New USASF Rules

Date: Thu Mar 6 11:04 PM, 2008

RE: New USASF Rules

Date: Thu Mar 6 11:22 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I just think it best for everyone. There are a lot of good athletes that are bigger girls that you can tell are uncomfortable with crop tops. A uniform does not make you a good athlete or a better team...

I AGREE. **BUT** If there are a few girls on a team that don't have the body acceptable for a crop top, the gym owner (s) should order them a top that is full length. No one will frown upon this, and the girls would be more comfortable too.
Its simple.
Now, IMO... the new crop top rule is ridiculous. I think they need to focus on another aspect of All Star cheerleading that needs improvement rather than uniforms. I do however agree with the skirt covering up the briefs.
They need to put all of this energy into something else...

I dont agree with this at all. If someone dosent fell comfortable with their size why would they want to wear a full top while everyone else has a crop top and stand out even more?

Date: Thu Mar 6 11:28 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I just think it best for everyone. There are a lot of good athletes that are bigger girls that you can tell are uncomfortable with crop tops. A uniform does not make you a good athlete or a better team...

I AGREE. **BUT** If there are a few girls on a team that don't have the body acceptable for a crop top, the gym owner (s) should order them a top that is full length. No one will frown upon this, and the girls would be more comfortable too.
Its simple.
Now, IMO... the new crop top rule is ridiculous. I think they need to focus on another aspect of All Star cheerleading that needs improvement rather than uniforms. I do however agree with the skirt covering up the briefs.
They need to put all of this energy into something else...
I dont agree with this at all. If someone dosent fell comfortable with their size why would they want to wear a full top while everyone else has a crop top and stand out even more?

The issue with the individual in question is not full or half tops, but their body image. Girls in general have tons of body image issues and crop tops have nothing to do with that. I have seen NUMEROUS teams with a one girl who has a larger top than everyone else. Probably because she is a bigger girl, so she needs a bigger top. I still fee gyms should make their OWN individual choice. Why do we always have to regulate everything. It gives no room for individuality. Companies can give individual penalities for vulgar dance movements and distasteful uniforms, but leave the overall choices alone. USASF needs to do its job and work on rules for levels and age breakdowns.

Date: Fri Mar 7 12:21 AM, 2008

So when should the new rules be available?

Date: Fri Mar 7 12:57 AM, 2008

The USASF website says the new rules will be out on April 4th.

flipkidjudge · Senior Member

I am afraid that this (the rule) is just another way for Varsity to control the marketplace. If that rule is changed, then you could not compete at a USASF in anything but the approved type of uniform. That then restricts who you can buy your uniforms from.

Leaving it alone lest I tick somebody off this morning.

Date: Fri Mar 7 7:25 AM, 2008

Varsity is the Debil.....hahaha. Anyone else a fan of Adam Sandler? Waterboy?

flipkidjudge · Senior Member

Anonymous wrote:

Varsity is the Debil.....hahaha. Anyone else a fan of Adam Sandler? Waterboy?

Of course! how can you not be a fan of the kid who had zero self confidence that everybody teased and picked on who met a "washed up" coach at a school no one really cared about who found something to motivate him to excel beyond his wildest expectations both on and off the field. wink

I honestly do not think Varisity is the debil...lol. But I do think they are strategically positioning themselves to control the entire cheerleading industry...from competitions to rules to judges to coaches to athletes to clothing and ensure that evey gym has to come to/through them one way or the other. That is a good business strategy for them, even if i don't like it.

When they bought ACP they dealt a major blow to one of their competitiors who have concentrated more on the smaller gyms and the forgotten levels...levels 1 through 4. Then all of a sudden they "embrace" ACP's vision of small gym championship and now want to have a World's competition for all levels? Business move people...business move...buy your competition and eliminate them, under the guise of partnerships. You stick with your brand company and then get pulled in.

I will not be suprised to see if they try to buy two or three more of the companies associated with Final Destination/NLCC if for no other reason to elimnate that option for gyms who do not buy into Varsity vision for cheerleading or who are not and refuse to become USASF members.

***edited to correct spelling!!!

-- Edited by flipkidjudge at 07:50, 2008-03-07

-- Edited by flipkidjudge at 07:52, 2008-03-07

Date: Fri Mar 7 9:06 AM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I just think it best for everyone. There are a lot of good athletes that are bigger girls that you can tell are uncomfortable with crop tops. A uniform does not make you a good athlete or a better team...

