Can anyone clarify if USA messed up on their handouts of bids?

flipkidjudge · Senior Member

RE: Can anyone clarify if USA messed up on their handouts of bids?

CharlotteASMom · Member

I'm getting lost in this thread. Do you mean the bids originally offered to Charlotte and American? What are you asking?

Ooops....my quote didn't work....I was referring to this...

Have any of you heard official word from either of the teams who received bid "duplicates" that they didn't want the USA bid? nope

-- Edited by CharlotteASMom at 08:24, 2008-03-07

flipkidjudge · Senior Member

CharlotteASMom wrote:

I'm getting lost in this thread. Do you mean the bids originally offered to Charlotte and American? What are you asking?

Ooops....my quote didn't work....I was referring to this...

Have any of you heard official word from either of the teams who received bid "duplicates" that they didn't want the USA bid? nope

-- Edited by CharlotteASMom at 08:24, 2008-03-07

Charlotte AS Mom,

I think this was the original question in this thread:

Can anyone clarify if USA messed up on their handouts of bids?

At the awards ceremony, Charlotte and American both received at large bids (both placed 2nd in their divisions). Did USA fail to realize that they already had bids from previous comps?

According to a post on this message board (under Victory topic), South Elite (who placed 3rd) and Victory (who placed 5th), just received at large bids- because they were passed down from Charlotte and American.

This is where I am confused. Fusion placed 4th, above Victory...... why didn't they get the bid? Did they decline it, and then it went to Victory? Anyone from Fusion who can clarify this?

Another question- Why did Stars Extreme not get the bid? They placed 3rd in their division (coed) and should have been next in line, unless their scores were lower than Fusion and Victory (small senior).

Perhaps USA figured that Stars Extreme already got one this past week from GSSA SUper 6, so let's just give it to Victory? That would be so wrong..... but if true, then NCE Coed should have got the at large bid at GSSA.

Anyone from Fusion, Victory or Stars Extreme- do you know what happened?
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I think they are asking several questions...

1.) Did USA fail to realize that they (Charlotte and American) already had bids from previous comps?
After it was passed down...

2.) why didn't they (Fusion) get the bid? Did they decline it, and then it went to Victory?

3.) Why did Stars Extreme not get the bid? (Since it was passed down from Charlotte and American)

Then of course there is the whole bid handing down question. I am not touching that one at all!

-- Edited by flipkidjudge at 09:13, 2008-03-07

Date: Fri Mar 7 9:12 AM, 2008

I can tell you that USA was told by American the week before the competition that they had a bid. And they are still using the one they got at Spirit Sport. So the error is USA's and not a game by either of the fine clubs.

CharlotteASMom · Member

Thanks flipkijudge.....I just didn't get the later post question

"Have any of you heard official word from either of the teams who received bid "duplicates" that they didn't want the USA bid? nope"

part. Seems like a no-brainer that if a team comes in with a partial that they don't want an At-Large.

flipkidjudge · Senior Member

Anonymous wrote:

I can tell you that USA was told by American the week before the competition that they had a bid. And they are still using the one they got at Spirit Sport. So the error is USA's and not a game by either of the fine clubs.

Again a good point. The clubs take the "negative" hit...not the process which is what need to be fixed.

Date: Fri Mar 7 9:19 AM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Victory did indeed score higher than fusion and stars extreme, which is why they recieved the bid.

Victory did not outscore Fusion overall. At Semi finals (Day one) Victory scored .75 higher than fusion. At Finals (Day two) Fusion scored 1.10 higher than Victory. I will not post the actual scores but that is the difference between the two teams.

flipkidjudge · Senior Member

CharlotteASMom wrote:

Thanks flipkijudge.....I just didn't get the later post question

"Have any of you heard official word from either of the teams who received bid "duplicates" that they didn't want the USA bid? nope"

part. Seems like a no-brainer that if a team comes in with a partial that they don't want an At-Large.

lol...the "only" way Ican see that...and I am stretching really far here...is if a team won a partial with "not their best team" on the floor due to injury/illness and at the at large they were truly at full strength. Genrally I think the substitution rules address that, but I would be ticked royally if I helped to win a bid for my gym and then got substituted for because I wasn't good enough for Disney...jmho. I would be finding a new program the next day.

-- Edited by flipkidjudge at 09:24, 2008-03-07

CharlotteASMom · Member

Yes....I know what you mean. At first I thought that maybe Teal needed to rebid for some reason and asked a coach. She just said they had no idea why they were awarded the At-Large. They fully intend to use the partial if they dind't get a Paid. Oh well.....still not sure I understand the later question but no harm. Thanks for the response!

