not a negative post

Date: Mon May 5 11:33 AM, 2008

RE: not a negative post

Date: Mon May 5 12:01 PM, 2008

I have a feeling the kids who were cussed at are older and can handle it, just like in ANY OTHER SPORT. These moms that try to shield their kids from the difficult things in life drive me nuts. Please, give your kids some credit and teach them that in life they may be yelled at, cussed at, etc... and teach them how not to take it personal. The ones that can learn from it and brush off comments that others might find offensive are the ones that will succeed in life.

Date: Mon May 5 12:32 PM, 2008

Being a young adult and have played football and cheerleaded for many years, i definatly know ive been yelled and screamed at but i cant remember a single time, maybe one but its not very visual. What i do remember is stepping off the floor at worlds in 2008, or playing in the CCS finals for football in 2007, or playing in the championship game in 1999 for football (yes i was 10).. Those are the memories i can cherish now and still thank and look up to my previous coaches and teammates who i am still friends with and keep in touch with.. JMO

Kyle McCarthy

Date: Mon May 5 8:40 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Oldcheermom I think you are completely out of line here. I can say as a cheerleader from a different gym, we all feel the way this kid does. We all practice our booties off. My practices didint go until ten at night but they did go until nine. Sure, kids got sick. I am sure a lot athletes miss meals as well. I can tell you I certainly did. Eating right before practice can contribute a ton to the throwing up during. Also, I would be a little worried if my coaches didnt drive my team and push us as hard as they could. It sounds weird, but the coaches are just as much a part of the team as the athletes. And I think everyone at some point in time wants to beat their coach to the ground especially when they say "one more time" and we have already performed that trick what seems to be a million times. Get over yourself. As a parent you should be mature enough to not bash other gyms.

I agree completely.

As a mom I can understand where Oldcheermom is coming from. 5 nights a week for many hours a night interfears with school and other activities. I understand the need to win but at what cost? I do not want cheerleading to come before grades and other high school commitments. I think this is something the USASF should address as to how many hours a week is appropriate for practice. Congratulations CA on your amazing year but I hope you have not only good athletes but well rounded children at your gym.

It's up to the parents to decide whether or not to let your kids participate in cheer and if you think it's affecting thier well rounded...ness (is that a word?) then by all means do not let them participate. You know your kids better than anyone else....welll your supposed to.........it's not up to USASF to make this decision....that's why there's different programs out there some practice more than others...and that in itself defines who will be the top competitors at worlds.....

Usually 5 nights a week is 2 weeks before worlds....the rest of the season is usually 3 nights a week...

Date: Tue May 6 10:00 AM, 2008

This is absolutely ridiculous.

I am a girl who has played almost every sport in the book ending up with cheer as my last. In NONE of my other sports were the parents EVER like this. My cheer coaches were SO grateful for the kids like me that came from other sports because our parents didn't raise hell over CRAP.

There is no way anybody looking from the outside will ever respect a "sport" and call it such when it has parents like this. I can only imagine my friends reactions if they saw this. Just one more reason for people to not believe that cheer is a sport. In sports people don't complain about things like this.

As a society, we are raising a bunch of overpriveleged whiners and teaching them that if things get too hard, they should run the other way, because there is an easier route around to get to that which they "deserve".

When a class act finally comes around and shows that there are still kids around who understand that that is not the case, actually APPRECIATE life's harder lessons, and appreciate the people that help along the way, you take his thread and turn it into trash.

I don't care what anybody says, oldcheermom knew what she was saying and where it would take this thread. She masked it well, but it's not hard to see intentions through a shroud. She could have at least tried to be classy and start another thread. How tacky.

Alex, you are an amazing young man. Don't let anybody here taint your experience. You went through what any CHAMPION athlete would and came out of it a CHAMPION and a classy one at that. You make me wish I was young enough to cheer again.

Date: Tue May 6 11:43 AM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

This is absolutely ridiculous.

I am a girl who has played almost every sport in the book ending up with cheer as my last. In NONE of my other sports were the parents EVER like this. My cheer coaches were SO grateful for the kids like me that came from other sports because our parents didn't raise hell over CRAP.

There is no way anybody looking from the outside will ever respect a "sport" and call it such when it has parents like this. I can only imagine my friends reactions if they saw this. Just one more reason for people to not believe that cheer is a sport. In sports people don't complain about things like this.

As a society, we are raising a bunch of overpriveleged whiners and teaching them that if things get too hard, they should run the other way, because there is an easier route around to get to that which they "deserve".

