AA 2008- 2009

Date: Thu Jun 19 4:53 PM, 2008

RE: AA 2008- 2009

Bryan · Veteran Member

Anonymous wrote:
I loved AA's routine. It was original and I love the Say Cheese!. My all time favorite Cheegyms routine was the Motion's Coed Frankenstien or however they spelled it.

Yay!!! I was in the Frankenstien routine

Bryan · Veteran Member

Anonymous wrote:
AA was 100% level 5? Full squad fulls and doubles? I must have missed that in the routine.

What TRULY defines a level 5 team, in your opinion? Because MY team this past year did not have full squad fulls

Date: Thu Jun 19 10:24 PM, 2008

To be a truly competitve L5 I think you need at least 3/4 of your team that have standing skills of 1,2 or 3 to fulls. Much nicer if they were doubles. FULL SQUAD triple toe tucks, all jumps to tucks or punch fronts. Also it is like kick doubles are the norm, there is no wow to them. U need to have Full ups, (which by the way is a level 3 skill) Some tick tocks at least 4 body positions with stunt groups doing power presses and moving while in the stunt. Flyers should be doing spikes or needles (whatever your preferance is). And you need a handful of standing fulls along with specialty cross passes. RBHF and Doubles are a dime a dozen now. U need to throw in some arabians whips, front handsprings through to fulls and doubles. As you can see I really analyze L5 teams. Coeds really need to be partner stunting and throwing some kick double bross passes and double to doubles. Ahhh I would love to see a nor cal team accomplish this. I can dream can't I

Date: Fri Jun 20 7:59 AM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

To be a truly competitve L5 I think you need at least 3/4 of your team that have standing skills of 1,2 or 3 to fulls. Much nicer if they were doubles. FULL SQUAD triple toe tucks, all jumps to tucks or punch fronts. Also it is like kick doubles are the norm, there is no wow to them. U need to have Full ups, (which by the way is a level 3 skill) Some tick tocks at least 4 body positions with stunt groups doing power presses and moving while in the stunt. Flyers should be doing spikes or needles (whatever your preferance is). And you need a handful of standing fulls along with specialty cross passes. RBHF and Doubles are a dime a dozen now. U need to throw in some arabians whips, front handsprings through to fulls and doubles. As you can see I really analyze L5 teams. Coeds really need to be partner stunting and throwing some kick double bross passes and double to doubles. Ahhh I would love to see a nor cal team accomplish this. I can dream can't I

let me just say, you absolutely do not need all the standing skills on a coed team. some may be shocked to hear this, but top gun did not have full squad triple jumps to tucks. there were girls in the back who did not throw. the difference of top gun and other teams is top gun knows how to choreograph. it all comes down to the way a routine is put together.

Date: Fri Jun 20 8:15 AM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

To be a truly competitve L5 I think you need at least 3/4 of your team that have standing skills of 1,2 or 3 to fulls. Much nicer if they were doubles. FULL SQUAD triple toe tucks, all jumps to tucks or punch fronts. Also it is like kick doubles are the norm, there is no wow to them. U need to have Full ups, (which by the way is a level 3 skill) Some tick tocks at least 4 body positions with stunt groups doing power presses and moving while in the stunt. Flyers should be doing spikes or needles (whatever your preferance is). And you need a handful of standing fulls along with specialty cross passes. RBHF and Doubles are a dime a dozen now. U need to throw in some arabians whips, front handsprings through to fulls and doubles. As you can see I really analyze L5 teams. Coeds really need to be partner stunting and throwing some kick double bross passes and double to doubles. Ahhh I would love to see a nor cal team accomplish this. I can dream can't I

let me just say, you absolutely do not need all the standing skills on a coed team. some may be shocked to hear this, but top gun did not have full squad triple jumps to tucks. there were girls in the back who did not throw. the difference of top gun and other teams is top gun knows how to choreograph. it all comes down to the way a routine is put together.

there are girls on Top Gun who don't even have backhandsprings

Date: Fri Jun 20 9:31 AM, 2008

If you watch CA and Top Gun's routine's from Worlds their tumbling comes from the boys. CA has 3 girls that tumble and Top Gun 2. Its all about what tricks the boys can pull. I think it is ridiculous that for Kayla or Catlin to go to CA if they are just going to fly. They both can fly and tumble! CA won't use their tumbling ability if they highlight their boys. So why commute to Southern California to fly? I can see Robert making the trip down to Southern California his last year cheering. Programs like CG and Power are top knotch prgrams as well. Its really about the trophy!

