Coaches that gym hop.

AChamp · Veteran Member

RE: Coaches that gym hop.

Date: Fri Apr 4 1:01 PM, 2008

Sure you don't cut all ties with those people, but.....

You are saying you do functions with those 50+ people that the emails were sent to? I think not... A few yes. From your response I can tell you are one of the coaches.

When we parents were talking to each other about mass emails that were sent out this past weekend and that some of us have not talked to Coach A & B since them leaving gym A. Then NO... It is not ok!

Date: Fri Apr 4 1:07 PM, 2008

Actually I am not one of the coaches. I was just trying to play devils advocate, LOL! Take it easy.

Date: Fri Apr 4 1:16 PM, 2008

how about amom who left a gym because she wanted to run things her way and then she coached at school as the elemenatry coach and burned bridges there as well and know is involved in a new gym opening and had enough nerve to send out emails to the former gyms clients asking them to join the gym. mind you she got the emails addresses by being involved in a parent club and by emails that were sent out to parents in general. and is now taking cheerleaders form the school program.
she has no experience in all stars and her whole puprose was to run things and when she couldnt do it at the gym she tried at the school and now has a gym with someone else. talk about no business ethics.
we all saw it coming and she should be ashamed of her self but this is the same lady who cheats on her husband and breaks up families
so what do you expect bleh

this is all in about a 3 - 4 year time frame

Date: Fri Apr 4 1:33 PM, 2008

Here it is the law does state that you cannot hold someone to a covent not to compete if this is their sole way to provide to their family and their career. It is however upheld in situations where someone is a volunteer or this is not their regular occupation. A case was just won and the coach had to pay restitution to the gym in California. The coach signed this covent not to compete and lost I am suprised nobody has heard about this case. It was just last year. The coach was taken to court and lost the GYM prevailed.

Date: Fri Apr 4 1:58 PM, 2008

Great to know and good for gym owners who experienced what so many of us have! I dont know the specifics to this case but will research it and will consider a case against this mom.

Date: Fri Apr 4 4:01 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

how about amom who left a gym because she wanted to run things her way and then she coached at school as the elemenatry coach and burned bridges there as well and know is involved in a new gym opening and had enough nerve to send out emails to the former gyms clients asking them to join the gym. mind you she got the emails addresses by being involved in a parent club and by emails that were sent out to parents in general. and is now taking cheerleaders form the school program.
she has no experience in all stars and her whole puprose was to run things and when she couldnt do it at the gym she tried at the school and now has a gym with someone else. talk about no business ethics.
we all saw it coming and she should be ashamed of her self but this is the same lady who cheats on her husband and breaks up families
so what do you expect

this is all in about a 3 - 4 year time frame

in given time, those parents will learn the hard way. They probelm is the kids will be the ones who get burned! Some women just NEVER groew up.

Date: Fri Apr 4 4:30 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Here it is the law does state that you cannot hold someone to a covent not to compete if this is their sole way to provide to their family and their career. It is however upheld in situations where someone is a volunteer or this is not their regular occupation. A case was just won and the coach had to pay restitution to the gym in California. The coach signed this covent not to compete and lost I am suprised nobody has heard about this case. It was just last year. The coach was taken to court and lost the GYM prevailed.

This is good to know. However I think that once the new company gets wind that this person signed this agreement then essentially breached the agreement it is a great indication that the person is not honest or trust worthy and therfore the new company will not likely hire that person. They wont want someone they cant trust working for them. The coach will have a bad name in the community and probably willl not likely get another job because this kind of news spreads fast in the cheer world. Nobody wants someone like this working for them. So legal or not they are not worth having

Date: Sat Apr 5 6:37 AM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Sure you don't cut all ties with those people, but.....

You are saying you do functions with those 50+ people that the emails were sent to? I think not... A few yes. From your response I can tell you are one of the coaches.

When we parents were talking to each other about mass emails that were sent out this past weekend and that some of us have not talked to Coach A & B since them leaving gym A. Then NO... It is not ok!

No, this coach DIDN'T have a personal relationship with every parent on the email and phone list. There are a couple of people that stayed in contact with this coach for their own personal reasons and a couple of others would just stay polite.

People on this board mention the RED FLAGs about coaches that gym hop and what it takes to keep the coaches in the gym *cough**cough* money. This coach was set up nicely. Working the private lessons, getting a great salary (working parttime), and even receiving medical benefits. Darn good set up if you as me.

