticism.   This is not a direction I would ever want my daughter to go in, and thankfully she's not interested either. 

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It's true I love this post. 

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Me, too!

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Sorry! I lost my train of thought above. I meant to say that if my daughter wanted to pursue this dream I would definitely support her.

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If her dream was to pose for playboy and live in Hefner's mansion, would you support that too? Just curious......

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Ok, so let me get this straight...first, we're comparing professional cheerleaders to all star cheer...now, we're comparing Hef's girls to professional cheerleaders...so does that mean that now you want to compare all star cheerleaders to the playboy bunnies too?

I'll leave you alone to ponder on how rediculous and SIMPLE you sound. Let's leave Hef out of this one, mmk?

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All star cheerleaders don't pose for pictures with intoxicated males, and don't come out with calendars.  People come to see them compete.  That's what they do, they compete.  I think it is you who sounds ignorant and simple.

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get rest and try this again tomorrow.  learn to respect the opinions of others and leave the stank attitude out of it. 

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Whatever,  no attitude here.  Just truth.  If you want popularity with some really vulgar guys, who are thinking some really nasty thoughts about these girls.  For goodness sake, go pro.  And I guess you could call the bunnies that hang out at the ol' mans ranch they could be considered pro cheerleaders by definition.  Nope, all star athletes, no even in the same boat. 

Here is something I think we all need to remember and I think I speak for most parents when I say we would never put our underaged girls into the small pro uniforms and let them cheer in front of drunk men. However when these girls grow up and become women, it then becomes their choice to become a professional cheerleader or even a bunny. So yes the uniforms are small, and yes there are drunk vulgar men who want to take pictures with you. But as an adult woman we know the pros and cons to becoming a pro cheerleader or any job for that matter. So while everyone is getting all upset and nasty, these professionals are adults, not children. I know a few girls who were Raiderettes and Gold Rush girls while they were in college and they are now Teachers and Nurses. Their parents were always 100% supportive and they now have great carrers. They wouldn't trade their pro experience for anything.

Something else I keep thinking when reading all these posts....I was watching re-runs of Girls Next Door a couple of days ago. It was the episode where they named the Playmate Of The Year. I found it amazing and wonderful how incredibly supportive all the girls parents are. I would hope that if that were my dream (or any dream for that matter) and I acheived it, as an adult, that my parents would be that supportive and I can honestly say they would be.

No the pro cheerleaders, bunnies and All Star cheerleaders are not in the same boat. I think us in the All Star world are all in aggreance that you cannot and should not compare the three. But can we as mature adults try and be respectful of the choices these women make and of the opinions of others?

Thank you =)

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but it is still hard work and I feel these professionals need to be respected for what they do.

 

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Cheertyme owner, I disagree with this and your last post.  Just because someone makes a decision as an adult does not mean we need to respect their choice.  It is the price they pay for making that choice.  I'm glad certain professions are not always well-respected -- it helps to discourage young minds from making the same choices.

 

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Thank you for your post. Yes you are correct, you have every right to not respect their choice. But isn't it easier to just agree to disagree with them all while still respecting them? It is their choice and they should be respected and not compared to bunnies or bashed for making that choice.

Take the sexual connotation and drunk men out of it. If you disagreed with womans choice to become a cop or join the military would you still then not respect the woman for making that choice and choosing to follow her dreams? I feel these women deserve to be respected just as we all deserve to be respected for choosing to be in the All Star world. Doesn't it make you mad when you are not respected for your choices or opinions. I never said you needed to agree with the choice but we as women need to respect each other for making choices, following dreams, and having opinons. It was not all that long ago that we didn't have the right to choose or hold our own opinions.

I for one have never been a pro cheerleader, but I know it is hard work. For that to I need to respect them. I know I work hard for my gym and hope I will be respected for it even if someone disagrees with my choice to own a gym.

I think it is not about weather we agree with the "job" itself, I am not asking every one to agree that these "jobs" are wonderful and perfect. I just think as women we need to respect women for having opinions and making choices that are right for them. How many parents out there hated cheerleading/cheerleaders when growing up, or how many dads wished their girls played baseball or golf instead of cheering. But we support our kids without question because it is something they love. And because of that we grow to love it also.

You said "it is the price they pay for making that choice" I agree, however, I don't think these bunnies or pro cheerleaders feel they are really paying a price. It is the price we pay to open our wallets almost without question for our All Star gyms, and it is the price we pay spending hundreds of hours in the gym and in our cars commuting to and from. But most of my kids/parents don't feel they are paying a price because it is something they and their kids love.