Date: Fri Jun 20 9:36 AM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

If you watch CA and Top Gun's routine's from Worlds their tumbling comes from the boys. CA has 3 girls that tumble and Top Gun 2. Its all about what tricks the boys can pull. I think it is ridiculous that for Kayla or Catlin to go to CA if they are just going to fly. They both can fly and tumble! CA won't use their tumbling ability if they highlight their boys. So why commute to Southern California to fly? I can see Robert making the trip down to Southern California his last year cheering. Programs like CG and Power are top knotch prgrams as well. Its really about the trophy!

neither team highlighted the girls tumbling last year because they didnt have strong girl tumblers. this year its a different story CA coed is packed with new amazing girl tumblers trust me catlyin and kayla will be in good company and jeff(coach) will most deffinitly put their skills to good use. just because their on an unlimited coed team dosent mean only the boys tumbling matters its just in the past they didnt have very much girl tumbling to highlight

Date: Fri Jun 20 9:44 AM, 2008

Leave it alone its done already.These arent normal kids, these are some of the best athletes in the bay area. No matter what our opinion is, in the end its not our decision. Calling them trophy hunters and saying they wont be used is just ugly. Have some respect

Date: Fri Jun 20 11:07 AM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

If you watch CA and Top Gun's routine's from Worlds their tumbling comes from the boys. CA has 3 girls that tumble and Top Gun 2. Its all about what tricks the boys can pull. I think it is ridiculous that for Kayla or Catlin to go to CA if they are just going to fly. They both can fly and tumble! CA won't use their tumbling ability if they highlight their boys. So why commute to Southern California to fly? I can see Robert making the trip down to Southern California his last year cheering. Programs like CG and Power are top knotch prgrams as well. Its really about the trophy!

neither team highlighted the girls tumbling last year because they didnt have strong girl tumblers. this year its a different story CA coed is packed with new amazing girl tumblers trust me catlyin and kayla will be in good company and jeff(coach) will most deffinitly put their skills to good use. just because their on an unlimited coed team dosent mean only the boys tumbling matters its just in the past they didnt have very much girl tumbling to highlight

if true are the two girl's getting a free ride like the cameron and xavier? cameron and xavier left NCE to CA with a free ride to CA because they could tumble. there is nothing to be ashamed of. This is just like recruiting for any sport, football, baseball, basketball, etc. If you want the best tumblers in the state you have to do what is nesscary to get them on your team. If its not about the boys and their tricks then offer the girls the same thing.

Date: Fri Jun 20 12:03 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

To be a truly competitve L5 I think you need at least 3/4 of your team that have standing skills of 1,2 or 3 to fulls. Much nicer if they were doubles. FULL SQUAD triple toe tucks, all jumps to tucks or punch fronts. Also it is like kick doubles are the norm, there is no wow to them. U need to have Full ups, (which by the way is a level 3 skill) Some tick tocks at least 4 body positions with stunt groups doing power presses and moving while in the stunt. Flyers should be doing spikes or needles (whatever your preferance is). And you need a handful of standing fulls along with specialty cross passes. RBHF and Doubles are a dime a dozen now. U need to throw in some arabians whips, front handsprings through to fulls and doubles. As you can see I really analyze L5 teams. Coeds really need to be partner stunting and throwing some kick double bross passes and double to doubles. Ahhh I would love to see a nor cal team accomplish this. I can dream can't I

let me just say, you absolutely do not need all the standing skills on a coed team. some may be shocked to hear this, but top gun did not have full squad triple jumps to tucks. there were girls in the back who did not throw. the difference of top gun and other teams is top gun knows how to choreograph. it all comes down to the way a routine is put together.

there are girls on Top Gun who don't even have backhandsprings

Every single girl on our large coed has thrown a full either by themselves or at least with a spot on the floor or tumble trak at some point in their cheerleading career. It may not show in the routines, but trust me-- they have. smile

Bryan · Veteran Member

The last post was from me

sorry I forgot to login.

