gone crazy.

Date: Mon Jun 9 2:21 PM, 2008

gone crazy.

Date: Mon Jun 9 2:26 PM, 2008

It sounds like you have raised your daughters right, especially if they were not among the other cheerleaders you said were drunk. Unfortunately there are too many parents who think it's okay for their underage children to drink, especially while they are in Vegas. Sad but true. Should coaches say something if they observe this behavior? I would think they could set rules that if a member of a team is caught doing anything illegal they can be kicked off the team. Easier said than done, I know. But if parents won't step up and do the right thing, their only hope is through the sport they are participating in, and that would lie in the coaches hands. I love going out of our area for competitions, but it just seems like when we do we see too much of this which is why I prefer to keep our competitions local.

Date: Mon Jun 9 2:35 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

It sounds like you have raised your daughters right, especially if they were not among the other cheerleaders you said were drunk. Unfortunately there are too many parents who think it's okay for their underage children to drink, especially while they are in Vegas. Sad but true. Should coaches say something if they observe this behavior? I would think they could set rules that if a member of a team is caught doing anything illegal they can be kicked off the team. Easier said than done, I know. But if parents won't step up and do the right thing, their only hope is through the sport they are participating in, and that would lie in the coaches hands. I love going out of our area for competitions, but it just seems like when we do we see too much of this which is why I prefer to keep our competitions local.

I agree. But a lot of coaches take advantage of being in Vegas and go out and party which isn't setting such a good example even though they are old enough to what they want, because a lot of cheerleaders look up to their coaches and if they see them stumbling down the hall at 2.a.m, they think that it's okay for them to do the same.

Date: Mon Jun 9 3:23 PM, 2008

I agree with this 100%. If gyms want to keep members they will have to make sure their coaches set good examples for others. A majority of them do I'm sure, but those few can ruin a gym's reputation quite easily.

Date: Mon Jun 9 3:28 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

It sounds like you have raised your daughters right, especially if they were not among the other cheerleaders you said were drunk. Unfortunately there are too many parents who think it's okay for their underage children to drink, especially while they are in Vegas. Sad but true. Should coaches say something if they observe this behavior? I would think they could set rules that if a member of a team is caught doing anything illegal they can be kicked off the team. Easier said than done, I know. But if parents won't step up and do the right thing, their only hope is through the sport they are participating in, and that would lie in the coaches hands. I love going out of our area for competitions, but it just seems like when we do we see too much of this which is why I prefer to keep our competitions local.

I agree. But a lot of coaches take advantage of being in Vegas and go out and party which isn't setting such a good example even though they are old enough to what they want, because a lot of cheerleaders look up to their coaches and if they see them stumbling down the hall at 2.a.m, they think that it's okay for them to do the same.

Wait, wait, wait. What are cheerleaders doing up at 2am. Not that I allow my coaches to party on comp nite. It doesn't work out. I have had parents party and invite not only my coaches in hotel rooms, but my athletes that were only 16 years old. My coaches aren't allowed in hotel rooms even when parents are in them, and they are not allowed to have any cheerleaders in their rooms for any reason.

Date: Mon Jun 9 3:42 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

It sounds like you have raised your daughters right, especially if they were not among the other cheerleaders you said were drunk. Unfortunately there are too many parents who think it's okay for their underage children to drink, especially while they are in Vegas. Sad but true. Should coaches say something if they observe this behavior? I would think they could set rules that if a member of a team is caught doing anything illegal they can be kicked off the team. Easier said than done, I know. But if parents won't step up and do the right thing, their only hope is through the sport they are participating in, and that would lie in the coaches hands. I love going out of our area for competitions, but it just seems like when we do we see too much of this which is why I prefer to keep our competitions local.

I agree. But a lot of coaches take advantage of being in Vegas and go out and party which isn't setting such a good example even though they are old enough to what they want, because a lot of cheerleaders look up to their coaches and if they see them stumbling down the hall at 2.a.m, they think that it's okay for them to do the same.
Wait, wait, wait. What are cheerleaders doing up at 2am. Not that I allow my coaches to party on comp nite. It doesn't work out. I have had parents party and invite not only my coaches in hotel rooms, but my athletes that were only 16 years old. My coaches aren't allowed in hotel rooms even when parents are in them, and they are not allowed to have any cheerleaders in their rooms for any reason.