I agree that some of the disrespect to the jobs is extremely helpful in discouraging young minds...But they are just that young minds and they should be discouraged...until they are adults and have the right to make the choice for themselves. And at that point they should be respected.

Thank you again for your post. =)

Do professional cheerleaders make enough money to support themselves?  I thought they only got like $100.00 a game or something. Thats why my girlfriends went while in college it gave them a little spending money while doing something they enjoyed.

I understand your feelings on your daughter wanting to choose professional cheerleading over college. My parents always supported my decision to coach cheerleading as long as I had an education to fall back on. Thats why nursing school is in my near future.

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Maybe that's why there are so many of those videos out there, and those awful raunchy reality shows... because of all the "supportive" parents.  Just another point of view.   

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i think i have to disagree with you.  i don't think its about parents supporting a child's/young adult's decisions at all.  or at least not in the majority of cases.  i think its about whether or not the parents educated their children to make decisions for themselves that will affect themselves and those around them in a positive way.  if i woke up one day and decided to pose nude for playboy, would my mother support my decision?  i don't know.  but would i do it?  nope.  and why not?  because she taught me from a very young age that being a strong independent woman meant standing up for what i believe in while being open to others opinions and differences, and being a positive role model for those around me by leading by example.  i've learned that i'm not an "object" for people to use.  and i've learned that in order to gain the respect of others i need to respect myself and my body.

now i know i'm COMPLETELY off topic, but i really feel that young adults WILL make their own decisions, with or without parental support.  i know parents can take away liberties, college funds, cars, etc., but i know (i'm only 21) that the ONLY reason i've made the decisions i've made (i don't smoke, drink, etc.) is because i've been allowed to make my own decisions, but i've been educated to what consequences i might face in the real world should i choose a more destructive path.

i know, WAY off topic.  but i wanted to share my 2 cents.

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Maybe that's why there are so many of those videos out there, and those awful raunchy reality shows... because of all the "supportive" parents.  Just another point of view.   

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i think i have to disagree with you.  i don't think its about parents supporting a child's/young adult's decisions at all.  or at least not in the majority of cases.  i think its about whether or not the parents educated their children to make decisions for themselves that will affect themselves and those around them in a positive way.  if i woke up one day and decided to pose nude for playboy, would my mother support my decision?  i don't know.  but would i do it?  nope.  and why not?  because she taught me from a very young age that being a strong independent woman meant standing up for what i believe in while being open to others opinions and differences, and being a positive role model for those around me by leading by example.  i've learned that i'm not an "object" for people to use.  and i've learned that in order to gain the respect of others i need to respect myself and my body.

now i know i'm COMPLETELY off topic, but i really feel that young adults WILL make their own decisions, with or without parental support.  i know parents can take away liberties, college funds, cars, etc., but i know (i'm only 21) that the ONLY reason i've made the decisions i've made (i don't smoke, drink, etc.) is because i've been allowed to make my own decisions, but i've been educated to what consequences i might face in the real world should i choose a more destructive path.

i know, WAY off topic.  but i wanted to share my 2 cents.

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Great points!  Your posts are always witten so well!!

To anon above, you are correct I would be horrified if my child showed up in one of those GGW videos.  But do you think those girls have the support of their parents??  Do you think their parents have taught them right from wrong??  If those girls had the support and good teaching of their parents they may not have made the choice to participate in the GGW video.  Thank you for your point of view, I hadn't looked at it like that. 

As a parent, if my daughter wanted to pose for Playboy, YES I WOULD SUPPORT HER. If you do watch the GIRLS NEXT DOOR, you would see that these young ladies also work hard. This is (to me) simply modeling nude. Hef didn't make this business as big as it is with attitudes that were like they were in the 20s and 30s. These woman go on to become business women, teachers, and more! They shouldn't ever be embarassed. The womans body is a beautiful thing and is never an embarassment. At least not to me anyway. But then again, I am very very open minded. Maybe a little too much for everyones liking, but this is me. And anything my daughter wants to do, I will be right behind her.
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Yes a womans body is a beautiful thing.  That is why I've teaching my daughter to also respect it.  Your comments floored me a little.  In a society that still treats women like a commodity and sex sells this is not what I want for my kid.    Also give me a break using the GIRLS NEXT DOOR as shinning example is ridiculous.   Posing nude for playboy what an accomplishment to brag about for the rest of your life.  If my daughter came to me and told me that she had posed nude for playboy I would be extremely disapointed in her.  Would I love her less no.  Would I expess my disapointment hell yes.  I usually enjoy reading your post.  But on this one you miss the mark.  There is a lot I'd like to say but honestly I'm left a little speechless after reading your post.