For this coach to turn around and send mass emails, it's just plain wrong in my book.

Date: Sat Apr 5 7:37 AM, 2008

AChamp wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

AChamp wrote:

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What ever happened to giving and holding to your word? Seems like all these coaches looking for loopholes.

what some of you people are STILL not getting is that all star cheer is NOT little leauge or AYSO or pop warner... these ARE NOT VOLUNTEERS they are paid professionals... good coaches are expensive because gyms compete to get them by making offers of higher salaries... for someone like me cheerleading is my CAREER and my only source of income... i mix music full time and run an all star gym as well as do choreography... i am paid VERY VERY WELL for this but if you are not getting paid what you should for what you do then you need to do what you gotta do to pay the bills... I have done this as well as MANY of my friends in the same situation. I dont know of ANYONE in any industry that would stay at a job under some of the same conditions... ITS NOT ABOUT LOYALTY OR "YOUR WORD" ITS ABOUT RESPECT AND APPRECIATION OF THE EMPLOYEE

Paying someone well is not respecting them. Respect is how you are treated day in and day out. Have worked at many gyms and been paid well, but that doesn't mean the respect was there. I think it is about loyalty, bottom line. I know of coaches who would never leave their gym until it closed their doors, and others who are one foot out of the door if another offer comes up. Its about values, bottom line.

im talking about respect as well as getting paid what you deserve... and LOYALTY IS EARNED by being respected as well as getting paid well... how can you be loyal if you dont have that... also thats fine if a coaches DECIDES to stay with a gym until it dies, thats their choice but like i said if this is your career sometimes you have to do what you have to do to pay the bills... values has nothing to do with that... i think you need to take up pop warner... im not trying to fight with people IM SIMPLY STATING THE FACTS AS SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN IN THE SITUATION AND HAS ALL STAR CHEER AS THEIR CAREER... i know what im talking about

An owner will respect you if you are open to growing and learning while coaching. You may know what you are talking about, but you can still learn a thing or two. Everyone can!

Date: Sat Apr 5 7:42 AM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

What if you're personal friends with those parents? What if you have gone to funtions with them outside the gym and maintain a relationship after you left? Yes you wouldn't have met them without gym A but are you saying that you cuts all ties because you are not with gym A?

I guess it's all about how you approach the situation. Did you ask them personally or send out a recruiting flyer? Personally letting your "freinds" know what you are doing may be just fine, but a formal letter, mailer, or email is pushing the limit. If this is you, you are just plain WRONG!!!!!! cry

Date: Sat Apr 5 10:50 AM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

What if you're personal friends with those parents? What if you have gone to funtions with them outside the gym and maintain a relationship after you left? Yes you wouldn't have met them without gym A but are you saying that you cuts all ties because you are not with gym A?

I guess it's all about how you approach the situation. Did you ask them personally or send out a recruiting flyer? Personally letting your "freinds" know what you are doing may be just fine, but a formal letter, mailer, or email is pushing the limit. If this is you, you are just plain WRONG!!!!!!

Since we are talking about this, I think we should throw Verizon's name into the mix too! I am a TMobile fan for life and I'm tired of getting mailers and emails from Verizon! I mean, just who do they think they are?! Its just plain WRONG!!!!!

Date: Sat Apr 5 11:02 AM, 2008

I am a parent who still has ties with other programs and coaches. I could receive a solicitation every day and it would not change my mind about where I want my daughter to cheer. People do not leave if they are happy and we all know what options are out there. I sympathize with gym owners, I am sure it would be annoying if an ex coach was recruiting your girls, we all can be a little territorial and take things too personally.

Date: Sat Apr 5 11:06 AM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

What if you're personal friends with those parents? What if you have gone to funtions with them outside the gym and maintain a relationship after you left? Yes you wouldn't have met them without gym A but are you saying that you cuts all ties because you are not with gym A?

I guess it's all about how you approach the situation. Did you ask them personally or send out a recruiting flyer? Personally letting your "freinds" know what you are doing may be just fine, but a formal letter, mailer, or email is pushing the limit. If this is you, you are just plain WRONG!!!!!!

