Can anyone clarify if USA messed up on their handouts of bids?

Date: Fri Mar 14 3:41 PM, 2008

RE: Can anyone clarify if USA messed up on their handouts of bids?

Date: Fri Mar 14 4:01 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

So you think that teams who already have bids should win them anyway and keep them in a pile somewhere?

too funny...exactly. I guess the competition companies don't have a right to be represented at World's either. World's is fun and prestigious for ALL who attend. Handed down or not. You don't know the road they took to get there - maybe getting there was good enough this year and those teams and coaches will just take it all in.

Think about it - what if you had a bad day or the judging was a little off at your event and you came out in 4th place. However, you knew it would have been yours on another day (maybe it was but that event wasn't giving out bids). Do you not accept a passed down bid? It will all get figured out at the big show anyhow.

Get over it and let the kids enjoy their World's experience. In the end - the best team at worlds wins. And NO I do not think you should just be able to sign up but if you rank up there to get a bid or are just lucky enough then let it be...let it be...

Date: Fri Mar 14 4:42 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

what is nor cal going to do take all girl or coed? coed is practically all crossovers from all girl?

no actually all girl is practically all crossovers from coed i think.

All this "handed down" stuff is crazy....If I recieved a bid, I would like to win it, at a competition because I got the top score..not because it was HANDED down to me... World's just isn't as special as it should be.

I believe we will be taking the team(s) with the most kids. After all, that is what it's all about. The kids.

We wish everyone the best for the remainder of their season. And best of luck to everyone traveling to worlds.

Date: Fri Mar 14 5:03 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

So you think that teams who already have bids should win them anyway and keep them in a pile somewhere?

too funny...exactly. I guess the competition companies don't have a right to be represented at World's either. World's is fun and prestigious for ALL who attend. Handed down or not. You don't know the road they took to get there - maybe getting there was good enough this year and those teams and coaches will just take it all in.

Think about it - what if you had a bad day or the judging was a little off at your event and you came out in 4th place. However, you knew it would have been yours on another day (maybe it was but that event wasn't giving out bids). Do you not accept a passed down bid? It will all get figured out at the big show anyhow.

Get over it and let the kids enjoy their World's experience. In the end - the best team at worlds wins. And NO I do not think you should just be able to sign up but if you rank up there to get a bid or are just lucky enough then let it be...let it be...

If you are going to win, you should win big

Date: Fri Mar 14 5:18 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

So you think that teams who already have bids should win them anyway and keep them in a pile somewhere?

too funny...exactly. I guess the competition companies don't have a right to be represented at World's either. World's is fun and prestigious for ALL who attend. Handed down or not. You don't know the road they took to get there - maybe getting there was good enough this year and those teams and coaches will just take it all in.

Think about it - what if you had a bad day or the judging was a little off at your event and you came out in 4th place. However, you knew it would have been yours on another day (maybe it was but that event wasn't giving out bids). Do you not accept a passed down bid? It will all get figured out at the big show anyhow.

Get over it and let the kids enjoy their World's experience. In the end - the best team at worlds wins. And NO I do not think you should just be able to sign up but if you rank up there to get a bid or are just lucky enough then let it be...let it be...

If you are going to win, you should win big

Winning means different things to different people. For some kids just taking the floor at Worlds is winning enough. I know it was for my daughter. For others it's scoring the highest. 10 points or .10 points a win is a win.

Good luck to all the West Coast teams attending Worlds - you are all winners in our hearts!

Date: Fri Mar 14 8:22 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

All this "handed down" stuff is crazy....If I recieved a bid, I would like to win it, at a competition because I got the top score..not because it was HANDED down to me... World's just isn't as special as it should be

Well if you are reffering to nor cal they actually won their bids. the all girl team placed at usa and then the coed was supposed to win a bid at Gssa but usa messed up the placements. so their bids WERE earned not Handed down

Date: Fri Mar 14 8:33 PM, 2008

So did Stars Extreme decline the GSSA one?

Date: Fri Mar 14 8:45 PM, 2008

a lot of bids are "handed down", meaning teams already have one, so it keeps going down the line..... i don't see anything wrong with that. the bids at large have to go somewhere, especially if teams end up getting the same kind of bid as before.

monitor7 · Member

Thread has been edited to make it about the USA/GSSA bids, NOT about who does/doesn't own which gym or who will cross over to which team or whose shirts are ugly.

Date: Sat Mar 15 1:15 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

a lot of bids are "handed down", meaning teams already have one, so it keeps going down the line..... i don't see anything wrong with that. the bids at large have to go somewhere, especially if teams end up getting the same kind of bid as before.

i see a big problem with that. they shouldnt need to go down the line and keep going until they are all givin out. paid bids are one thing but not at large's. worlds is already big enough. if a team can only get a handed down at large then that means they probably aren't ready to compete against the top teams in the world.

Date: Sat Mar 15 1:20 PM, 2008

i agree to a degree. I think if a bid gets passed down to a second place team that has 7 or 8 teams in a division that might be okay. But to work your way down the list to like 6th place is not okay.

Date: Sat Mar 15 2:20 PM, 2008

Maybe they could say top 3, after that no bids are given. Or get rid of the at large bids completely, which isn't going to happen because there is money to be made by having more gyms attend.

