POWER

Date: Sat Mar 22 1:56 AM, 2008

RE: POWER

Date: Sat Mar 22 2:53 AM, 2008

Power has one of the top 5 Large Senior teams in the country. Not California, I dont feel like they are afraid of anything. I think that both Cheergyms and Power are both just playing the advertising game.

For anyone to think that they are afraid, well why dont you ask them personally, maybe they just want to make it known that they will take girls that want the best of both worlds. Anyone that thinks that Power lacks depth in talent, look again. They are very talented. Dont overthink the new info that has been released.

Date: Sat Mar 22 3:34 AM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Power has one of the top 5 Large Senior teams in the country. Not California, I dont feel like they are afraid of anything. I think that both Cheergyms and Power are both just playing the advertising game.

For anyone to think that they are afraid, well why dont you ask them personally, maybe they just want to make it known that they will take girls that want the best of both worlds. Anyone that thinks that Power lacks depth in talent, look again. They are very talented. Dont overthink the new info that has been released.

Maybe his talent pool is growing small..... we do not know. If this had been going on this past season, why now go public? He has changed his prices and says he is, "the most affordable"-That is not true....maybe for the product he delivers, but other gyms can beat his price and still be very competitive on the cheer floor. I get what he is trying to do...and from a parents point of view is sounds good, but from a gym owners view, I see problems down the road.

Date: Sat Mar 22 4:08 AM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Power has one of the top 5 Large Senior teams in the country. Not California, I dont feel like they are afraid of anything. I think that both Cheergyms and Power are both just playing the advertising game.

For anyone to think that they are afraid, well why dont you ask them personally, maybe they just want to make it known that they will take girls that want the best of both worlds. Anyone that thinks that Power lacks depth in talent, look again. They are very talented. Dont overthink the new info that has been released.

Maybe his talent pool is growing small..... we do not know. If this had been going on this past season, why now go public? He has changed his prices and says he is, "the most affordable"-That is not true....maybe for the product he delivers, but other gyms can beat his price and still be very competitive on the cheer floor. I get what he is trying to do...and from a parents point of view is sounds good, but from a gym owners view, I see problems down the road.

Why do you see problems down the road. I think when he says that he is the most affordable, it is also for what you are getting. Meaning that Power provides high end cheerleading. I know that sounds silly, but allstar cheer is like buying car, you get what you pay for. When you pay for Power its like driving a bmw.

When it comes to him losing talent, I think he may be graduating quite a few kids and I think that is why he is offering the international open all girl team next year. To accomodate those girls 19 and up still in the area.

Date: Sat Mar 22 5:30 AM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

So what UCF said was true

ucf doesnt have level 5 cheerleaders and if you reacalled they denied saying this at all so no its not true

Why would this statement be made? Grow up and move on.

Date: Sat Mar 22 7:20 AM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

This seems rather expensive. Even if the gym owners waived tuition theyd still have to pay for uniforms and comp fees plus travel fees since most 5 teams travel.

Why not just do the 5 team instead of both?

Its hard when these girls have been coached by the same coach since they were 11 and now there 17. They are part of a family here at CX. But still they want to show their skills off thats why they go to other gyms since we dont have enough fulls for a level 5

Date: Sat Mar 22 7:50 AM, 2008

Maybe I'm wrong but this isn't very different than the partnership cheergyms has with other gyms, allowing them to cheer on their level 5 team, except you don't need to be partners with POWER, he is offering the opportunity to ANY gym.

Date: Sat Mar 22 8:20 AM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Maybe I'm wrong but this isn't very different than the partnership cheergyms has with other gyms, allowing them to cheer on their level 5 team, except you don't need to be partners with POWER, he is offering the opportunity to ANY gym.

What is your definition of a "partnership"? Is a handshake a partnership? Is a finanical exchange a partership? Is sharing your coaches with another gym a partnership?

I think the only official partnership that cheergyms is what ever it takes to allow the kids to cheer on their level 5 team. This was done this season and will continue to do so next season.

The announcement that has been made by Power is no different than cheergyms or any other gym acrossed the country. There is a partnership with gyms to allow individuals to complete on multiple teams. I know a male cheerleader that is flown from Texas to Floria, every other week, to perform on a "TOP" ranked team in Florida. In addition, this individual still cheers in his home based gym.

