Is it true?

Date: Fri Jul 4 10:45 PM, 2008

Is it true?

Date: Fri Jul 4 10:59 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Nor Cal youth is going level 5? Are they ready for that?

hopefuly they are. i hate when teams compete levels they are not ready for

Date: Fri Jul 4 11:47 PM, 2008

Well i love when teams challenge themselves, so lets just see what happpens

Date: Sat Jul 5 12:50 AM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Well i love when teams challenge themselves, so lets just see what happpens

its one thing to challange your self and its anothere to go out with like 3 fulls and only 2 flyers that can actually doule down the rest full down and some dont even do extended stunts. Ive seen it before and its not cute. Bottom line is dont push a team if they are not realy.

Date: Sat Jul 5 6:23 AM, 2008

maybe they will only have 5 people on the team then.

Date: Sat Jul 5 6:31 AM, 2008

Good for NorCal. Why not go for the max. Especially, at the youth level. There will be little competitin for them this season in Nor Cal. They will qualify easily for Worlds and say they have a World caliber team. Great Marketing Strategy if you ask me.

Date: Sat Jul 5 6:35 AM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Good for NorCal. Why not go for the max. Especially, at the youth level. There will be little competitin for them this season in Nor Cal. They will qualify easily for Worlds and say they have a World caliber team. Great Marketing Strategy if you ask me.

youth cant go to worlds

Date: Sat Jul 5 7:11 AM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Good for NorCal. Why not go for the max. Especially, at the youth level. There will be little competitin for them this season in Nor Cal. They will qualify easily for Worlds and say they have a World caliber team. Great Marketing Strategy if you ask me.

lol...well, what they usually do is go the levels where they won't have competition....brag about all their 1st places...then when they finally do have competition, they get creamed. lol

Date: Sat Jul 5 7:26 AM, 2008

Go the levels where they don't have competition? I don't recall them switching levels between competitions, they stayed their levels all season long, so I don't get this comment.Q

Date: Sat Jul 5 8:09 AM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Good for NorCal. Why not go for the max. Especially, at the youth level. There will be little competitin for them this season in Nor Cal. They will qualify easily for Worlds and say they have a World caliber team. Great Marketing Strategy if you ask me.

lol...well, what they usually do is go the levels where they won't have competition....brag about all their 1st places...then when they finally do have competition, they get creamed. lol

I don't have a cheerleader in this program nor do I know a single staffperson that is associated with this entire program. I was the one that talked about the Marketing strategy.

Getting back the marketing strategy. Yes this is a great strategy.

Senario:
1. Team A - a level 2/3 youth team with full squad BHS.
2.  Team B - a level 4/5 youth team with two running fulls and 1/3 can do
                    standing tucks.
3. The cheerleader has 3/4 tumbling skills.

What team would the cheerleader try out for?

It has been the trend with these cheerleaders (and their parents) to push to the next level. The cheerleader will probably try out for the next level and leave the gym that had the full squad BHS at the 2/3 level.

Parents/cheerleaders do not think like a coach or an owner. They do not sit and evaluate the whole team. They only assess their own cheerleader. If there is a chance that their cheerleader can throw their layout (probably piked) then the cheerleader will move to the higher level team.

Remember the cheerleader and their parents think differently and it's all about the "what's in it for me".

It's a good strategy.   And it's these strategy moves that keep the competitive cheerleading to move to the next level and search for more and more.

Date: Sat Jul 5 8:38 AM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Good for NorCal. Why not go for the max. Especially, at the youth level. There will be little competitin for them this season in Nor Cal. They will qualify easily for Worlds and say they have a World caliber team. Great Marketing Strategy if you ask me.

What gyms do have a YOUTH 5 this year?

Date: Sat Jul 5 8:48 AM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Good for NorCal. Why not go for the max. Especially, at the youth level. There will be little competitin for them this season in Nor Cal. They will qualify easily for Worlds and say they have a World caliber team. Great Marketing Strategy if you ask me.

So other gyms who have easily qualified for worlds and claim to have world caliber teams don't also fall into this category? This twisted logic doesn't make any sense. If you qualify easily you get slammed. If you didn't qualify easily you get slammed. Don't dare put together a level that isn't popular (one that many gyms have) or you will also be slammed. The only solution? Ignore the negativity by the ignorant and do what is best for your gym.

Date: Sat Jul 5 10:53 AM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Good for NorCal. Why not go for the max. Especially, at the youth level. There will be little competitin for them this season in Nor Cal. They will qualify easily for Worlds and say they have a World caliber team. Great Marketing Strategy if you ask me.

What gyms do have a YOUTH 5 this year?

Two gyms in Southern California I heard, but I am not sure if it was just rumor.

ACEDAD · GURU

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Well i love when teams challenge themselves, so lets just see what happpens

its one thing to challange your self and its anothere to go out with like 3 fulls and only 2 flyers that can actually doule down the rest full down and some dont even do extended stunts. Ive seen it before and its not cute. Bottom line is dont push a team if they are not realy.