When a class act finally comes around and shows that there are still kids around who understand that that is not the case, actually APPRECIATE life's harder lessons, and appreciate the people that help along the way, you take his thread and turn it into trash.

I don't care what anybody says, oldcheermom knew what she was saying and where it would take this thread. She masked it well, but it's not hard to see intentions through a shroud. She could have at least tried to be classy and start another thread. How tacky.

Alex, you are an amazing young man. Don't let anybody here taint your experience. You went through what any CHAMPION athlete would and came out of it a CHAMPION and a classy one at that. You make me wish I was young enough to cheer again.

I am going to have to disagree with you. "As a society" I know you don't know me so please don't lump me in with "As a society" I have always taught my kids to finish what they start. I never want them to quit something because it's the easy way out. I also want them to know the difference between working hard to achieve their goals versus being verbally abused by a coach who has a self destructive need to achieve a win.

BTW in EVERY sport their will and always will be parents who complain.

Date: Tue May 6 12:20 PM, 2008

Seriously now! I would LOVE to know if Cheer Athletics and/or Top Gun and/or Spirit of Texas tolerates abusive coaching? Doubt it! Actually, I've asked and been told not, but I am not there to know for sure. This is primarily about 1 coach and 1 method. Let's be realistic

Date: Tue May 6 12:30 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:
Seriously now! I would LOVE to know if Cheer Athletics and/or Top Gun and/or Spirit of Texas tolerates abusive coaching? Doubt it! Actually, I've asked and been told not, but I am not there to know for sure. This is primarily about 1 coach and 1 method. Let's be realistic

Seriously now! If you want to be realistic why don't you sign your name instead of posting a anonymous slanderous comment like this. If you know this to be fact why can't you be brave enough back it up. Right now your coming off as someone with an axe to grind against this individual. I only hope for your sake that one day your name is not plaster all over a public message board and comments like this are not posted about you.

Date: Tue May 6 12:38 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Seriously now! I would LOVE to know if Cheer Athletics and/or Top Gun and/or Spirit of Texas tolerates abusive coaching? Doubt it! Actually, I've asked and been told not, but I am not there to know for sure. This is primarily about 1 coach and 1 method. Let's be realistic

Seriously now! If you want to be realistic why don't you sign your name instead of posting a anonymous slanderous comment like this. If you know this to be fact why can't you be brave enough back it up. Right now your coming off as someone with an axe to grind against this individual. I only hope for your sake that one day your name is not plaster all over a public message board and comments like this are not posted about you.

The post did not have the name of the individual (and as far as I'm concerned I don't know who they are talking about). However, if you are posting a response stating it is slanderous and assuming it is a particular individual...then perhaps that individuals methods are suspect? Just a thought.

Date: Tue May 6 12:41 PM, 2008

Where are the monitors??????

Tamara · cheergyms.com Master Poster

Alex, I loved your post! It was well thought out and obviously very cherished by you. Thank you for sharing that moment with us.

Date: Tue May 6 1:11 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

This is absolutely ridiculous.

I am a girl who has played almost every sport in the book ending up with cheer as my last. In NONE of my other sports were the parents EVER like this. My cheer coaches were SO grateful for the kids like me that came from other sports because our parents didn't raise hell over CRAP.

There is no way anybody looking from the outside will ever respect a "sport" and call it such when it has parents like this. I can only imagine my friends reactions if they saw this. Just one more reason for people to not believe that cheer is a sport. In sports people don't complain about things like this.

As a society, we are raising a bunch of overpriveleged whiners and teaching them that if things get too hard, they should run the other way, because there is an easier route around to get to that which they "deserve".

When a class act finally comes around and shows that there are still kids around who understand that that is not the case, actually APPRECIATE life's harder lessons, and appreciate the people that help along the way, you take his thread and turn it into trash.

I don't care what anybody says, oldcheermom knew what she was saying and where it would take this thread. She masked it well, but it's not hard to see intentions through a shroud. She could have at least tried to be classy and start another thread. How tacky.

Alex, you are an amazing young man. Don't let anybody here taint your experience. You went through what any CHAMPION athlete would and came out of it a CHAMPION and a classy one at that. You make me wish I was young enough to cheer again.

I am going to have to disagree with you. "As a society" I know you don't know me so please don't lump me in with "As a society" I have always taught my kids to finish what they start. I never want them to quit something because it's the easy way out. I also want them to know the difference between working hard to achieve their goals versus being verbally abused by a coach who has a self destructive need to achieve a win.

BTW in EVERY sport their will and always will be parents who complain.