Date: Sat Mar 15 2:27 PM, 2008

monitor7 wrote:

Thread has been edited to make it about the USA/GSSA bids, NOT about who does/doesn't own which gym or who will cross over to which team or whose shirts are ugly.

thank you monitor 7 you are always on top of things.
you're appreciated

Date: Sun Mar 16 1:16 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

All this "handed down" stuff is crazy....If I recieved a bid, I would like to win it, at a competition because I got the top score..not because it was HANDED down to me... World's just isn't as special as it should be

Well if you are reffering to nor cal they actually won their bids. the all girl team placed at usa and then the coed was supposed to win a bid at Gssa but usa messed up the placements. so their bids WERE earned not Handed down

So are you saying that they won their divisions ahead of teams that already had bids? 'Handed down' means that all the teams ahead of a team already has a bid so they get it. I'm pretty sure that is how they got BOTH of their bids (6th out of 6 in GSSA's Super 6 and 4th at USA, I think) so therefore they would be HANDED DOWN. Not that it matters at this point but just to clarify the point they are not 'won' bids.

Date: Sun Mar 16 1:20 PM, 2008

I'm sure you could make a long list of those teams who have handed down bids, by your definition. But I see what you're saying, you are trying to clarify what handed down means.

Date: Sun Mar 16 1:29 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

I'm sure you could make a long list of those teams who have handed down bids, by your definition. But I see what you're saying, you are trying to clarify what handed down means.

Yes there are plenty of teams that get HANDED DOWN bids for sure. No harm no foul as thats the way it is set up right now like it or not. But to say you have won those bids is wrong, and misleading to potential people looking for a gym. It is also wrong to then go around bragging that your team 'won' 2 bids and is sending 2 teams and should now be recognized as a top cheer gym with all the other gyms that have multiple teams going. Also misleading. For everybody that knows how it went, saying and stressing that 'we won' point sounds silly and is a little insulting to teams that outright did win them to compare to.

Date: Sun Mar 16 6:05 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

All this "handed down" stuff is crazy....If I recieved a bid, I would like to win it, at a competition because I got the top score..not because it was HANDED down to me... World's just isn't as special as it should be

Well if you are reffering to nor cal they actually won their bids. the all girl team placed at usa and then the coed was supposed to win a bid at Gssa but usa messed up the placements. so their bids WERE earned not Handed down

So are you saying that they won their divisions ahead of teams that already had bids? 'Handed down' means that all the teams ahead of a team already has a bid so they get it. I'm pretty sure that is how they got BOTH of their bids (6th out of 6 in GSSA's Super 6 and 4th at USA, I think) so therefore they would be HANDED DOWN. Not that it matters at this point but just to clarify the point they are not 'won' bids.

"At Large" Is just that... in usa All girl 3rd out of nine teams... earned their bid
Gssa super 6 , no score sheets; coed earned that as well, as all the other "at large " teams have. Release your issues and let the kids enjoy what was earned.

Date: Sun Mar 16 10:25 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

All this "handed down" stuff is crazy....If I recieved a bid, I would like to win it, at a competition because I got the top score..not because it was HANDED down to me... World's just isn't as special as it should be

Well if you are reffering to nor cal they actually won their bids. the all girl team placed at usa and then the coed was supposed to win a bid at Gssa but usa messed up the placements. so their bids WERE earned not Handed down

So are you saying that they won their divisions ahead of teams that already had bids? 'Handed down' means that all the teams ahead of a team already has a bid so they get it. I'm pretty sure that is how they got BOTH of their bids (6th out of 6 in GSSA's Super 6 and 4th at USA, I think) so therefore they would be HANDED DOWN. Not that it matters at this point but just to clarify the point they are not 'won' bids.

"At Large" Is just that... in usa All girl 3rd out of nine teams... earned their bid
Gssa super 6 , no score sheets; coed earned that as well, as all the other "at large " teams have. Release your issues and let the kids enjoy what was earned.

You're right the kids ahould enjoy what the have. No isues there. The issues are with how you state you won them. Yes if you want to say you earned them by placing 3rd (how many other scores were higher in other divisions as well)and 6th respectively behind other teams and thats the only way you got the bids there is no misleading. I would say the coed earned their spot in super 6 but Power EARNED the at large bid but since had the paid it got HANDED DOWN and then it went from there all the way down to Stars. Since the USA mix up it was again handed down. I mean why was there even a super 6?

At large is not anything besides a name for a bid that has no $ attached to it so I'm not sure what the 'is just that' is. there are plenty of teams that EARNED at large bids and have kept them. I'm really happy you have the bids, it just needs to be stated the right way IMO, and it should no way be implied that having 2 at large handed down bids is comparable. And thi sis why so many people are having a problem with the multiple handing down. I can see it getting handed down between the top 3 but after that its just not earned, its given. JMO

Date: Sun Mar 16 10:44 PM, 2008

We all know about opinions.....everyone has them. Bottom line is both teams have an opportunity to go to worlds. Until the process is changed it is what it is. The website only states the teams recieved bids and they did.

Goodluck to all the teams that recieved bids regardless of what type.. those with "At large" work hard to get past prelims. have a great time eveyone! Wish I could go

Date: Mon Mar 17 11:16 AM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

what is nor cal going to do take all girl or coed? coed is practically all crossovers from all girl?

no actually all girl is practically all crossovers from coed i think.

All this "handed down" stuff is crazy....If I recieved a bid, I would like to win it, at a competition because I got the top score..not because it was HANDED down to me... World's just isn't as special as it should be.

Since your comment said "If I RECEIVED a bid", well I'm guessing you haven't.

Maybe you don't understand the excitement of just getting there for most. It IS special to those that have and will be there.

If you are a coach, perhaps you should take a long look at your career choice. You might be in the wrong line of work.

Before you can judge you need to walk in the shoes of others. Once you make it to worlds, than you should talk. Until thenwell enough said.

Congratulations to all the kids going to Worlds. Take the floor, leave nothing behind and know that you made it now matter how you got there!!!