Hi , im just likee wondering why your coaches aren't allowed to have cheerleaders in their rooms or anythingg ? Likee in my casee my sister is my coach. I mean it makes since so no trouble is caused , but then again alot of cheerleaders are really close with their coaches.

Date: Mon Jun 9 3:49 PM, 2008

During Nationals of my daughter's first year as an Allstar cheerleading, the coaches were down in the lobby of the hotel drunk, not to mention most of the parents. I was amazed, girls were running around crazy and not just older girls but little ones too! There was no supervision. I couldn't believe my eyes....what kind of example were they setting. Definitely would make me think twice about letting my daughter travel with one of those coach's if I couldn't go with her. cry

I know coaches like to have the cheerleaders all stay at the same hotel, but when they act like that I would rather stay elsewhere.

I also know they want to have fun, but do it away from the girls....

Needless to say that was our first and last year with that gym.

Date: Mon Jun 9 4:00 PM, 2008

This is not a topic the federation wants made public. They just want to keep it in the closet. Im sure many lewd acts have occured and you will see charges brought upon those next year if they dont change.

ACEDAD · GURU

Anonymous wrote:

This is not a topic the federation wants made public. They just want to keep it in the closet. Im sure many lewd acts have occured and you will see charges brought upon those next year if they dont change.

This is a complete load of crap. You are either terribly misguided or lying and I'm not sure which is worse.

The USASF would never wish to cover up any wrongdoing. If you have any evidence to the contrary, feel free to contact me and I promise you, I'll get you an opportunity to present the information.

Regarding any direct knowledge you have of illegal activity, you need to report it to the proper authorities at the time that something can be done. Otherwise, you are complicit in the activity.

Date: Mon Jun 9 7:24 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

It sounds like you have raised your daughters right, especially if they were not among the other cheerleaders you said were drunk. Unfortunately there are too many parents who think it's okay for their underage children to drink, especially while they are in Vegas. Sad but true. Should coaches say something if they observe this behavior? I would think they could set rules that if a member of a team is caught doing anything illegal they can be kicked off the team. Easier said than done, I know. But if parents won't step up and do the right thing, their only hope is through the sport they are participating in, and that would lie in the coaches hands. I love going out of our area for competitions, but it just seems like when we do we see too much of this which is why I prefer to keep our competitions local.

I agree. But a lot of coaches take advantage of being in Vegas and go out and party which isn't setting such a good example even though they are old enough to what they want, because a lot of cheerleaders look up to their coaches and if they see them stumbling down the hall at 2.a.m, they think that it's okay for them to do the same.
Wait, wait, wait. What are cheerleaders doing up at 2am. Not that I allow my coaches to party on comp nite. It doesn't work out. I have had parents party and invite not only my coaches in hotel rooms, but my athletes that were only 16 years old. My coaches aren't allowed in hotel rooms even when parents are in them, and they are not allowed to have any cheerleaders in their rooms for any reason.

Hi , im just likee wondering why your coaches aren't allowed to have cheerleaders in their rooms or anythingg ? Likee in my casee my sister is my coach. I mean it makes since so no trouble is caused , but then again alot of cheerleaders are really close with their coaches.

I strive to protect the athlete first and then my coaches. I am a business woman and I don't need any problems that could arise out of a simple situation. I have also watched people claim sexual harrassment and destroy ones career. I might think about a sister and coach situation a little different. But to protect everyone involved probably not.

LadyW · Senior Member

VEgas -- ah -- the city of lights and everything else...
When SCF goes to vegas (and its usually American grand) -- the girls are placed into rooms with chaperones. They are not allowed in the casino or hotel without their group and their chaperone. If any girl is caught by themselves or without their chaperone (even in the elevator just going down to get food or starbucks) -- they are immediately dismissed from the program. The girls while with their chaperones (on free time) are not allowed on the strip. They must find other ways to get between hotels without using the strip. The owner is very strict about rules and behavior when we go to VEgas. Seniors have a little more freedom (in that they only have 1 or 2 chap's plus the main coach, but they still must abide by the rules.