You can teach them to finish what they start all you want but it won't make a spec of difference in the real world if they don't know the difference between a legitimate complaint and whining. If they are going to sit there and whine, I sure as hell don't want to be on their team.

Yeah you're right they do complain. But its not a lot of the same BS that you guys complain about. I never heard such trivial BS until I started cheering. Thank the good Lord that my parents were not like that. They were supportive and loving without being annoying and overprotective and as a result they raised a tough little girl that achieves her dreams because she knows what it takes.

I think you need to go visit a practice with a football, soccer, volleyball, etc coach that has a winning team. Listen to what the coach says. It will not be any different.

And it is NOT abusive.

That word has been flung around so much that it must be SO insulting to those that have actually been abused. Everyone here needs to stop using that word so lightly.

Alex, once again, I am so sorry that your heartfelt words were turned into such a mess.

Date: Tue May 6 1:45 PM, 2008

I dont know that it's a mess..it's someones opionion. And if your going to post something you have to expect both negative and positive feedback. That's just the way these things work. I think Alex responses were very well put.

Alex, I thought it was a very nice post! And I wish you the best. Your an inspiration to a lot of people. I admire you. I shared your posts with my daughter to see that you can be well educated and be involved in cheer. She seems to think that her life is just so busy - although she has lot's of time for texting!

Date: Tue May 6 2:22 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

This is absolutely ridiculous.

I am a girl who has played almost every sport in the book ending up with cheer as my last. In NONE of my other sports were the parents EVER like this. My cheer coaches were SO grateful for the kids like me that came from other sports because our parents didn't raise hell over CRAP.

There is no way anybody looking from the outside will ever respect a "sport" and call it such when it has parents like this. I can only imagine my friends reactions if they saw this. Just one more reason for people to not believe that cheer is a sport. In sports people don't complain about things like this.

As a society, we are raising a bunch of overpriveleged whiners and teaching them that if things get too hard, they should run the other way, because there is an easier route around to get to that which they "deserve".

When a class act finally comes around and shows that there are still kids around who understand that that is not the case, actually APPRECIATE life's harder lessons, and appreciate the people that help along the way, you take his thread and turn it into trash.

I don't care what anybody says, oldcheermom knew what she was saying and where it would take this thread. She masked it well, but it's not hard to see intentions through a shroud. She could have at least tried to be classy and start another thread. How tacky.

Alex, you are an amazing young man. Don't let anybody here taint your experience. You went through what any CHAMPION athlete would and came out of it a CHAMPION and a classy one at that. You make me wish I was young enough to cheer again.

I am going to have to disagree with you. "As a society" I know you don't know me so please don't lump me in with "As a society" I have always taught my kids to finish what they start. I never want them to quit something because it's the easy way out. I also want them to know the difference between working hard to achieve their goals versus being verbally abused by a coach who has a self destructive need to achieve a win.

BTW in EVERY sport their will and always will be parents who complain.

You can teach them to finish what they start all you want but it won't make a spec of difference in the real world if they don't know the difference between a legitimate complaint and whining. They know the difference but I am not sure that you do.

If they are going to sit there and whine, I sure as hell don't want to be on their team.
Great we agree on this.

Yeah you're right they do complain. But its not a lot of the same BS that you guys complain about. I never heard such trivial BS until I started cheering. Thank the good Lord that my parents were not like that. They were supportive and loving without being annoying and overprotective and as a result they raised a tough little girl that
achieves her dreams because she knows what it takes.

I am very supportive and loving to my children. I have a fantastic relationship with all of my kids. Not one of them would call me annoying or overprotective.
As a result I have one going to medical school and the other attending nursing school. As far as the youngest well that one would like to be something I am not entirely sure I agree with only because I want her to be a stong independent women and become capable of supporting herself.
If she chooses her to pursue her "dream job" I will still stand behind her 100%

I think you need to go visit a practice with a football, soccer, volleyball, etc coach that has a winning team. Listen to what the coach says. It will not be any different.
All I am going to say about this is not everyone is as they seem.

And it is NOT abusive.
Sorry I still disagree but thats okay we don't have to agree on everything now do we.

That word has been flung around so much that it must be SO insulting to those that have actually been abused. Everyone here needs to stop using that word so lightly.

Well since I have been the victom of abuse. Id like you to know I am not insulted in the least.

Alex, once again, I am so sorry that your heartfelt words were turned into such a mess.You do realize that you are only adding on to this mess with your anger infused opinion.

Alex it's nice to see you so passionate about this sport you love so very much. Goodluck with your new season.

