Kids Leaving allstars and Pop Warner for High School Cheer

Date: Sat Jul 12 5:24 AM, 2008

RE: Kids Leaving allstars and Pop Warner for High School Cheer

Date: Sat Jul 12 3:03 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

I think this kind of mom/parent exists at more than one gym. It sounds a lot like one that used to be at our gym but she is not in the sacramento area.

Funny. Didn't post before but this Mom sounds like a Mom at our gym last year (not this year. Thank goodness!) and not Sacto area.

Date: Sun Jul 13 4:16 PM, 2008

is this a joke?

Date: Sun Jul 13 4:21 PM, 2008

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Go ahead hate if you must but I was a cheerleader in high school it was the best everything you would guess and them some. Always invited to all the best parties the magic of Friday nights with football season the pick of all the best guys in school. Their was statice in dating a cheerleader. It was a blast. If my daughter wants to leave allstar in highschool so be it. I would hope she has the same experince I had.

Ok, PLEASE!!!! I coach several schools and love them all to death but the majority of them are not the CREAM OF CROP for popularity. They inivite WHO they want to , not just cause your in a skirt. This isn't Saved by the Bell with Kelly and Lisa going to the Friday night game and invited back to Slaters house for a bash. Get your mind out of the 80's and 90s. Soo not like that anymore. People like you for who you are, not the skirt that is on. "wear the skirt to flirt"

I agree...that sounds soooo 80's!!

Date: Mon Jul 14 11:11 AM, 2008

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Go ahead hate if you must but I was a cheerleader in high school it was the best everything you would guess and them some. Always invited to all the best parties the magic of Friday nights with football season the pick of all the best guys in school. Their was statice in dating a cheerleader. It was a blast. If my daughter wants to leave allstar in highschool so be it. I would hope she has the same experince I had.

Ok, PLEASE!!!! I coach several schools and love them all to death but the majority of them are not the CREAM OF CROP for popularity. They inivite WHO they want to , not just cause your in a skirt. This isn't Saved by the Bell with Kelly and Lisa going to the Friday night game and invited back to Slaters house for a bash. Get your mind out of the 80's and 90s. Soo not like that anymore. People like you for who you are, not the skirt that is on. "wear the skirt to flirt"
I agree...that sounds soooo 80's!!

High School Cheer vs. All-Star Cheer...my thoughts
1. H.S. girls get to cheer with girls their own age.
2. Girls over 12, or average size girls, get to fly

Date: Mon Jul 14 2:13 PM, 2008

Everyone on the senior teams I coach are at all 13 and older with the majority of them being in high school.

Date: Mon Jul 14 2:23 PM, 2008

Consider yourself lucky, sadly this isn't the case on a lot of the Sr. teams in our area
We have Sr. Teams with mostly Jr. high or freshman age girls, we even had to go open cuz our two of our flyers were 8 & 9

Date: Mon Jul 14 4:05 PM, 2008

I don't really look at age, I look at at talent. If the 16 year old girls aren't cutting it, I will look at the younger kids to put up as a coach. The other girls can do Preps and Extensions all the want, but bad flyers deserve to stay on the ground.

Date: Mon Jul 14 4:06 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Consider yourself lucky, sadly this isn't the case on a lot of the Sr. teams in our area
We have Sr. Teams with mostly Jr. high or freshman age girls, we even had to go open cuz our two of our flyers were 8 & 9

I've heard Power and cheergyms.com have open teams this year. Are they all senior open teams?

Date: Mon Jul 14 4:18 PM, 2008

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I don't really look at age, I look at at talent. If the 16 year old girls aren't cutting it, I will look at the younger kids to put up as a coach. The other girls can do Preps and Extensions all the want, but bad flyers deserve to stay on the ground.

just because girls grow does NOT mean they are bad...please be nice

Date: Mon Jul 14 4:21 PM, 2008

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I don't really look at age, I look at at talent. If the 16 year old girls aren't cutting it, I will look at the younger kids to put up as a coach. The other girls can do Preps and Extensions all the want, but bad flyers deserve to stay on the ground.

who sad they were bad..that was rude

what if they were amazing, but just grew

Date: Mon Jul 14 4:30 PM, 2008

What are the two of you talking about? The person wrote that they don't look at solely age to decide who to put up in the air. If a flyer is 6 or 16 and good, they go up. On the flip side, if the flyer is 6 or 16 and bad, they stay on the ground. He/she didn't write anything about being bad just because the cheerleader is older. Geez louis! How about we start reading what is actually written?