Date: Sat Mar 22 8:51 AM, 2008

Just some random thoughts after reading thru these posts. I quess I don't see anything wrong with this, it's being done elsewhere. But wouldn't it be hard to avoid scheduling issues as far as comps, and practices go. With girls from multiple gyms how would you prevent it from happening. Would these gyms be part of the Allstar Alliance (sorry if the name is wrong) mentioned on this board? I'm curious if the smaller gyms would eventually loose out in the end as far as loosing kids to the bigger program. Cost is also an issue how many parents can really afford double costs. I can see the kids eventually having to choose, and the bigger program, would probally win out over the smaller gyms. Smart business move on Powers part as far as a new way of recuiting new kids into thier program.

Date: Sat Mar 22 9:07 AM, 2008

I think this may be a new concept to some people, but it happens all over the country to top programs. This is not a new concept. Cheergyms did it year and it was pretty heavily advertised. Power did it as well, but it developed as the year progressed. They have one girl from another program that added mid-season. There were no conflicts that could not be worked out and has been awesome. I would assume that it has beneficial for the Cheergyms athletes that are from other programs as well.

All of these level 5 athletes are now going to Worlds ( some for free). This is a dream that there other gyms could not provide. Good for those girls and thanks to gyms like Power and Cheergyms for offering the oppurtunites.

Date: Sat Mar 22 9:14 AM, 2008

If cheergyms has also opened the option up to any gym, like Power has, why specific partnerships with Athletic Perfection and CSE (although it's not clear if CSE will be partnering this season)? I thought that was the whole reason last season for including these two gyms, to give them the opportunity to cheer on their level 5. I am probably missing something, feel free to correct me.

I agree about potential problems with scheduling and practices.....will these small gyms be involved in deciding which competitions are chosen so as not to have any conflicts?

Date: Sat Mar 22 9:23 AM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Just some random thoughts after reading thru these posts. I quess I don't see anything wrong with this, it's being done elsewhere. But wouldn't it be hard to avoid scheduling issues as far as comps, and practices go. With girls from multiple gyms how would you prevent it from happening. Would these gyms be part of the Allstar Alliance (sorry if the name is wrong) mentioned on this board? I'm curious if the smaller gyms would eventually loose out in the end as far as loosing kids to the bigger program. Cost is also an issue how many parents can really afford double costs. I can see the kids eventually having to choose, and the bigger program, would probally win out over the smaller gyms. Smart business move on Powers part as far as a new way of recuiting new kids into thier program.

That's the problem I was talking about! John does NOT want to partner with any one gym or two for that matter....he just wants the kids! If that was his goal in the end as far as the "Alliance", he might see gyms pull out. Cheergyms WELCOMED those gyms into the family and are proud of them! On POWER's web page, it clearly ready,"have your coach call me". hmm

Call you what?

Date: Sat Mar 22 9:28 AM, 2008

I think it is funny that CX lets their kids go to NCE and Power since they only have a level 3 team. It's nice for those talented kids. Whocares if power is being vocal about it, cheergyms has done it with All american last year with AP and CSE, now they are allowing anyone to try out for their AA team.

Date: Sat Mar 22 9:34 AM, 2008

I didn't see the announcement that AA is allowing anyone to try out, I thought it was limited to Athletic Perfection. If there was an announcement sorry I missed it.

Why is it funny CX is allowing their girls with fulls to be on level 5 teams? I think it shows their coaches care about them and their progression.

Date: Sat Mar 22 9:35 AM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Just some random thoughts after reading thru these posts. I quess I don't see anything wrong with this, it's being done elsewhere. But wouldn't it be hard to avoid scheduling issues as far as comps, and practices go. With girls from multiple gyms how would you prevent it from happening. Would these gyms be part of the Allstar Alliance (sorry if the name is wrong) mentioned on this board? I'm curious if the smaller gyms would eventually loose out in the end as far as loosing kids to the bigger program. Cost is also an issue how many parents can really afford double costs. I can see the kids eventually having to choose, and the bigger program, would probally win out over the smaller gyms. Smart business move on Powers part as far as a new way of recuiting new kids into thier program.

That's the problem I was talking about! John does NOT want to partner with any one gym or two for that matter....he just wants the kids! If that was his goal in the end as far as the "Alliance", he might see gyms pull out. Cheergyms WELCOMED those gyms into the family and are proud of them! On POWER's web page, it clearly ready,"have your coach call me". Call you what?

