What gyms will surprise us...

Date: Tue Jun 24 1:42 PM, 2008

RE: What gyms will surprise us...

Date: Tue Jun 24 1:46 PM, 2008

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awww, love Nor Cal Elite, I think they'll be even stronger this year. I will agree with the last post though about Northern CA gyms in general, we do hear a lot of hype year after year and it doesn't always materialize. Let's make this year different. Hope to have more than one gym in the top ten at Worlds, really be competitive with our friends in southern CA.

All of the best tumblers, flyers left NorCal gyms went to SoCal...maybe the NorCal gyms need to invest in better coaching and bring them back

i dont think it has anything to do with the coaching..
i think its just the cheerleaders that left feel that they will be better suited on a higher level team because of the skills they have

like when a lot of guys went to CA its because they have amazing skills and should be on a team where they can show them off

I don't think of its any of that. If you notice they left to go to a LARGE Coed program. Same as people who go to Top Gun their senior year, the same with CA Bullets. The rest of CA Bullets is comparable to every other program in the state.

sorry if i misunderstood but are you saying ca bullets only team that is worthy good talent is their large coed??

if so i completly disagree all three of their worlds teams took home silver and the sm senior divison was much more difficult than unlimited coed

Date: Tue Jun 24 2:16 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

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awww, love Nor Cal Elite, I think they'll be even stronger this year. I will agree with the last post though about Northern CA gyms in general, we do hear a lot of hype year after year and it doesn't always materialize. Let's make this year different. Hope to have more than one gym in the top ten at Worlds, really be competitive with our friends in southern CA.

All of the best tumblers, flyers left NorCal gyms went to SoCal...maybe the NorCal gyms need to invest in better coaching and bring them back

i dont think it has anything to do with the coaching..
i think its just the cheerleaders that left feel that they will be better suited on a higher level team because of the skills they have

like when a lot of guys went to CA its because they have amazing skills and should be on a team where they can show them off

I disagree...when u have ruffly 10 + of Northern Californias best tumblers, flyers level 5 skills (within the last 3 years) from Southbay/Norcal Elite, Cheergyms, and Power going to CA Allstars to learn overall even better skills, and none coming to Norcal to improve what does that say??? As I understand it all of these kids have always been level 5 so your point on going to a higher level team is not understandable right?

Date: Tue Jun 24 3:21 PM, 2008

The only thing that will surprise me is how many gyms will close after next year.I know of two that once the lease is up, thats it.

Date: Tue Jun 24 3:28 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

awww, love Nor Cal Elite, I think they'll be even stronger this year. I will agree with the last post though about Northern CA gyms in general, we do hear a lot of hype year after year and it doesn't always materialize. Let's make this year different. Hope to have more than one gym in the top ten at Worlds, really be competitive with our friends in southern CA.

All of the best tumblers, flyers left NorCal gyms went to SoCal...maybe the NorCal gyms need to invest in better coaching and bring them back

i dont think it has anything to do with the coaching..
i think its just the cheerleaders that left feel that they will be better suited on a higher level team because of the skills they have

like when a lot of guys went to CA its because they have amazing skills and should be on a team where they can show them off

I disagree...when u have ruffly 10 + of Northern Californias best tumblers, flyers level 5 skills (within the last 3 years) from Southbay/Norcal Elite, Cheergyms, and Power going to CA Allstars to learn overall even better skills, and none coming to Norcal to improve what does that say??? As I understand it all of these kids have always been level 5 so your point on going to a higher level team is not understandable right?

No co-ed team in Northern California has placed in the top ten, barely in the top 20. The successful gyms in southern CA must be doing something right and there's nothing wrong with members wanting to be a part of whatever that is.

Date: Tue Jun 24 3:52 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

awww, love Nor Cal Elite, I think they'll be even stronger this year. I will agree with the last post though about Northern CA gyms in general, we do hear a lot of hype year after year and it doesn't always materialize. Let's make this year different. Hope to have more than one gym in the top ten at Worlds, really be competitive with our friends in southern CA.

All of the best tumblers, flyers left NorCal gyms went to SoCal...maybe the NorCal gyms need to invest in better coaching and bring them back

i dont think it has anything to do with the coaching..
i think its just the cheerleaders that left feel that they will be better suited on a higher level team because of the skills they have

like when a lot of guys went to CA its because they have amazing skills and should be on a team where they can show them off

I disagree...when u have ruffly 10 + of Northern Californias best tumblers, flyers level 5 skills (within the last 3 years) from Southbay/Norcal Elite, Cheergyms, and Power going to CA Allstars to learn overall even better skills, and none coming to Norcal to improve what does that say??? As I understand it all of these kids have always been level 5 so your point on going to a higher level team is not understandable right?

No co-ed team in Northern California has placed in the top ten, barely in the top 20. The successful gyms in southern CA must be doing something right and there's nothing wrong with members wanting to be a part of whatever that is.