Date: Fri Jun 20 12:11 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

To be a truly competitve L5 I think you need at least 3/4 of your team that have standing skills of 1,2 or 3 to fulls. Much nicer if they were doubles. FULL SQUAD triple toe tucks, all jumps to tucks or punch fronts. Also it is like kick doubles are the norm, there is no wow to them. U need to have Full ups, (which by the way is a level 3 skill) Some tick tocks at least 4 body positions with stunt groups doing power presses and moving while in the stunt. Flyers should be doing spikes or needles (whatever your preferance is). And you need a handful of standing fulls along with specialty cross passes. RBHF and Doubles are a dime a dozen now. U need to throw in some arabians whips, front handsprings through to fulls and doubles. As you can see I really analyze L5 teams. Coeds really need to be partner stunting and throwing some kick double bross passes and double to doubles. Ahhh I would love to see a nor cal team accomplish this. I can dream can't I

let me just say, you absolutely do not need all the standing skills on a coed team. some may be shocked to hear this, but top gun did not have full squad triple jumps to tucks. there were girls in the back who did not throw. the difference of top gun and other teams is top gun knows how to choreograph. it all comes down to the way a routine is put together.

there are girls on Top Gun who don't even have backhandsprings

Every single girl on our large coed has thrown a full either by themselves or at least with a spot on the floor or tumble trak at some point in their cheerleading career. It may not show in the routines, but trust me-- they have.

Byran why don't the girls do them in the rountine?

Bryan · Veteran Member

Anonymous wrote:

If you watch CA and Top Gun's routine's from Worlds their tumbling comes from the boys. CA has 3 girls that tumble and Top Gun 2. Its all about what tricks the boys can pull. I think it is ridiculous that for Kayla or Catlin to go to CA if they are just going to fly. They both can fly and tumble! CA won't use their tumbling ability if they highlight their boys. So why commute to Southern California to fly? I can see Robert making the trip down to Southern California his last year cheering. Programs like CG and Power are top knotch prgrams as well. Its really about the trophy!

Keep in mind that most Large Coed teams only use girls that throw doubles or standing fulls and in both CA and TG's cases, the girls that tumble are throwing doubles (TG had a girl throw a full from left to right in the opening).

I'm almost 100% sure that Jeff (coach, CA Large Coed) will make good use of Kayla and Caitlin and use their tumbling skills.

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Bryan · Veteran Member

Byran why don't the girls do them in the rountine?

Since a double full is the most difficult skill you can throw in the tumbling on a score sheet, a full doesnt really add to your tumbling score if you can already max out with majority (19) doubles. It jsut so happens that most of doubles come from our boys.

Bryan · Veteran Member

Anonymous wrote:

Leave it alone its done already.These arent normal kids, these are some of the best athletes in the bay area. No matter what our opinion is, in the end its not our decision. Calling them trophy hunters and saying they wont be used is just ugly. Have some respect

I agree. It's not about "trophy" hunting. It's just cheerleading anyways. Why get worked up about cheerleading? If they want to experience cheerleading for a different program, let them cheer at a different program.

Here's a question for those who get bitter about their TEAMMATES leaving for other gyms-

Have you ever had a teammate leave for another program? If so, did it bother you? Why?

-or-

Why would it bother you if your teammate left for another program?