There are several other rules -- but they are all pretty much the same -- no stopping on the casiono floor wear your warm-up's through the casino, do not open your room door, ask first (basic safety). Vegas for us is not "play time" when you are a chap -- you are there to work and the girls are there to work.

We have had no causlty's yet.

Date: Wed Jun 11 6:31 AM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

So i have two daughters that both cheer. I know when we are away at competitions the girls have fun but tend to get a little crazy. I know that i have raised my girls right, but im not quit sure how other parents have raised their kids. When we were in Vegas i found out that a stranger thought that my daughter was much older than she really is and he bought her a drink. Also i saw many cheerleaders from other teams drunk & i just wanted to see how other parents deal with these kind of situations.

-cheer mom.

How about this one team Moms that are really into the drinking. Listen I know it is a chance for people to unwind after a comp. but last year was a little much You do not know if she is tipsy, drunk, or hung over. Not to mention the mood swings. I hope better choices are made when deciding who to place in charge of our kids.

Date: Wed Jun 11 6:44 AM, 2008

Maybe going to Las Vegas for a competition with the younger teams is not such a good idea. Its perfect for college level though!

Date: Wed Jun 11 8:09 AM, 2008

I have seen this type of behavoir first hand at my old gym where the owners/coaches got drunk in the hotel lobby night after night at the away comps. I personally think it lacks a lot of class to do this while you are "working" and running a business. I know some might argue the fact that it was the evening and they were "off the clock". Well, we never really performed well as a team at these comps and I do believe that it was the late nights for the coaches and athletes that had something to do with it. The kids didn't get enough sleep because while they were supposed to be in bed they were running around the hotel while the parents were down in the bar with the coaches. We all know how nasty hangovers and late nights can make you feel, so, do you think the coaches were at their best at the morning practice??? I like to have fun and drink like everyone else but I believe in a time and place for everything.

Date: Wed Jun 11 8:21 AM, 2008

You are right, but I do feel what they do on their off clock time is their business. I think maybe a smart thing to do is leave the hotel you are staying in, especially in vegas where there are so many other lobbies to party in, and then also know your limit as an adult. Parting does not always have to include being sloppy drunk, having a few drinks, dancing and then getting to bed in enough time to be up, ready, alert and aware the next day for competition should not be a problem for responsible adults.

Vegas Cheer · Veteran Member

I recently told another gym owner that we do our best to make sure our athletes act as they should but in the end, it is almost impossible to police 150 plus families. Our company, when we travel we do not travel with the girls. We get a room block for them at a moderate hotel and allow them to travel with their parents. They can stay elsewhere if they wish and many do. We as the staff do not stay in this hotel. This allows our staff to prepare for competition by resting and getting sleep versus what it used to be when we travelled as a team with the 3 am fire alarms and the girls who would run the halls. By placing the responsibility back into the parents hands, we relinquish the liability back to them. I have been one of those kids that broke the rules on out of town trips and after working in a law firm I have realized the reprecusions that could have fallen back on the gym owners and staff if anything happened. When we were in Dallas this year, I left the hotel to visit a friend who lives there. I received a call asking me to return to the hotel and deal with some issues. When I returned, I noticed the problem wasn't with the girls who were "travelling" with the company, but with the ones who's parents had gone out for the night. This is one reason why we as a company changed our travelling policy. Since then, we have had no problems.

Date: Wed Jun 11 9:29 AM, 2008

My kids are young and I travel with them to all comps for various reasons. The top 2 being that I simply WANT TO and because I NEED TO. I know that my kids, as like any others, try to get away with all sorts of things and it tends to be worse when we're away from home, amongst hords of other children. If they try silly things with me present, I shutter to think what they will actually try when I'm not there - with another adult present or not!

