What gyms will surprise us...

Date: Wed Jun 25 12:15 PM, 2008

RE: What gyms will surprise us...

Amac · Veteran Member

deductions and difficulty points weigh eachother out. that's how scores are formed. its not just about who throws the hardest skills, or even just about who's the cleanest. its about the combination of the 2. but if your deductions out weigh your difficulty, then no. you don't deserve to win. just like if you're super clean with no deductions, but just don't have the difficulty , you don't deserve to win. its about using the scoresheet to your advantage, and making it work in your favor, whether your strength is difficulty, cleanliness, or both.

if you look at the top 5 in almost any division at worlds, you'll find that those teams have a combination of strengths and weaknesses in difficulty and deductions. remember, we're talking top 5, not teams that watched finals, but the best of the best in the united states. the teams that won were the teams with the highest scores after difficulty and deductions were taken into consideration. the higher the placement, the more of the total package that team had on that particular day.

but in reality, just like any sport that is scored by judges, its always going to be subjective. we are human beings judged by other human beings. if you PLACED at world's, congratulations. you worked hard, you are very talented, and you should be very proud of yourself. i know i am. its an experience i'll never forget.

-- Edited by Amac at 14:29, 2008-06-25

Date: Wed Jun 25 1:10 PM, 2008

Amac wrote:

we're lucky judges don't take off for flexed feet or crossed or bent legs. then THAT would be a riot!

HAHA this is so funny because i just read the NCA scoresheet the other day and things like hieght, technique etc. in your tumbling all count towards your score now. Whiped over layouts dont just give you points anymore compared to beautiful gymnastic and high LAYOUTS. Just thought that was funny because now it could be a riot. Dont quote me exactly, but i read the new score sheet and this is what it had said on it.

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Tamara · cheergyms.com Master Poster

I agree wholeheartedly with AMAC. It is the best there is that 2.5 minutes. You have to complete the whole package of clean difficultiness (difficult cleanliness?).

If you have 20 fulls with only 10 of them landing, sure you'll beat the team that has 20 picture perfect tucks (I would say layouts, but this is cheer...who are we kidding? ;) ), but you will lose to the team that has 15 perfectly landed fulls.

disclaimer: The preceding example was based strictly on the skill set given. The rest of the routine may have varying results on the final scores.

Date: Wed Jun 25 3:42 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Amac wrote:
i'm sorry... but that's how it should be. if you can't put a CLEAN routine that hits out on the floor, you don't deserve top 3 at worlds.. or any prestigous competition for that matter. anyone can go out and throw 20 doubles, and eat it on half of them. anyone can go out and throw 6 full ups in a small sr. division, and drop 3. i really do believe that any team that was in finals has the ability to "throw" any of those skills. i think at this level its about who's performance is the best. not who's skills are the hardest. now.. if you have the hardest skills AND hit them, that's fine. but if you can't hit them consistently enough to hit a clean routine 2 days in a row, then i don't believe you OWN that skill, or routine for that matter.

take it out of the all star arena for 2 seconds. look at college i believe it was last year (2007?). at UCA college nationals, UK had obviously more overall talent than ANY team in ANY division there. they always do. doesn't mean they always deserve to win. they dropped the end pyramid i think, lost to UCF. now don't quote me on any of this... i'm going by memory and i don't have the best one of those. but i'm pretty sure that's how it goes.

you have to hit to win. deductions are there for a reason in every performance sport... gymnastics, ice skating, diving. we're lucky judges don't take off for flexed feet or crossed or bent legs. then THAT would be a riot!

i dont agree with this thats like saying some team thats bearly level 5 and hit their routine perfect should beat a team like top gun who droped a couple of stunts there is no way possible thay you should win if you dont haave the skill i dont care if you do hit perfect

i completly agree with the origanal poster. she said a team that has the ability to make it to finals and at THIS level. these top teams are separated by the smallest of margins and the slightest mistake can take you from 1st to 6th. to win you have to be perfect. we also have to remember things such as transitions and preformance are worth just as much as the tumbling and stunting. a team could have more talent than top gun and hit everything but have boring and ugly coreography and sloppy transitions and still not place well at worlds.

Stepping off the mat at Worlds is not a deduction I heard is that true? Isn't hittin a perfect rountine not stepping off??? I saw TopGun step off a couple times...

Date: Wed Jun 25 3:55 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:
Stepping off the mat at Worlds is not a deduction I heard is that true? Isn't hittin a perfect rountine not stepping off??? I saw TopGun step off a couple times...

Hitting a perfect routine is doing whatever the scoresheet says to do or not doing whatever it says not to do. If World's doesn't care about stepping off & Top Gun stepped off...it doesn't matter.

Date: Wed Jun 25 4:52 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Stepping off the mat at Worlds is not a deduction I heard is that true? Isn't hittin a perfect rountine not stepping off??? I saw TopGun step off a couple times...

Hitting a perfect routine is doing whatever the scoresheet says to do or not doing whatever it says not to do. If World's doesn't care about stepping off & Top Gun stepped off...it doesn't matter.

So it really doesn't matter at Worlds if you hit perfect...Perfect is not stepping off the mat in my book...

Date: Wed Jun 25 5:35 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Stepping off the mat at Worlds is not a deduction I heard is that true? Isn't hittin a perfect rountine not stepping off??? I saw TopGun step off a couple times...

Hitting a perfect routine is doing whatever the scoresheet says to do or not doing whatever it says not to do. If World's doesn't care about stepping off & Top Gun stepped off...it doesn't matter.

So it really doesn't matter at Worlds if you hit perfect...Perfect is not stepping off the mat in my book...