Date: Mon Jul 14 4:48 PM, 2008

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What are the two of you talking about? The person wrote that they don't look at solely age to decide who to put up in the air. If a flyer is 6 or 16 and good, they go up. On the flip side, if the flyer is 6 or 16 and bad, they stay on the ground. He/she didn't write anything about being bad just because the cheerleader is older. Geez louis! How about we start reading what is actually written?

thank You! If I have all 16 year olds doing bow and arrow doubles with ease then they will fly. If they don't look good in the air, I don't care how nice they are, they need to be basing or backspotting instead. The one difference in all stars compared to high school is you need all the flyers to be amazing. High school teams can get away with putting a random girl up at a game and the crowd goes crazy. I coached high school and you can put up girls into easier stunts but in all stars you have CRAZY transitions so you need the best of the best.

Date: Sat Jul 19 2:02 AM, 2008

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Ok I feel that I need to speak up on behalf of both All star cheer and High school cheer. First off where I live (in the valley) our pop warner teams when I was the "pop warner" age were not very competitive nor were they very good. One team had a "decent" reputation but even at that age I wanted to be on a good team but have fun at the same time. "Decent" wasn't an option so I joined our local all-star cheer team. Here I was a little 5th grader, no previous cheer experience, no tumbling experience and def no flying experience. So for 5th and 6th grade I did one all star team and switched to another one for 7th and 8th grade. Yes I did love it but of coarse I wanted to go with another bigger more exciting team so for 9th and 10th grade I was with another more well known all star team. My skills improved so much from the time I first started till the time I was in the 10th grade. But I can't credit all-star completely, but instead credit that LAST all-star team I was on. They were the ones to push me and have the coaching styles that worked best for me. But with that came even more practice time (extra tumbling classes) and a commute since the gym was about a half an hour from my house. I didn't mind but as a high school student, I have homework, school activities and a little social life!!! So my Junior year was coming and it was too hard to keep up with the all-star team. Yes practices were only twice a week but with my extra tumbling class (sometimes two) and with practices always being in the evening I just felt that it was too much for me to handle so I went to my high school team for what was supposed to only be for one year. I ended up loving it and so I stayed there and now I'm getting ready to cheer for them for my Senior year.
My point is that I never loved one more than the other...THERE ARE ADVANTAGES TO BOTH!!! If you've never done both, you have no room to talk and if your "Mom" did one and hates the other based on her past experience, chances are that times have WAY CHANGED since then so really you have no room to talk either. Speaking from actual experience (and it's not just me either because there are like 10 of us that came from all-star this year alone) I have found that the pros to all-star are; focusing on the same routine, being at your accurate level of your skill, having the opportunity to grow as a family since you can start at such and early age and end at such an older age, the bonds you make with these girls because you have cheered with them since you were like 4 or 5 years old, better facilities, always having a place to practice, participating in some of the best competitions in the state as well as in the world. These are all great reasons to stay with all-star.
Pro's to High school; actually getting to use your choreography skills and teach routines to your team mates, being involved in school activities first hand since the pep squad is usually asked to be at all different events, going to cheer camp and having the time of your life, making friends that are actually your own age and getting to see them on a regular basis, having more time for homework and HAVING to keep your grades since most high schools have a no F and above a 2.0gpa rule, cheering and performing in front of your peers at both games and rallies, the excitement of making playoffs or even homecoming events where the stands are packed, doing side line dances and stunts that are similar to a lot of colleges out there, always learning new material for a new half time routine, gaining experience with not just dance but with cheering on your crowd with signs and megaphones and other spirit items (our coach makes us do this because he feels school spirit is our #1 priority when we are not on the comp floor) and of coarse still getting to compete if your high school team is a comp cheer team.
So you see there are pro's to both all-star and high school and they can not compete with each other. High school cheer will NEVER be all-star cheer and all star cheer will NEVER be high school cheer, they are different. I used to be one of those girls that talked down about high school till I got there and I now respect both. My high school team competes intermediate however this year my coach is pushing us to get our skills down so we can try going advanced for at least one or two comps this year. We do have a tumbling coach so our skills are still getting used and pushed to help us get better.
To answer your question on how to get girls to stop leaving all star, you can't. Like I said it's up to the cheerleader to see what she wants to do. There are pros and cons to both and like I said earlier they don't compare to one another. So please just respect the fact that they are different and that both are good and don't take it so personnal when someone leaves one for the other.

THANK YOU!

Did your team go to worlds this year and did like all but three of the girls on your worlds team quit to go to high school cheer this year?

I wasn't on an all star team this year. I was on one my 5th thru sophomore year in high school. I'm going to be a Senior this year so it was two years ago when I was last on an all-star team and YES we went to worlds that year!

Date: Thu Jul 24 10:53 AM, 2008

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My question: How can a school that calls their cheer program a "club" dictate what a "club" member does on their own free time? Most girls on high school dance teams are encouraged to be involved with dance studios. They also compete with those studios. I can't help but think it's an ego thing with some (not all) high school coaches.