Since we are talking about this, I think we should throw Verizon's name into the mix too! I am a TMobile fan for life and I'm tired of getting mailers and emails from Verizon! I mean, just who do they think they are?! Its just plain WRONG!!!!!

This is something completely different. A company like Verizon would have to attain your address from either two source - 1.) You completed in interest form of some type, like registering for a car at a locate mall (this would have been under your consent); or 2.) Verizon- identified you under a demographic criteria - as a cell phone consumer though an agreement with T-Mobile. T-Mobile could be profiting from sharing the information - who knows.

In either event the address data of which you provided was under your consent whether you were knowingly aware - you probably signed a release form.

The issue here, on the board, is using addresses/emails without the previous gym owners or customers consent. Thats just plain wrong.

It's really not a spring board for which this new owner should be jumping off of. She needs to understand that all her employees are not of honor and in time will create bigger problems down the road.

Date: Sat Apr 5 2:57 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

What if you're personal friends with those parents? What if you have gone to funtions with them outside the gym and maintain a relationship after you left? Yes you wouldn't have met them without gym A but are you saying that you cuts all ties because you are not with gym A?

I guess it's all about how you approach the situation. Did you ask them personally or send out a recruiting flyer? Personally letting your "freinds" know what you are doing may be just fine, but a formal letter, mailer, or email is pushing the limit. If this is you, you are just plain WRONG!!!!!!

Since we are talking about this, I think we should throw Verizon's name into the mix too! I am a TMobile fan for life and I'm tired of getting mailers and emails from Verizon! I mean, just who do they think they are?! Its just plain WRONG!!!!!
This is something completely different. A company like Verizon would have to attain your address from either two source - 1.) You completed in interest form of some type, like registering for a car at a locate mall (this would have been under your consent); or 2.) Verizon- identified you under a demographic criteria - as a cell phone consumer though an agreement with T-Mobile. T-Mobile could be profiting from sharing the information - who knows.

In either event the address data of which you provided was under your consent whether you were knowingly aware - you probably signed a release form.

The issue here, on the board, is using addresses/emails without the previous gym owners or customers consent. Thats just plain wrong.

It's really not a spring board for which this new owner should be jumping off of. She needs to understand that all her employees are not of honor and in time will create bigger problems down the road.

Are you telling me that all the solicitations I get in my inbox all day mean that I have signed up and consented for them to email me? NO! (and if so then I have a lot of problems I didnt even know about!

Its business and your names, addresses, emails and just about everything can be found and used by a business to contact you. We live in America for a reason people. Anybody can send something they may think interests you at any time. If you dont want it hit delete and move on..............

As far as coaches go, anybody is free to leave a job for somebody else. Sometimes there are millionares that leave jobs they hate to go and find something better. Nobody should OWN somebody else. Again we live in the USA where dreams and goals are able to be achieved and fulfilled by all. Make your choice and good luck with it!

Date: Sat Apr 5 3:33 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

What if you're personal friends with those parents? What if you have gone to funtions with them outside the gym and maintain a relationship after you left? Yes you wouldn't have met them without gym A but are you saying that you cuts all ties because you are not with gym A?

I guess it's all about how you approach the situation. Did you ask them personally or send out a recruiting flyer? Personally letting your "freinds" know what you are doing may be just fine, but a formal letter, mailer, or email is pushing the limit. If this is you, you are just plain WRONG!!!!!!

Since we are talking about this, I think we should throw Verizon's name into the mix too! I am a TMobile fan for life and I'm tired of getting mailers and emails from Verizon! I mean, just who do they think they are?! Its just plain WRONG!!!!!
This is something completely different. A company like Verizon would have to attain your address from either two source - 1.) You completed in interest form of some type, like registering for a car at a locate mall (this would have been under your consent); or 2.) Verizon- identified you under a demographic criteria - as a cell phone consumer though an agreement with T-Mobile. T-Mobile could be profiting from sharing the information - who knows.

In either event the address data of which you provided was under your consent whether you were knowingly aware - you probably signed a release form.

The issue here, on the board, is using addresses/emails without the previous gym owners or customers consent. Thats just plain wrong.

It's really not a spring board for which this new owner should be jumping off of. She needs to understand that all her employees are not of honor and in time will create bigger problems down the road.