EXACTLY!

Nelson · Senior Member

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No co-ed team in Northern California has placed in the top ten, barely in the top 20. The successful gyms in southern CA must be doing something right and there's nothing wrong with members wanting to be a part of whatever that is.

Motions Large Coed 2005-2006: 10th Place at the Cheerleading Worlds
Motions Large Coed 2006 - 2007: 11th Place at the Cheerleading Worlds (6th place before deductions)

I know I know...the "before deductions" thing doesn't really count, but it does make me feel better.

Date: Tue Jun 24 4:32 PM, 2008

I disagree...when u have ruffly 10 + of Northern Californias best tumblers, flyers level 5 skills (within the last 3 years) from Southbay/Norcal Elite, Cheergyms, and Power going to CA Allstars to learn overall even better skills, and none coming to Norcal to improve what does that say??? As I understand it all of these kids have always been level 5 so your point on going to a higher level team is not understandable right?

Ruffly??? Lol...is that their uniform style or did you mean ROUGHLY?? Sorry, I couldn't help myself ashamed

Date: Tue Jun 24 7:43 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

I disagree...when u have ruffly 10 + of Northern Californias best tumblers, flyers level 5 skills (within the last 3 years) from Southbay/Norcal Elite, Cheergyms, and Power going to CA Allstars to learn overall even better skills, and none coming to Norcal to improve what does that say??? As I understand it all of these kids have always been level 5 so your point on going to a higher level team is not understandable right?

Ruffly??? Lol...is that their uniform style or did you mean ROUGHLY?? Sorry, I couldn't help myself

Did do that???LOL oops....yes roughly.....my bad....

Date: Tue Jun 24 11:17 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

awww, love Nor Cal Elite, I think they'll be even stronger this year. I will agree with the last post though about Northern CA gyms in general, we do hear a lot of hype year after year and it doesn't always materialize. Let's make this year different. Hope to have more than one gym in the top ten at Worlds, really be competitive with our friends in southern CA.

All of the best tumblers, flyers left NorCal gyms went to SoCal...maybe the NorCal gyms need to invest in better coaching and bring them back

i dont think it has anything to do with the coaching..
i think its just the cheerleaders that left feel that they will be better suited on a higher level team because of the skills they have

like when a lot of guys went to CA its because they have amazing skills and should be on a team where they can show them off

I don't think of its any of that. If you notice they left to go to a LARGE Coed program. Same as people who go to Top Gun their senior year, the same with CA Bullets. The rest of CA Bullets is comparable to every other program in the state.

sorry if i misunderstood but are you saying ca bullets only team that is worthy good talent is their large coed??
if so i completly disagree all three of their worlds teams took home silver and the sm senior divison was much more difficult than unlimited coed

Actually you don't understand what I'm saying. They are the ONLY large coed team in the state. So like most large coed all star teams, top tumbling boys and girls who like that "coed" feeling are flocking to that team. It happens all over. CA wildcats gets kids from all over, TG jags, and CA bullets. Large coed teams attract a wider array of kids. Sorry but CA small senior is good but they placed that way due to hitting their routine, not because a huge skill level difference. If you can't see that then your just blind.

Date: Wed Jun 25 6:49 AM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

awww, love Nor Cal Elite, I think they'll be even stronger this year. I will agree with the last post though about Northern CA gyms in general, we do hear a lot of hype year after year and it doesn't always materialize. Let's make this year different. Hope to have more than one gym in the top ten at Worlds, really be competitive with our friends in southern CA.

All of the best tumblers, flyers left NorCal gyms went to SoCal...maybe the NorCal gyms need to invest in better coaching and bring them back

i dont think it has anything to do with the coaching..
i think its just the cheerleaders that left feel that they will be better suited on a higher level team because of the skills they have

like when a lot of guys went to CA its because they have amazing skills and should be on a team where they can show them off

I don't think of its any of that. If you notice they left to go to a LARGE Coed program. Same as people who go to Top Gun their senior year, the same with CA Bullets. The rest of CA Bullets is comparable to every other program in the state.

sorry if i misunderstood but are you saying ca bullets only team that is worthy good talent is their large coed??
if so i completly disagree all three of their worlds teams took home silver and the sm senior divison was much more difficult than unlimited coed

Actually you don't understand what I'm saying. They are the ONLY large coed team in the state. So like most large coed all star teams, top tumbling boys and girls who like that "coed" feeling are flocking to that team. It happens all over. CA wildcats gets kids from all over, TG jags, and CA bullets. Large coed teams attract a wider array of kids. Sorry but CA small senior is good but they placed that way due to hitting their routine, not because a huge skill level difference. If you can't see that then your just blind.