They can't. Which is why it blows me away when Parents are okay with this. Who's to say what your child can do on their own free time? All its going to take is a parent grabbing a lawyer and taking it to the school board and telling them that what their child does on their free time is their business.

Already has happened in other states. Just waiting for the parent or parent(s) to step up and pursue this. Lawsuits have been filed before. I am not sure why parents haven't done anything in this area about. I mean it is Northern CAlifornia, people are so liberal so why not take this on haha

Honestly I think they need to make high school cheer an official sport so they can LIMIT the amount of competitions they go to and when they can practice. They do this in the state of Georgia, West Virgina and Nevada. It really helps regulate the school cheerleading arena so those coaches/advisors don't get out of control like some have already gotten.

I have witnessed several parents try and take on the HS coaches and the school always sides with them. Most of them have been there for years so the school just thinks "just another crazy parent" What's worse is that athlete no matter how talented ends up not making it again or being hidden the entire routine. This actually happend!
It's sad. HS Cheer is political. It's who your parents had ****tails with last weekend that determines you making the squad or not. As a former HS & All Star Cheerleader and having been a HS & now an All Star Coach. It is sad to work so hard on a girl to get her advanced skills only to have them go over to HS hand that skill to a less experienced coach and watch them get out of shape, become lazy, and loose the skills they worked so hard for. Most schools on the area dont compete higher than Intermediate. So half the time they cant even use their skills. I am not hating on HS Cheer I know there are some amazing programs and coaches out there. I just wish it was not about the short skirt & parties and more about the love of the sport.

CheerTyme Owner · Senior Member

This is happening to us right now. One of my girls made her HS squad and they are not allowing her to cheer for us at the same time. I think it is horrible, if anything it will make her a better cheerleader to cheer for both so I cannot understand why HS's make this a rule. She is put in such a hard situation and is having to make such a huge decision. I feel bad that I can't do anything but give the family advice on how to fight the rule.

Date: Fri Jul 25 6:17 AM, 2008

THe reason HS's don't allow for both is time and more inmportantly district rules..
If a cheerleader were on both HS and all star she typically will have practice 3 days a week MOn, tues, wed with games on thursday or friday. This may or may not include competition practice. Any coach really would want a cheerleader to give 100% to whatever team she is on not 60/40 or 80/20. TO have the HS expereience, hs practice and games (basketball season too which is horrid) and competition while trying to keep a good grade point average is really hard. The main focus should be there education and whatever it takes to get into college. ANyone saying not all kids are going to college, then it is our job to encourage young women especially to do that. I may get screemed at for this comment but the first focus should not be killing our kids to do two teams and focus on cheerleading rather than focus on school. I know in our district it is a legue rule we can't be on both. I konw we don't want to make kids pick one or the other but sometimes the adults need to step in and parent and guide the decision process of trying to push to hard and let the kids make the choice of one team or another. commit to one team and give 100% to one team..You may find many kids much less stressed.

Amac · Veteran Member

until cheerleading is considered like a sport in the state of california, high schools have no legal standing in saying you can or cant do both. even if YOUR school considers it a sport, there are recognized sanctioned events for high school cheer in california. if there were, then the schools would have the right to say you cant compete in a club sport and a school sport at the same time (even though i know a lot of soccer players who did), but until then, the schools have no legal say in what you or your child can do outside of school.

will it cause problems at your school? probably. is it difficult to keep up with school and be that busy? yes. is it do-able for some people? yes. and is it too hard for others? yes.

but to each his own. hats off to you if you make it work.

Date: Fri Jul 25 8:07 AM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

THe reason HS's don't allow for both is time and more inmportantly district rules..
If a cheerleader were on both HS and all star she typically will have practice 3 days a week MOn, tues, wed with games on thursday or friday. This may or may not include competition practice. Any coach really would want a cheerleader to give 100% to whatever team she is on not 60/40 or 80/20. TO have the HS expereience, hs practice and games (basketball season too which is horrid) and competition while trying to keep a good grade point average is really hard. The main focus should be there education and whatever it takes to get into college. ANyone saying not all kids are going to college, then it is our job to encourage young women especially to do that. I may get screemed at for this comment but the first focus should not be killing our kids to do two teams and focus on cheerleading rather than focus on school. I know in our district it is a legue rule we can't be on both. I konw we don't want to make kids pick one or the other but sometimes the adults need to step in and parent and guide the decision process of trying to push to hard and let the kids make the choice of one team or another. commit to one team and give 100% to one team..You may find many kids much less stressed.

Does this mean your district considers cheer a sport?

Date: Fri Jul 25 11:10 AM, 2008

yes and no. THey make us follow all the guidelines and sign the athletic forms but since we don't comepete with teams in our league it's not. Very stupid but it is what it is and they have the final say.