I AGREE. **BUT** If there are a few girls on a team that don't have the body acceptable for a crop top, the gym owner (s) should order them a top that is full length. No one will frown upon this, and the girls would be more comfortable too.
Its simple.
Now, IMO... the new crop top rule is ridiculous. I think they need to focus on another aspect of All Star cheerleading that needs improvement rather than uniforms. I do however agree with the skirt covering up the briefs.
They need to put all of this energy into something else...
I dont agree with this at all. If someone dosent fell comfortable with their size why would they want to wear a full top while everyone else has a crop top and stand out even more?

The issue with the individual in question is not full or half tops, but their body image. Girls in general have tons of body image issues and crop tops have nothing to do with that. I have seen NUMEROUS teams with a one girl who has a larger top than everyone else. Probably because she is a bigger girl, so she needs a bigger top. I still fee gyms should make their OWN individual choice. Why do we always have to regulate everything. It gives no room for individuality. Companies can give individual penalities for vulgar dance movements and distasteful uniforms, but leave the overall choices alone. USASF needs to do its job and work on rules for levels and age breakdowns.

Honestly, I dont think that the "bigger" girl wearing a crop top
or wearing a long top while the rest of the team has crops,
is as big of a deal as all of you saying that they shouldnt.

A confident girl is a confident girl. I've been on team where someone chose a long top when everybody else had crops and they didnt care. They worked it.

The confidence issues go far beyond the uniform guys. And by saying that they shouldnt have them on you are actually making it worse.

Date: Fri Mar 7 9:18 AM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

This new rule proposal also states that your briefs may not hang out from under your skirt. So skirts have to be long.

Someone tell these sports they should cover up too- if cheer is going all 19th century, everyone should!

http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200408/r27999_69657.jpg

http://media.collegepublisher.com/media/paper890/stills/y2okcb80.jpg

http://picasaweb.google.com/caroline151/Issue7/photo#5141415310936614002

http://www.artisticexpress.com/Albums/Costumes/DanceCostume.jpg

http://www.photosport.com/gymnastics/utah0468.jpg.htm

http://en.beijing2008.cn/news/sports/headlines/beachvolleyball/n214132624.shtml

AMEN!

Date: Fri Mar 7 9:28 AM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I just think it best for everyone. There are a lot of good athletes that are bigger girls that you can tell are uncomfortable with crop tops. A uniform does not make you a good athlete or a better team...

I AGREE. **BUT** If there are a few girls on a team that don't have the body acceptable for a crop top, the gym owner (s) should order them a top that is full length. No one will frown upon this, and the girls would be more comfortable too.
Its simple.
Now, IMO... the new crop top rule is ridiculous. I think they need to focus on another aspect of All Star cheerleading that needs improvement rather than uniforms. I do however agree with the skirt covering up the briefs.
They need to put all of this energy into something else...
I dont agree with this at all. If someone dosent fell comfortable with their size why would they want to wear a full top while everyone else has a crop top and stand out even more?

Actually, I don't think that they would stand out anymore. I think it would be looked at as a "respect" type of thing honestly. The coaches should be abel to design somthing that blends in well with the other tops. I'm just saying to give the kids a choice. I see your point though. This is exactly the reason things like this get brought up by the usasf b/c people have different opinions about things (which is all fine), but ultimatly IMO I feel as though the gym owners should have full rights of what their teams are wearing as far as uniforms aww

Date: Fri Mar 7 11:13 AM, 2008

Coming from an all-star cheerleader i feel like this "rule" is ridiculous. It reminds of the movie Stick It where the athletes feel like it's so unfair that their performances are getting scored lower because of wardrobe rules. Its about the sport of cheerleading, not about how we look when we are performing. What's going to happen IF this rule comes into play? Are they going to dock points if they can see your briefs?? Or if they think a girl isn't fit or old enough to be wearing a crop top? That's not right, we practice way to much to have our performance judged on what we are wearing instead of our skill level. Many of you know how much time, effort, tears, and energy we put into being our best, its not easy. Don't make it harder by telling us what to wear. Do you know how hot it gets in those uniforms? It's pretty bad with all the stress and emotions before you get on stage, crop tops makes it more comfortable. AND how can you possibly expect the top of the skirt and the bottom of your top to touch the entire time your trying to perform? Even the boys can't do that during their stunts or tumbling. Should they wear a leotard underneath? Pretty impossible if you ask me. At practice we usually wear less, sports bras and shorts no matter what size you are. It's a work out! furious

Date: Fri Mar 7 11:22 AM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I just think it best for everyone. There are a lot of good athletes that are bigger girls that you can tell are uncomfortable with crop tops. A uniform does not make you a good athlete or a better team...