Date: Fri Jun 20 12:47 PM, 2008

I think its frame of mind and perspective when you think of cheerleading. Most people who usually switch gyms are usually ex gymnats from what I notice. Their parents look at their kids as little dollar signs and skill sets. Now many of us look at cheerleading as a team sport with team unity, leadership and growing together as a team. Most of the people who usually change gyms is because they are looking to benefit "themselves" and not the team. I think in today's day and age we do need to teach loyalty, teamwork and commitment. My saying is once a gym hopper, always a gym hopper. Just look at the people who your talking about , not just the recent ones, but all of them. They have switched gyms every 2 to 3 years. Their parents aren't getting what "they want or services" so they switch to a gym that will provide them that. Yes they are free to do that, but with that luxury expect criticism, ridicule and harsh comments because you helped build a team/program and just leave. Especially if you leave with no sign of anything going wrong.

Date: Fri Jun 20 12:50 PM, 2008

Bryan wrote:

Byran why don't the girls do them in the rountine?

Since a double full is the most difficult skill you can throw in the tumbling on a score sheet, a full doesnt really add to your tumbling score if you can already max out with majority (19) doubles. It jsut so happens that most of doubles come from our boys.

I'm pretty sure that if a girl has a full she can work at getting that double. How do you think POWER does it? They don't have a squad full of boys. It would be nice to see a TRUE LEVEL 5 team. A FULL SQUAD WHERE BOTH THE GUYS AND THE GIRLS THROW DOUBLES. Any program that uses just their boys' tumbling is a sham. Come on! Get real. Yeah....anyone can go to a gymnastics gym and recruit guys with the skill. They don't have to worry about paying for anything right???? Make this a real sport. Having the guys tumble and do all the work is like taking steroids.

Date: Fri Jun 20 12:56 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Bryan wrote:

Byran why don't the girls do them in the rountine?

Since a double full is the most difficult skill you can throw in the tumbling on a score sheet, a full doesnt really add to your tumbling score if you can already max out with majority (19) doubles. It jsut so happens that most of doubles come from our boys.

I'm pretty sure that if a girl has a full she can work at getting that double. How do you think POWER does it? They don't have a squad full of boys. It would be nice to see a TRUE LEVEL 5 team. A FULL SQUAD WHERE BOTH THE GUYS AND THE GIRLS THROW DOUBLES. Any program that uses just their boys' tumbling is a sham. Come on! Get real. Yeah....anyone can go to a gymnastics gym and recruit guys with the skill. They don't have to worry about paying for anything right???? Make this a real sport. Having the guys tumble and do all the work is like taking steroids.

Ok, everyone says they want full team this and that. You don't even see other levels with full team anything. Yes there are some programs like that, but across the board it isn't going to happen. Not all kids are in the gym morning , noon and night. You get what you get. Just because you can max out at doubles doesn't mean they are going to be thrown. Seriously getting all that tumbling takes time, training and just dedication to the sport over a period of time. Lets get real! Not even CA Panthers has full team fulls.

Date: Fri Jun 20 1:25 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

I think its frame of mind and perspective when you think of cheerleading. Most people who usually switch gyms are usually ex gymnats from what I notice. Their parents look at their kids as little dollar signs and skill sets. Now many of us look at cheerleading as a team sport with team unity, leadership and growing together as a team. Most of the people who usually change gyms is because they are looking to benefit "themselves" and not the team. I think in today's day and age we do need to teach loyalty, teamwork and commitment. My saying is once a gym hopper, always a gym hopper. Just look at the people who your talking about , not just the recent ones, but all of them. They have switched gyms every 2 to 3 years. Their parents aren't getting what "they want or services" so they switch to a gym that will provide them that. Yes they are free to do that, but with that luxury expect criticism, ridicule and harsh comments because you helped build a team/program and just leave. Especially if you leave with no sign of anything going wrong.

The criticism, ridicule, and harsh comments you refer to are coming from a minority of people; most others would do the same thing as these two athletes if they had the chance. The majority of us are happy for them and are rooting for them all the way!! I admire the commitment they will be making to better themselves!