My guess is that the "have your coach call me" is out of respect for the other gym so that it is known by the other gym that the child is going to participate in both programs. People know what their options are, I do not see a problem with this at all. If it is a recruiting tactic so what, this is a business right?

I am not a power parent although when my daughter gets her full guess where she will be? I love my gym although they do not have a level 5 team, if money is no object this option is like having your cake and eating it too smile

Date: Sat Mar 22 9:46 AM, 2008

That's the problem I was talking about! John does NOT want to partner with any one gym or two for that matter....he just wants the kids! If that was his goal in the end as far as the "Alliance", he might see gyms pull out. Cheergyms WELCOMED those gyms into the family and are proud of them! On POWER's web page, it clearly ready,"have your coach call me". Call you what?

I am not sure why this has created such DRAMA ( actually everything on this board is drama). I guess everyone is up in arms about things that happen everyday. This is not against the rules and happens all of the time.

You wonder why he put it up now: Because tryouts are coming up. No big mystery. You can bet that any girl that cheers for Power and another program is part of the Power family. This has been going on in the business for years. Until it is against the rules, it will continue to happen.

To me it is a win-win for all involved. The level 5 athlete gets the best of both Worlds.

Date: Sat Mar 22 9:46 AM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

I didn't see the announcement that AA is allowing anyone to try out, I thought it was limited to Athletic Perfection. If there was an announcement sorry I missed it.

Why is it funny CX is allowing their girls with fulls to be on level 5 teams? I think it shows their coaches care about them and their progression.

Okay, I just finished reading the QA for All American team tryouts and I stand corrected, anybody can try out and this season (unlike last) they don't have to be on an additional cheergyms team (like Motions, Pyramids, or AP). So they are moving in the same direction, giving more people better options. What all these gyms are doing is a win-win situation for everyone who wants to advance as far as they can in our sport, I'm very excited about it.

Date: Sat Mar 22 9:46 AM, 2008

accordining to cgc website:

All-American Level 5:
Pyramids Cheer Gym (Concord) Tuesday, April 1 7:00 8:30 pm
Athletic Perfection (Tracy) Wed., April 2nd 7 8:00 pm
Motions Cheer Gym (San Jose) Thursday, April 3 7:00 8:00 pm

Level 5 All American Teams:
We want all Bay Area, Level 5 cheerleaders and their parents to come to one of these meetings to find out about the cheergyms.com All-American program. We feel it is the best and most organized Level 5 program in the area and we are ready to move to the next step. We will answer all questions and hopefully convince you to join us for another Worlds ready year!

Tryout Date and Time for:
* All-American Junior (ages 14 and younger) Level 5 Teams
* All-American Senior and Senior Coed (ages 11-18) Level 5 Teams

Pyramids Cheer Gym (Concord) Saturday, April 5 10:00 am 1:00 pm

We are vey proud of our Level 5 program and the success it has experienced in the last couple of years; 3 showings at Worlds, fantastic coaching and choreography and the respect of many other Level 5 programs across the country. We want to form the best teams in the area and have them compete with the best across the USA. Our first goal is to have a Small Junior Level 5 team (20 members), A Small Senior All-Girl Level 5 team (20 members) and a Senior Coed Limited (4 boys) Level 5 team (36 members). Our second goal is to form teams with no crossovers, so teams can bond and work all year to reach goals, improve skills and go to the 2009 USASF Worlds.

Date: Sat Mar 22 10:01 AM, 2008

I don't have a problem with this. Cheergyms did it this year, so did Power and NCE they just didn't advertise it. I guess this is the way of the future if some of these gyms want to stay competitive in level 5. My point is that with the ecomony not being that good right now, and I think most are effected by it. I wonder how many families can afford to send thier kids to to two different programs choiceswill have to be made. I think it's a smart business move on all these larger gyms part. I just see the smaller gyms coming out on the shorter end of the stick I guess. If I'm not mistaken enrollment at a lot of the gyms was down this year. I just see it as a good recuiting tool. I'm just curious to see how many kids actually do this. Right now one girl from CX is on Powers Lg Sr 5, one from CX is on NCE, AP has two, or 3 on All American. We will just have to wait to see if this catches on I guess.

Date: Sat Mar 22 10:26 AM, 2008

Yeah, I see what you are saying and I agree. With today's economy it might be more likely a family with level 5 athletes will only be able to afford one gym, and they will most likely choose the one with level 5 teams. This next season will be a good indication of how this works.