I'm not the person who posted prior to you (just wanted to be clear so that you don't think someone arguing with you). Everyone is entitled to their opinion so there's no reason to be rude ("blind" comment). I do however, STRONGLY disagree with your statement. CA's has some very strong lower level teams as well. Again, everyone has an opinion. Respect others and they will respect yours.

Date: Wed Jun 25 7:03 AM, 2008

have not seen them, i think they only do jamz

Date: Wed Jun 25 7:05 AM, 2008

sorry that was back to the question about cheerxperience ashamed

Date: Wed Jun 25 7:10 AM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

awww, love Nor Cal Elite, I think they'll be even stronger this year. I will agree with the last post though about Northern CA gyms in general, we do hear a lot of hype year after year and it doesn't always materialize. Let's make this year different. Hope to have more than one gym in the top ten at Worlds, really be competitive with our friends in southern CA.

All of the best tumblers, flyers left NorCal gyms went to SoCal...maybe the NorCal gyms need to invest in better coaching and bring them back

i dont think it has anything to do with the coaching..
i think its just the cheerleaders that left feel that they will be better suited on a higher level team because of the skills they have

like when a lot of guys went to CA its because they have amazing skills and should be on a team where they can show them off

I don't think of its any of that. If you notice they left to go to a LARGE Coed program. Same as people who go to Top Gun their senior year, the same with CA Bullets. The rest of CA Bullets is comparable to every other program in the state.

sorry if i misunderstood but are you saying ca bullets only team that is worthy good talent is their large coed??
if so i completly disagree all three of their worlds teams took home silver and the sm senior divison was much more difficult than unlimited coed

Actually you don't understand what I'm saying. They are the ONLY large coed team in the state. So like most large coed all star teams, top tumbling boys and girls who like that "coed" feeling are flocking to that team. It happens all over. CA wildcats gets kids from all over, TG jags, and CA bullets. Large coed teams attract a wider array of kids. Sorry but CA small senior is good but they placed that way due to hitting their routine, not because a huge skill level difference. If you can't see that then your just blind.

I'm not the person who posted prior to you (just wanted to be clear so that you don't think someone arguing with you). Everyone is entitled to their opinion so there's no reason to be rude ("blind" comment). I do however, STRONGLY disagree with your statement. CA's has some very strong lower level teams as well. Again, everyone has an opinion. Respect others and they will respect yours.

i disagree as well ca sm senior placed 2nd at worlds how in anyway is that comparable to a team from califronia that didnt even make finals?? ca also has very strong lower level teams like their lrg senior 4, lrg jr 3, and lrg senior 2 were some of my favorite runtines ever

Date: Wed Jun 25 7:23 AM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

awww, love Nor Cal Elite, I think they'll be even stronger this year. I will agree with the last post though about Northern CA gyms in general, we do hear a lot of hype year after year and it doesn't always materialize. Let's make this year different. Hope to have more than one gym in the top ten at Worlds, really be competitive with our friends in southern CA.

All of the best tumblers, flyers left NorCal gyms went to SoCal...maybe the NorCal gyms need to invest in better coaching and bring them back

i dont think it has anything to do with the coaching..
i think its just the cheerleaders that left feel that they will be better suited on a higher level team because of the skills they have

like when a lot of guys went to CA its because they have amazing skills and should be on a team where they can show them off

I don't think of its any of that. If you notice they left to go to a LARGE Coed program. Same as people who go to Top Gun their senior year, the same with CA Bullets. The rest of CA Bullets is comparable to every other program in the state.

sorry if i misunderstood but are you saying ca bullets only team that is worthy good talent is their large coed??
if so i completly disagree all three of their worlds teams took home silver and the sm senior divison was much more difficult than unlimited coed

Actually you don't understand what I'm saying. They are the ONLY large coed team in the state. So like most large coed all star teams, top tumbling boys and girls who like that "coed" feeling are flocking to that team. It happens all over. CA wildcats gets kids from all over, TG jags, and CA bullets. Large coed teams attract a wider array of kids. Sorry but CA small senior is good but they placed that way due to hitting their routine, not because a huge skill level difference. If you can't see that then your just blind.

CA got second because they put up 6 stunts and then full up some in a second stunt section. they have absolutly beautiful running tumbling. their baskets were sipmly amazing. their pyramid was difficult. their dance was fierce.<b> AND<b/> they were clean and hit everyting perfect.

Date: Wed Jun 25 7:30 AM, 2008

Seriously are the people posting about CA Bullets that blind. Nobody said their lower level teams were NOT good, they said their other teams are COMPARABLE in talent. Sorry but CA Bullets level 2-4 teams are not doing anything that much better than So Cal, cheergyms, power, and cheerforce. Sorry watch the videos, and the skills are bout the same. Just depends who hits on either day. Learn how to READ and not assume. Their small senior team good, yes, but again they hit their routine so thats why they placed where they did. They didn't outskill woodlands, cheer force, or pro spirit.