Date: Tue May 6 2:58 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

This is absolutely ridiculous.

I am a girl who has played almost every sport in the book ending up with cheer as my last. In NONE of my other sports were the parents EVER like this. My cheer coaches were SO grateful for the kids like me that came from other sports because our parents didn't raise hell over CRAP.

There is no way anybody looking from the outside will ever respect a "sport" and call it such when it has parents like this. I can only imagine my friends reactions if they saw this. Just one more reason for people to not believe that cheer is a sport. In sports people don't complain about things like this.

As a society, we are raising a bunch of overpriveleged whiners and teaching them that if things get too hard, they should run the other way, because there is an easier route around to get to that which they "deserve".

When a class act finally comes around and shows that there are still kids around who understand that that is not the case, actually APPRECIATE life's harder lessons, and appreciate the people that help along the way, you take his thread and turn it into trash.

I don't care what anybody says, oldcheermom knew what she was saying and where it would take this thread. She masked it well, but it's not hard to see intentions through a shroud. She could have at least tried to be classy and start another thread. How tacky.

Alex, you are an amazing young man. Don't let anybody here taint your experience. You went through what any CHAMPION athlete would and came out of it a CHAMPION and a classy one at that. You make me wish I was young enough to cheer again.

I am going to have to disagree with you. "As a society" I know you don't know me so please don't lump me in with "As a society" I have always taught my kids to finish what they start. I never want them to quit something because it's the easy way out. I also want them to know the difference between working hard to achieve their goals versus being verbally abused by a coach who has a self destructive need to achieve a win.

BTW in EVERY sport their will and always will be parents who complain.

You can teach them to finish what they start all you want but it won't make a spec of difference in the real world if they don't know the difference between a legitimate complaint and whining. They know the difference but I am not sure that you do.

If they are going to sit there and whine, I sure as hell don't want to be on their team.
Great we agree on this.

Yeah you're right they do complain. But its not a lot of the same BS that you guys complain about. I never heard such trivial BS until I started cheering. Thank the good Lord that my parents were not like that. They were supportive and loving without being annoying and overprotective and as a result they raised a tough little girl that
achieves her dreams because she knows what it takes.

I am very supportive and loving to my children. I have a fantastic relationship with all of my kids. Not one of them would call me annoying or overprotective.
As a result I have one going to medical school and the other attending nursing school. As far as the youngest well that one would like to be something I am not entirely sure I agree with only because I want her to be a stong independent women and become capable of supporting herself.
If she chooses her to pursue her "dream job" I will still stand behind her 100%

I think you need to go visit a practice with a football, soccer, volleyball, etc coach that has a winning team. Listen to what the coach says. It will not be any different.
All I am going to say about this is not everyone is as they seem.

And it is NOT abusive.
Sorry I still disagree but thats okay we don't have to agree on everything now do we.

That word has been flung around so much that it must be SO insulting to those that have actually been abused. Everyone here needs to stop using that word so lightly.

Well since I have been the victom of abuse. Id like you to know I am not insulted in the least.

Alex, once again, I am so sorry that your heartfelt words were turned into such a mess.You do realize that you are only adding on to this mess with your anger infused opinion.

Alex it's nice to see you so passionate about this sport you love so very much. Goodluck with your new season.

Of course I'm angry that a positive post was turned into a negative one. That seems bad to you? Hmm. Interesting.

You missed my point completely, worked around what you didn't and won't understand, took everything personally and went in a totally different direction. Kudos.

I too have been a victim. But not by my parents or coaches. It actually took me getting hardcore into sports to realize the difference between abuse and being pushed to do your best. And yes, I am insulted. But to each their own.

Good luck to all of your children, especially your youngest. I spent a lot of time in school working on getting my degrees as fast as possible, but this year after I get them I will be going from part-time to full-time in an industry where less than half of percent succeed. But I have done exceedingly well in it so far, especially for someone who was only part-time and in school beyond full-time. And it was because my parents knew that it takes a strong independent woman in the first place to go for that sort of thing, and that kind of woman WILL be able to support herself. And I have and will continue to. I come from a family of doctors, lawyers, and businessmen/women and everyone thought I would do the same. But I'm going off in a different direction and my parents are wholeheartedly happy for me and thrilled about my successes along the way even though its very hard and they see that. And despite the fact that I will soon have two degrees that I will possibly never use lol

Let's leave it alone. I'm just happy that you appreciate his passion. That's all I care about.

Date: Tue May 6 3:15 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

This is absolutely ridiculous.