When we look at the behavior, temptations, and pressures of teenagers I think that it's even MORE necessary to have parents travel with them. I don't think that we should place the responsibility of these kids in the hands of these coaches and owners during times when WE could be there looking after our own kids. It's one thing to leave the kids under the guidance of coaches and owners at practice but at the comps...its time for parents to take back that responsibility. I am not saying this to allow coaches and owners freedom to run buck wild on these weekend comps and I certainly do NOT believe they are on their own time at these comps, even when the kids are not competing or at a meeting or practice place. It's a weekend competition. Most, if not all, of us have clauses in our contracts that specifically point out how the behavior of the athletes is a reflection of the gym and thus the actions and behaviors of those athletes are expected to well represent the gym at all times. Even the USASF has stepped in to control disorderly conduct where being under the influence is concerned. Do owners impose the same restrictions and guidelines on themselves and their coaches? If so, then its time to start implementing some restraint and ramifications for poor actions. It's not hard people. Don't wait til something happens to some child (Heaven forbid!) or even some drunken adult with clouded judgement. Owners, don't be linked to the co-owner, coach, or parent who's tied to the "accidental" drunk driver collision, drunken fall of some balcony, dui driver vs. pedestrian, or violent episode. Parents, take responsibility for your own kids! If you can't be there yourself ask a grandparent. If you don't trust anyone to take your place then put your child in local cheer and call it a day. If I see one more episode of E!THS on Nightmare Proms and Spring Breaks I'm gonna scream! Mainly because I foresee an episode on Nightmare Cheer Comps! You can think I'm over the top if you want, I don't really care. I think this is being taken way too lightly by far too many people.

Take a stand! Stop the madness!

Date: Wed Jun 11 9:35 AM, 2008

Omg the coaches should have so said something if they are underage then shouldnt of been let into the adult section of the hotel. If the kids were caught drunk you should have found out wut team they were on and told there coaches because they are representing there team and when they are wearing any thing from the team it canruin there reputation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! bleh

Date: Wed Jun 11 9:39 AM, 2008

Fact: There are coaches AND owners are well aware of drug use and consumption of alcohol by their kids who took no stand at all. Don't know why. Maybe they were afraid it might cost them a first place win or something. bleh

Date: Wed Jun 11 11:06 AM, 2008

Vegas Cheer wrote:

I recently told another gym owner that we do our best to make sure our athletes act as they should but in the end, it is almost impossible to police 150 plus families. Our company, when we travel we do not travel with the girls. We get a room block for them at a moderate hotel and allow them to travel with their parents. They can stay elsewhere if they wish and many do. We as the staff do not stay in this hotel. This allows our staff to prepare for competition by resting and getting sleep versus what it used to be when we travelled as a team with the 3 am fire alarms and the girls who would run the halls. By placing the responsibility back into the parents hands, we relinquish the liability back to them. I have been one of those kids that broke the rules on out of town trips and after working in a law firm I have realized the reprecusions that could have fallen back on the gym owners and staff if anything happened. When we were in Dallas this year, I left the hotel to visit a friend who lives there. I received a call asking me to return to the hotel and deal with some issues. When I returned, I noticed the problem wasn't with the girls who were "travelling" with the company, but with the ones who's parents had gone out for the night. This is one reason why we as a company changed our travelling policy. Since then, we have had no problems.

Your comment 'By placing the responsibility back into the parents hands, we relinquish the liability back to them.", and "This is one reason why we as a company changed our travelling policy. Since then, we have had no problems" sorta made me laugh a little. I agree that parents need to be responsibile for thier children, and yes I don't think it is the gyms, or the coaches for that matter who are responsible for policing our children. I do think a gym needs to have strick policy regarding behavior (whats not acceptable) and enforce it. I chuckled at your comments because you stated "You have not had any futher problems", well it's because your not there. You may have divorced yourselves from the problems, but I would rest assured that the same issues are going on with, or without you. I also agree with the comment in one of the above posts that when your in uniform your behavior reflects directly on the gym. Bad behavior makes the whole gym look bad, and it's a hard reputation to live down.