Are you telling me that all the solicitations I get in my inbox all day mean that I have signed up and consented for them to email me? NO! (and if so then I have a lot of problems I didnt even know about! Its business and your names, addresses, emails and just about everything can be found and used by a business to contact you. We live in America for a reason people. Anybody can send something they may think interests you at any time. If you dont want it hit delete and move on..............

As far as coaches go, anybody is free to leave a job for somebody else. Sometimes there are millionares that leave jobs they hate to go and find something better. Nobody should OWN somebody else. Again we live in the USA where dreams and goals are able to be achieved and fulfilled by all. Make your choice and good luck with it!

Those emails that you are receiving are under the title of Phishing. This emails are sent out in mass production via an automatic computer generating application/program. These programs push out emails to random customers whether the customer has an interest in the product or not. And believe it or not there is a really good chance that you did give your consent to a reputable company allong the way, and that company SOLD thier email list to a not so reputable company...for huge profits. That's were I would agree with your "business is business" senario.

This situation discribed on this board is an employee that took emails from just one gym and sent out a direct mailing. This wasn't the same situation as you discribed. It was just a chance that maybe an email will find it's way to a cheerleader. The ex-coach targeted the previous gyms clients and only those clients, again with out anyone's consent.

Date: Sat Apr 5 3:36 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Sure you don't cut all ties with those people, but.....

You are saying you do functions with those 50+ people that the emails were sent to? I think not... A few yes. From your response I can tell you are one of the coaches.

When we parents were talking to each other about mass emails that were sent out this past weekend and that some of us have not talked to Coach A & B since them leaving gym A. Then NO... It is not ok!

No, this coach DIDN'T have a personal relationship with every parent on the email and phone list. There are a couple of people that stayed in contact with this coach for their own personal reasons and a couple of others would just stay polite.

People on this board mention the RED FLAGs about coaches that gym hop and what it takes to keep the coaches in the gym *cough**cough* money. This coach was set up nicely. Working the private lessons, getting a great salary (working parttime), and even receiving medical benefits. Darn good set up if you as me.

For this coach to turn around and send mass emails, it's just plain wrong in my book.

What does "superstar" stand for?

Date: Sat Apr 5 3:47 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Sure you don't cut all ties with those people, but.....

You are saying you do functions with those 50+ people that the emails were sent to? I think not... A few yes. From your response I can tell you are one of the coaches.

When we parents were talking to each other about mass emails that were sent out this past weekend and that some of us have not talked to Coach A & B since them leaving gym A. Then NO... It is not ok!

No, this coach DIDN'T have a personal relationship with every parent on the email and phone list. There are a couple of people that stayed in contact with this coach for their own personal reasons and a couple of others would just stay polite.

People on this board mention the RED FLAGs about coaches that gym hop and what it takes to keep the coaches in the gym *cough**cough* money. This coach was set up nicely. Working the private lessons, getting a great salary (working parttime), and even receiving medical benefits. Darn good set up if you as me.

For this coach to turn around and send mass emails, it's just plain wrong in my book.

What does "superstar" stand for?

I caught that too but didnt know if somebody was just being cute or it had a meaning..... confused

Date: Sat Apr 5 4:48 PM, 2008

If people are happy at their gym, an email or a coach enticing them doesn't matter a pile of doodly beans. Someone gym hops enough, their reputation will suffer. If I am happy with my gym, I will stay. If I like the coach better I will go (Caveat being-never mid-season! At try out time only.) It's just business.

Note, I don't consider gym hopping working at a place for a few years, then moving on. We do that ourselves every 5 - 7 years so far and it's been called building a really nice career.

People get too emotional about this stuff. Be confident people! People will stick with the gym they like, and if they don't...who needs them around to be negative. I think that gym owners who get all bent out of shape are baby wah-wahs. Get me good coaches, good choreography, good accounting and be organized and you can conquor the world (or WORLDS) with loyal gym members at your side.

Date: Sat Apr 5 6:20 PM, 2008

Gym hopping i think is when you have been to each and every gym within a 30 mile radius within 3-5 years depending upon the number of gyms in your area. We have a gym hopper. She and her kids have been to every gym in the area. I think she owes everyone money from unpaid debt. I think she just does not pay then moves to another gym. She then runs up another bill and moves to another gym. By the way she has talked so badly about every gym she has been at. She is going to have to move out of town if she keeps hopping she will run out of gyms and everyone in the area knows she has a bad rep..