I am a girl who has played almost every sport in the book ending up with cheer as my last. In NONE of my other sports were the parents EVER like this. My cheer coaches were SO grateful for the kids like me that came from other sports because our parents didn't raise hell over CRAP.

There is no way anybody looking from the outside will ever respect a "sport" and call it such when it has parents like this. I can only imagine my friends reactions if they saw this. Just one more reason for people to not believe that cheer is a sport. In sports people don't complain about things like this.

As a society, we are raising a bunch of overpriveleged whiners and teaching them that if things get too hard, they should run the other way, because there is an easier route around to get to that which they "deserve".

When a class act finally comes around and shows that there are still kids around who understand that that is not the case, actually APPRECIATE life's harder lessons, and appreciate the people that help along the way, you take his thread and turn it into trash.

I don't care what anybody says, oldcheermom knew what she was saying and where it would take this thread. She masked it well, but it's not hard to see intentions through a shroud. She could have at least tried to be classy and start another thread. How tacky.

Alex, you are an amazing young man. Don't let anybody here taint your experience. You went through what any CHAMPION athlete would and came out of it a CHAMPION and a classy one at that. You make me wish I was young enough to cheer again.

I am going to have to disagree with you. "As a society" I know you don't know me so please don't lump me in with "As a society" I have always taught my kids to finish what they start. I never want them to quit something because it's the easy way out. I also want them to know the difference between working hard to achieve their goals versus being verbally abused by a coach who has a self destructive need to achieve a win.

BTW in EVERY sport their will and always will be parents who complain.

You can teach them to finish what they start all you want but it won't make a spec of difference in the real world if they don't know the difference between a legitimate complaint and whining. They know the difference but I am not sure that you do.

If they are going to sit there and whine, I sure as hell don't want to be on their team.
Great we agree on this.

Yeah you're right they do complain. But its not a lot of the same BS that you guys complain about. I never heard such trivial BS until I started cheering. Thank the good Lord that my parents were not like that. They were supportive and loving without being annoying and overprotective and as a result they raised a tough little girl that
achieves her dreams because she knows what it takes.

I am very supportive and loving to my children. I have a fantastic relationship with all of my kids. Not one of them would call me annoying or overprotective.
As a result I have one going to medical school and the other attending nursing school. As far as the youngest well that one would like to be something I am not entirely sure I agree with only because I want her to be a stong independent women and become capable of supporting herself.
If she chooses her to pursue her "dream job" I will still stand behind her 100%

I think you need to go visit a practice with a football, soccer, volleyball, etc coach that has a winning team. Listen to what the coach says. It will not be any different.
All I am going to say about this is not everyone is as they seem.

And it is NOT abusive.
Sorry I still disagree but thats okay we don't have to agree on everything now do we.

That word has been flung around so much that it must be SO insulting to those that have actually been abused. Everyone here needs to stop using that word so lightly.

Well since I have been the victom of abuse. Id like you to know I am not insulted in the least.

Alex, once again, I am so sorry that your heartfelt words were turned into such a mess.You do realize that you are only adding on to this mess with your anger infused opinion.

Alex it's nice to see you so passionate about this sport you love so very much. Goodluck with your new season.

Of course I'm angry that a positive post was turned into a negative one. That seems bad to you? Hmm. Interesting.

You missed my point completely, worked around what you didn't and won't understand, took everything personally and went in a totally different direction. Kudos.

I too have been a victim. But not by my parents or coaches. It actually took me getting hardcore into sports to realize the difference between abuse and being pushed to do your best. And yes, I am insulted. But to each their own.

Good luck to all of your children, especially your youngest. I spent a lot of time in school working on getting my degrees as fast as possible, but this year after I get them I will be going from part-time to full-time in an industry where less than half of percent succeed. But I have done exceedingly well in it so far, especially for someone who was only part-time and in school beyond full-time. And it was because my parents knew that it takes a strong independent woman in the first place to go for that sort of thing, and that kind of woman WILL be able to support herself. And I have and will continue to. I come from a family of doctors, lawyers, and businessmen/women and everyone thought I would do the same. But I'm going off in a different direction and my parents are wholeheartedly happy for me and thrilled about my successes along the way even though its very hard and they see that. And despite the fact that I will soon have two degrees that I will possibly never use lol

Let's leave it alone. I'm just happy that you appreciate his passion. That's all I care about.

Yes I agree let's leave this all alone. Except I do want to say thank you for telling me a little bit about yourself. I can feel the passion for what you want out of life in your words. I do want to support my daughter in whatever she chooses to do with her career but as a parent I have to tell you It is hard not to worry for them.