Perhaps but it's not your book that matters.

Date: Wed Jun 25 5:39 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Stepping off the mat at Worlds is not a deduction I heard is that true? Isn't hittin a perfect rountine not stepping off??? I saw TopGun step off a couple times...

Hitting a perfect routine is doing whatever the scoresheet says to do or not doing whatever it says not to do. If World's doesn't care about stepping off & Top Gun stepped off...it doesn't matter.

So it really doesn't matter at Worlds if you hit perfect...Perfect is not stepping off the mat in my book...

Perhaps but it's not your book that matters.

didn't say mine mattered just noticed that their routine wasn't perfect....

Date: Wed Jun 25 5:53 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Stepping off the mat at Worlds is not a deduction I heard is that true? Isn't hittin a perfect rountine not stepping off??? I saw TopGun step off a couple times...

Hitting a perfect routine is doing whatever the scoresheet says to do or not doing whatever it says not to do. If World's doesn't care about stepping off & Top Gun stepped off...it doesn't matter.

So it really doesn't matter at Worlds if you hit perfect...Perfect is not stepping off the mat in my book...

Perhaps but it's not your book that matters.

didn't say mine mattered just noticed that their routine wasn't perfect....

IDK what planet you from but a routine dosent get any better than that

Date: Wed Jun 25 6:07 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Stepping off the mat at Worlds is not a deduction I heard is that true? Isn't hittin a perfect rountine not stepping off??? I saw TopGun step off a couple times...

Hitting a perfect routine is doing whatever the scoresheet says to do or not doing whatever it says not to do. If World's doesn't care about stepping off & Top Gun stepped off...it doesn't matter.

So it really doesn't matter at Worlds if you hit perfect...Perfect is not stepping off the mat in my book...

Bitter, table of 36 - 40, your table is ready.

Date: Wed Jun 25 6:11 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Stepping off the mat at Worlds is not a deduction I heard is that true? Isn't hittin a perfect rountine not stepping off??? I saw TopGun step off a couple times...

Hitting a perfect routine is doing whatever the scoresheet says to do or not doing whatever it says not to do. If World's doesn't care about stepping off & Top Gun stepped off...it doesn't matter.

So it really doesn't matter at Worlds if you hit perfect...Perfect is not stepping off the mat in my book...

Bitter, table of 36 - 40, your table is ready.

Date: Wed Jun 25 6:37 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Stepping off the mat at Worlds is not a deduction I heard is that true? Isn't hittin a perfect rountine not stepping off??? I saw TopGun step off a couple times...

Hitting a perfect routine is doing whatever the scoresheet says to do or not doing whatever it says not to do. If World's doesn't care about stepping off & Top Gun stepped off...it doesn't matter.

So it really doesn't matter at Worlds if you hit perfect...Perfect is not stepping off the mat in my book...

Perhaps but it's not your book that matters.

didn't say mine mattered just noticed that their routine wasn't perfect....

Well obviously they weren't perfect and they didn't score that way. But they came the closest that day.

Date: Wed Jun 25 10:00 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Stepping off the mat at Worlds is not a deduction I heard is that true? Isn't hittin a perfect rountine not stepping off??? I saw TopGun step off a couple times...

Hitting a perfect routine is doing whatever the scoresheet says to do or not doing whatever it says not to do. If World's doesn't care about stepping off & Top Gun stepped off...it doesn't matter.

So it really doesn't matter at Worlds if you hit perfect...Perfect is not stepping off the mat in my book...

Perhaps but it's not your book that matters.

didn't say mine mattered just noticed that their routine wasn't perfect....

Well obviously they weren't perfect and they didn't score that way. But they came the closest that day.

They would have lost at NCA for stepping off. But of course we're not talking about NCA.

Date: Thu Jun 26 1:04 PM, 2008

you are all getting carried away!okay..
"What gyms will surprise you this year?"

...were back.in the purple..and black....

GEORGIA allstars!and stingrays!
woooooo!

thats some hawt competition right there!

Fierce Coach · GURU

i think that everyone will surprise someone. i don't think it's safe to say who is going to surprise or WOW the most.

i mean, yes....
cheerforce/so cal, california's newly added gym, POWER, and american/stars extreme will definitely be the performances to see first. but i also think that there are going to be new, WOWi ng california gyms this season that will make your head turn. i'm very excited to see everyone this season.

my top three to look for:

one athletics
victory cheer
and FIERCE, of course. lol.

Date: Sat Jun 28 8:19 AM, 2008

duh they are going to have strong lower level teams...when you take you level 5 kids and make them cross compete in a level 2 division as well as level 5 they better be good

Date: Sat Jun 28 8:37 AM, 2008

What gym is requiring all their level 5's to cross compete on level 2??

Date: Sat Jun 28 9:03 AM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

What gym is requiring all their level 5's to cross compete on level 2??

If you watch the CA videos on youtube you will see tumblers who only tumble in the routines who are quite obviously tumbling below their skill level.

Date: Sat Jun 28 9:12 AM, 2008

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Anonymous wrote:

What gym is requiring all their level 5's to cross compete on level 2??

If you watch the CA videos on youtube you will see tumblers who only tumble in the routines who are quite obviously tumbling below their skill level.

ok i am not apart of CA but please people lets be mature i think i have seen 2 of their lower level teams with like one person from a level 5 team tumbling in it. their is no way they are "requiring" all their level 5s to cross compete on a level 2 team that is just rediculous those teams would be insainly good. please stop starting stupid rumors to try and bash a powerfull gym. battle it out on the compitition floor not on the message boards