Tamara · cheergyms.com Master Poster

CharlotteASMom wrote:
Thanks flipkijudge.....I just didn't get the later post question

"Have any of you heard official word from either of the teams who received bid "duplicates" that they didn't want the USA bid? nope"

part. Seems like a no-brainer that if a team comes in with a partial that they don't want an At-Large.

I'm guessing that the poster thought that a team with an at-large bid from a lesser known comp could compete at a larger nationally known comp earn an at-large bid and accept the new at-large more prestigiously known bid and make the first bid disapper. However, this is not the case. Once a team earns a bid, they can only upgrade.

Oh! I'm not saying that Charlotte nor California earned their bids at lesser known comps, just giving some thought on why a team may want to accept a bid when they already have a bid of the same type.

Oh again! I just re-read CharlotteASMom's post. I have no idea why there would be any reason a team with a partial would accept an at-large. Although, I don't recall the reading that either Charlotte or California had a partial going into USA. I had assumed that both already had at-large bids, maybe that poster had done the same?

flipkidjudge · Senior Member

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Victory did indeed score higher than fusion and stars extreme, which is why they recieved the bid.

Victory did not outscore Fusion overall. At Semi finals (Day one) Victory scored .75 higher than fusion. At Finals (Day two) Fusion scored 1.10 higher than Victory. I will not post the actual scores but that is the difference between the two teams.

Please don't post the scores, but I admit here is another pet peeve. Why won't comp companies stand up for what they scored folks with? Do they not believe that coaches will compare score sheets and see the differences? That some parents write down the scores of every team, regardless if they are in their division or not.

Next ruling coming down...sarcasm alert..warning...sarcasm alert.....

Any gym comparing their scores with other programs will be disqualified, all trphies and awards returned. biggrin

***edited to add...as a coach I fully understand the need to find the good in the bad in a score sheet and find a way to seek and speak positive to your teams about their perfomance if they lose. However there is a difference in what you say in your gym and what is posted all over the world. My high raw score of the day still don't count as far as the comp goes if I did not win. They are called deductions for a reason...lol. If they don't score your teams like you think they should, find another competition.

It irritates me to hear things like yall got the trophy but we won...and it is not just kids doing it either. cry

-- Edited by flipkidjudge at 09:41, 2008-03-07

Date: Fri Mar 7 3:25 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

I can tell you that USA was told by American the week before the competition that they had a bid. And they are still using the one they got at Spirit Sport. So the error is USA's and not a game by either of the fine clubs.

I think most of us realize the error was USA's and that it is and was their responsibility to know who had what bids before the competition started. GSSA had full knowledge and did the appropriate handing down of bids, USA should have as well.

Date: Mon Mar 10 7:52 AM, 2008

So it has been l 2 weeks now. Has anything come of this? Or is USA hoping it will all go away? Maybe it has.

Date: Mon Mar 10 9:27 AM, 2008

Did anyone notice that USA put who rcvd bids at USA Allstar Nationals on their home page? Was that their last week??????

Date: Mon Mar 10 10:25 AM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Did anyone notice that USA put who rcvd bids at USA Allstar Nationals on their home page? Was that their last week??????

I don't think so. If you look under the results page they are not the same teams listed as receiving the bids. Charlotte Limited Coed and American Cheer still show up as receiving at large bids. But Victory and South Elite show on their home page as receiving the at large bids.

Date: Mon Mar 10 10:54 AM, 2008

does anyone know why fusion was passed up (they placed 4th and victory placed 5th) for the bid at large? did usa mess up and switched the two teams at the awards ceremony?

and why wasn't stars extreme coed given a bid at large (they placed 3rd)?
did they really score lower points than fusion or victory OR was it because they already received a bid from GSSA?

Date: Mon Mar 10 12:19 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

does anyone know why fusion was passed up (they placed 4th and victory placed 5th) for the bid at large? did usa mess up and switched the two teams at the awards ceremony?

and why wasn't stars extreme coed given a bid at large (they placed 3rd)?
did they really score lower points than fusion or victory OR was it because they already received a bid from GSSA?

Does anyone from Fusion know what happened?

Date: Mon Mar 10 2:29 PM, 2008

And if Stars Extreme didnt because of their bid this weekend (congrats!), what about NCE? Did Fusion and Victory score higher than them?

Date: Mon Mar 10 3:44 PM, 2008

These questions should be asked of USA. Hopefully all the teams that had/have concerns went/will go directly to USA. They are the ones that are accountable for the mishap, if there was in fact one to them. Lets hope USA does the right thing.

Good luck to all the teams with bids heading to worlds!

Date: Tue Mar 11 5:54 AM, 2008

Agree. Has anyone contacted USA to see if any action will or should be taken?