And perhaps one shouldn't be pushed to post if one isn't ready for the grammar or spelling challenges.

biggrin

Date: Sat Jul 5 9:22 PM, 2008

Well, that would be pretty silly of them..considering they had a hard time performing Level 3 stunts this year!

Date: Sat Jul 5 10:01 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Well, that would be pretty silly of them..considering they had a hard time performing Level 3 stunts this year!

I know this might be a stretch for someone like yourself who doesn't do much thinking before typing, but try to imagine this -- every season is new and gyms will have new talent and new skills going into it. So before you blast ANY gym for doing something new, try to avoid looking foolish and petty.

flipkidjudge · Senior Member

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Good for NorCal. Why not go for the max. Especially, at the youth level. There will be little competitin for them this season in Nor Cal. They will qualify easily for Worlds and say they have a World caliber team. Great Marketing Strategy if you ask me.

lol...well, what they usually do is go the levels where they won't have competition....brag about all their 1st places...then when they finally do have competition, they get creamed. lol

I don't have a cheerleader in this program nor do I know a single staffperson that is associated with this entire program. I was the one that talked about the Marketing strategy.

Getting back the marketing strategy. Yes this is a great strategy.

Senario:
1. Team A - a level 2/3 youth team with full squad BHS.
2. Team B - a level 4/5 youth team with two running fulls and 1/3 can do
standing tucks.
3. The cheerleader has 3/4 tumbling skills.

What team would the cheerleader try out for?

It has been the trend with these cheerleaders (and their parents) to push to the next level. The cheerleader will probably try out for the next level and leave the gym that had the full squad BHS at the 2/3 level.

Parents/cheerleaders do not think like a coach or an owner. They do not sit and evaluate the whole team. They only assess their own cheerleader. If there is a chance that their cheerleader can throw their layout (probably piked) then the cheerleader will move to the higher level team.

Remember the cheerleader and their parents think differently and it's all about the "what's in it for me".

It's a good strategy. And it's these strategy moves that keep the competitive cheerleading to move to the next level and search for more and more.

You havesaid somethging that needs to be shouted from the rooftops of every gym, said in every parent meeting and put in every newsletter! parents/Cheerleaders do not think like coaches/owners. They do not see it the same way nor are they inclined to see it the same way. Whether right or wrong, it is the truth.

The onus then is on the coaches/owners to inform and educate the parents/cheerleaders as much as possible about these types of placements and decisions instead ofassuming that because they have been with the program "x" amount of years they aren't going anywhere. You still won't keep them all because as is pointed put, there is often a personal agenda that trumps the teams aganeda.

When tryouts were coming up this year, my 16 wanted to be on a Level 3 team, because she did not want to be on our Senior 2 team. Her tumbling skill set was definitley 2 however and not a strong 2 at that. As a parent I wanted her to be where she wanted but as a coach I knew what she needed to work on. I told her as both a parent and a coach what was needed. (I am an oddball, the only kids in the gym I do not coach are my own...that is what I pay the other coaches to do...lol...plus it keeps the daddy/daughter lines clear) She made the Senior 2 team and has worked on her Level 2 weaknesses...avoiding BHS.

When we created a Senior Open Coed 3 she was invited to be on the team by the owners because of her basing, jumps and dance...not her tumbling. Again I sat her down and told her thisfrom both perspectives. In under 2 months she is now doing multiple BHS series and is landing her ROBHS Tuck by herself. I do not think she did it because of the higher placement. She did it because I was honest with her on both fronts.

Date: Sun Jul 6 8:32 AM, 2008

Great points. The only thing I wonder about is this, because I know this is true with my daughter -- you say her tumbling advanced not because she was with the higher level team but because you were being honest and upfront. My daughter was also on a higher level team not because of her tumbling but because of other skills, and suddenly after a couple years of not advancing in her tumbling she was doing tucks. I feel it was because all the girls around her were doing tucks so she had more incentive than she had on the lower level team. Being on the higher level team definitely pushed her. As a parent it didn't matter to me which level they placed her in as long as I didn't feel it was below her ability. Of course we didn't know what that ability was until she moved, but at the time she was level 2 and a level 2 team was the right one for her. She didn't have level 3 tumbling until they placed her on a level 3 team, so that worked for us (I'm not saying it would work for others).

flipkidjudge · Senior Member

I know some children thrive like that. With mine it was simply me laying it out for her. She understood not being the one kid on the team not doing what was needed for her team to succeed. She actually is not the last kid on that team to get her skills for that team.There are many more still struggling. I just told her that sometimes it is okay to be given something if you are not quite there yet, but you better work like the dickens to make sure you keep it. She took it to heart.

If anything I would say our open gym with everybody throwing crazyskills has been more incentive than anything.