Date: Wed Jun 25 10:18 AM, 2008

I dont care if team "A" throws 10 fulls, while team "B" throws 20, if team A wins than let it be unless there was something seriously wrong with the judging. Im not saying CA had only 10 fulls, but they won and let it be. That was last season, this is this season. Now the topic is "what gyms will surprise us" so lets keep it that way. Not lets bag this gym because they wont surprise us next year.

Date: Wed Jun 25 10:57 AM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

awww, love Nor Cal Elite, I think they'll be even stronger this year. I will agree with the last post though about Northern CA gyms in general, we do hear a lot of hype year after year and it doesn't always materialize. Let's make this year different. Hope to have more than one gym in the top ten at Worlds, really be competitive with our friends in southern CA.

All of the best tumblers, flyers left NorCal gyms went to SoCal...maybe the NorCal gyms need to invest in better coaching and bring them back

i dont think it has anything to do with the coaching..
i think its just the cheerleaders that left feel that they will be better suited on a higher level team because of the skills they have

like when a lot of guys went to CA its because they have amazing skills and should be on a team where they can show them off

I don't think of its any of that. If you notice they left to go to a LARGE Coed program. Same as people who go to Top Gun their senior year, the same with CA Bullets. The rest of CA Bullets is comparable to every other program in the state.

sorry if i misunderstood but are you saying ca bullets only team that is worthy good talent is their large coed??
if so i completly disagree all three of their worlds teams took home silver and the sm senior divison was much more difficult than unlimited coed

Actually you don't understand what I'm saying. They are the ONLY large coed team in the state. So like most large coed all star teams, top tumbling boys and girls who like that "coed" feeling are flocking to that team. It happens all over. CA wildcats gets kids from all over, TG jags, and CA bullets. Large coed teams attract a wider array of kids. Sorry but CA small senior is good but they placed that way due to hitting their routine, not because a huge skill level difference. If you can't see that then your just blind.

I agree. i still to this day dont think ca small senior had the skill level to place that high as well as half of the other teams that placed high. It really came down to who hit and who was clean. Same with a couple of other divisions hmm

Amac · Veteran Member

i'm sorry... but that's how it should be. if you can't put a CLEAN routine that hits out on the floor, you don't deserve top 3 at worlds.. or any prestigous competition for that matter. anyone can go out and throw 20 doubles, and eat it on half of them. anyone can go out and throw 6 full ups in a small sr. division, and drop 3. i really do believe that any team that was in finals has the ability to "throw" any of those skills. i think at this level its about who's performance is the best. not who's skills are the hardest. now.. if you have the hardest skills AND hit them, that's fine. but if you can't hit them consistently enough to hit a clean routine 2 days in a row, then i don't believe you OWN that skill, or routine for that matter.

take it out of the all star arena for 2 seconds. look at college i believe it was last year (2007?). at UCA college nationals, UK had obviously more overall talent than ANY team in ANY division there. they always do. doesn't mean they always deserve to win. they dropped the end pyramid i think, lost to UCF. now don't quote me on any of this... i'm going by memory and i don't have the best one of those. but i'm pretty sure that's how it goes.

you have to hit to win. deductions are there for a reason in every performance sport... gymnastics, ice skating, diving. we're lucky judges don't take off for flexed feet or crossed or bent legs. then THAT would be a riot! smile

Date: Wed Jun 25 12:00 PM, 2008

Amac wrote:
i'm sorry... but that's how it should be. if you can't put a CLEAN routine that hits out on the floor, you don't deserve top 3 at worlds.. or any prestigous competition for that matter. anyone can go out and throw 20 doubles, and eat it on half of them. anyone can go out and throw 6 full ups in a small sr. division, and drop 3. i really do believe that any team that was in finals has the ability to "throw" any of those skills. i think at this level its about who's performance is the best. not who's skills are the hardest. now.. if you have the hardest skills AND hit them, that's fine. but if you can't hit them consistently enough to hit a clean routine 2 days in a row, then i don't believe you OWN that skill, or routine for that matter.

take it out of the all star arena for 2 seconds. look at college i believe it was last year (2007?). at UCA college nationals, UK had obviously more overall talent than ANY team in ANY division there. they always do. doesn't mean they always deserve to win. they dropped the end pyramid i think, lost to UCF. now don't quote me on any of this... i'm going by memory and i don't have the best one of those. but i'm pretty sure that's how it goes.

you have to hit to win. deductions are there for a reason in every performance sport... gymnastics, ice skating, diving. we're lucky judges don't take off for flexed feet or crossed or bent legs. then THAT would be a riot!

i dont agree with this thats like saying some team thats bearly level 5 and hit their routine perfect should beat a team like top gun who droped a couple of stunts there is no way possible thay you should win if you dont haave the skill i dont care if you do hit perfect