I AGREE. **BUT** If there are a few girls on a team that don't have the body acceptable for a crop top, the gym owner (s) should order them a top that is full length. No one will frown upon this, and the girls would be more comfortable too.
Its simple.
Now, IMO... the new crop top rule is ridiculous. I think they need to focus on another aspect of All Star cheerleading that needs improvement rather than uniforms. I do however agree with the skirt covering up the briefs.
They need to put all of this energy into something else...
I dont agree with this at all. If someone dosent fell comfortable with their size why would they want to wear a full top while everyone else has a crop top and stand out even more?

Actually, I don't think that they would stand out anymore. I think it would be looked at as a "respect" type of thing honestly. The coaches should be abel to design somthing that blends in well with the other tops. I'm just saying to give the kids a choice. I see your point though. This is exactly the reason things like this get brought up by the usasf b/c people have different opinions about things (which is all fine), but ultimatly IMO I feel as though the gym owners should have full rights of what their teams are wearing as far as uniforms

Maybe a parent will see it as a "respect" thing...but I can tell you that as an athlete who is a bit bigger than most I would not want to wear a longer top while the rest of my team is wearing crops. No way! I don't want to attract MORE attention to my self. I'll wear the crop when I perform and I'll put on a t-shirt when I get off the floor. Do I love wearing a crop? No. But will I wear it? Absolutely yes, I love my team and won't switch to a different one just to wear a more flattering uniform.

But you're right...it should be the gym owners decision, NOT varsity's.

Date: Fri Mar 7 12:06 PM, 2008

flipkidjudge wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Varsity is the Debil.....hahaha. Anyone else a fan of Adam Sandler? Waterboy?

Of course! how can you not be a fan of the kid who had zero self confidence that everybody teased and picked on who met a "washed up" coach at a school no one really cared about who found something to motivate him to excel beyond his wildest expectations both on and off the field.

I honestly do not think Varisity is the debil...lol. But I do think they are strategically positioning themselves to control the entire cheerleading industry...from competitions to rules to judges to coaches to athletes to clothing and ensure that evey gym has to come to/through them one way or the other. That is a good business strategy for them, even if i don't like it.

When they bought ACP they dealt a major blow to one of their competitiors who have concentrated more on the smaller gyms and the forgotten levels...levels 1 through 4. Then all of a sudden they "embrace" ACP's vision of small gym championship and now want to have a World's competition for all levels? Business move people...business move...buy your competition and eliminate them, under the guise of partnerships. You stick with your brand company and then get pulled in.

I will not be suprised to see if they try to buy two or three more of the companies associated with Final Destination/NLCC if for no other reason to elimnate that option for gyms who do not buy into Varsity vision for cheerleading or who are not and refuse to become USASF members.

***edited to correct spelling!!!

-- Edited by flipkidjudge at 07:50, 2008-03-07

-- Edited by flipkidjudge at 07:52, 2008-03-07

Forgive me, I have not had time to do my research. The USASF has nothing to do with Varsity...right? Question: Are some of the "head" Varsity VP's also on the board or have VP positions with in the USASF ? confused

flipkidjudge · Senior Member

There is actually a pretty detailed thread on this on this site that dates back from 2006.
Everything I have seen (and i freely admit that i do not know it all nor do I ever profess to know it all) is that they are inextricably linked.

Since saying more might get me banned or deleted, all i can tell you is to research it thoroughly and not to just believe what is posted on the message boards. The links and history is out there.

Date: Fri Mar 7 1:38 PM, 2008

flipkidjudge wrote:

There is actually a pretty detailed thread on this on this site that dates back from 2006.
Everything I have seen (and i freely admit that i do not know it all nor do I ever profess to know it all) is that they are inextricably linked.

Since saying more might get me banned or deleted, all i can tell you is to research it thoroughly and not to just believe what is posted on the message boards. The links and history is out there.

Thank you ...I will take the time to research and find what it is that I am looking for. I will be back! biggrin

Date: Fri Mar 7 6:28 PM, 2008

If you're interested, they're now discussint this on prox:

http://www.whatisprox.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5690&PN=1

But I can see that this discussion is moving towards a should they/shouldn't they crop top issue, and that is really easily solved: if you dont like crop tops, take your kid to a gym where they have full tops. Or school cheer. Easy enough?

We can't lose sight of the most important issue here: Are we going to let the USASF make moral/ethical/proprietary judgement on how we should run our businesses?

Date: Sat Mar 8 12:05 PM, 2008

How long is the Stunt and Toss credentailing valid for? Like AACCA it is only good for 4 years. confused

ACEDAD · GURU

Anonymous wrote:

How long is the Stunt and Toss credentailing valid for? Like AACCA it is only good for 4 years.

USASF credentialing is good for 3 years.

Date: Sat Mar 8 2:22 PM, 2008

THANK YOU !!!!!! biggrin