New USASF Rules

Date: Thu Mar 6 9:29 AM, 2008

RE: New USASF Rules

Date: Thu Mar 6 9:36 AM, 2008

Are you serious? So if you WANTED your child to wear a sports bra and hot pants while she played AYSO Soccer then she should be allowed to? No because it is a sport that has a governing body that regulates what uniforms are allowed and which ones are not for teams. This is not a new concept!!!!

...but here is where your argument is not valid. AYSO website states:
The official site for this volunteer-driven youth soccer program for kids 4-1/2 to 19 years old

Allstar cheer is not a volunteer-driven program....it is a BUSINESS. An expensive business with expensive equipment and expensive utilities and expensive coaches and expensive camps and choreography and expensive competitions...and I'm sure you see the problem with your comparison to AYSO. Allstar cheer, like it or not, is a business. With business owners, who should be able to decide how to uniform the CUSTOMERS in their BUSINESS

Date: Thu Mar 6 9:42 AM, 2008

I love how the USASF always generalizes and says "event producers, judges and parents" have made these uniform suggestions which is so far away from the truth. Anyone who is college educated and have taken a statistics and marketing course knows that companies use generalizations to prove their point backed up by surveys that don't even hit half of the people it effects. If it was such an issue, then why do so many all star teams have them. We all know this is coming down from Varsity. To me, all star teams are privately owned and ran, and it should stay that way. I think the USASF is overstepping their boundaries in alot of areas. The original purpose of the USASF was to unite the rules for all competitions. Now its crossed in to uniforms, age, levels, choroegraphy, and company suggestions on how to run their events. I hope somehow we can break away from the USASF. It was actually much easier before the USASF in my opinion.

Date: Thu Mar 6 9:44 AM, 2008

My point was not that it was AYSO specifically, yes I used it as an example, but I it could apply to any private "club" sport. What sport allows you to wear whatever you WANT your child to wear with no restrictions?

Date: Thu Mar 6 9:45 AM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

I love how the USASF always generalizes and says "event producers, judges and parents" have made these uniform suggestions which is so far away from the truth. Anyone who is college educated and have taken a statistics and marketing course knows that companies use generalizations to prove their point backed up by surveys that don't even hit half of the people it effects. If it was such an issue, then why do so many all star teams have them. We all know this is coming down from Varsity. To me, all star teams are privately owned and ran, and it should stay that way. I think the USASF is overstepping their boundaries in alot of areas. The original purpose of the USASF was to unite the rules for all competitions. Now its crossed in to uniforms, age, levels, choroegraphy, and company suggestions on how to run their events. I hope somehow we can break away from the USASF. It was actually much easier before the USASF in my opinion.

...go jamfest...go jamfest...go jamfest....

Date: Thu Mar 6 9:46 AM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

My point was not that it was AYSO specifically, yes I used it as an example, but I it could apply to any private "club" sport. What sport allows you to wear whatever you WANT your child to wear with no restrictions?

You tell me! What private "club" sport enforces uniform rules?

Date: Thu Mar 6 9:48 AM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

My point was not that it was AYSO specifically, yes I used it as an example, but I it could apply to any private "club" sport. What sport allows you to wear whatever you WANT your child to wear with no restrictions?

You tell me! What private "club" sport enforces uniform rules?

I don't have time at work to go through and find specific examples, but all sports have a dress code. Football, Baseball, Basketball, Soccer, Gymnastics, Swimming, Volleyball, Track, etc.

Date: Thu Mar 6 9:50 AM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

My point was not that it was AYSO specifically, yes I used it as an example, but I it could apply to any private "club" sport. What sport allows you to wear whatever you WANT your child to wear with no restrictions?

Actually if your private , it means you have your own rules. If you want to do things publicly then work with school teams. Keep all star seperate. Its your own gym, kids and uniform choices. Yes individuals might not agree with something, but its NOT your choice, its the individual gym owners/coaches choice.

Date: Thu Mar 6 9:55 AM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

My point was not that it was AYSO specifically, yes I used it as an example, but I it could apply to any private "club" sport. What sport allows you to wear whatever you WANT your child to wear with no restrictions?

Actually if your private , it means you have your own rules. If you want to do things publicly then work with school teams. Keep all star seperate. Its your own gym, kids and uniform choices. Yes individuals might not agree with something, but its NOT your choice, its the individual gym owners/coaches choice.

That's true, however it is the USASF's choice what the athletes wear when they attend their competitions. And it is the competition company's choice whether they participate in the USASF.

So yes, you are right a privately owned football team can wear whatever they want, however in order to participate in games with other teams within an organization they will have to follow the uniform rules.

Tamara · cheergyms.com Master Poster

Well, that was a little more official, but it's still coming from anonymous AND there's no link...I could have typed it up (sorry if I seem cynical (sp? Danny, could we get a spell checker on here?)...I probably spend too much time on another site that has people making up the craziest things).

Anyway...while I don't like crop tops and I wish every gym would stay away from them (especially on juniors and younger), I don't agree with this proposed rule. If judges really had an issue with it...tell them to start actively giving deductions. When my daughter went to USA two years ago they stated that there would be deductions for inappropriate dancing, uniforms or music, but I don't know of one team that received any...and, yes, there were some teams that I could see receiving deductions.

Date: Thu Mar 6 9:59 AM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

My point was not that it was AYSO specifically, yes I used it as an example, but I it could apply to any private "club" sport. What sport allows you to wear whatever you WANT your child to wear with no restrictions?

You tell me! What private "club" sport enforces uniform rules?

I don't have time at work to go through and find specific examples, but all sports have a dress code. Football, Baseball, Basketball, Soccer, Gymnastics, Swimming, Volleyball, Track, etc.

I'm not saying I am in favor of the rules but listening to your thoughts made me think of a point:

AYSO is not the only soccer organization. I have a close friend who spends a lot of money for club soccer. They pay for the uniforms, the travel, coaches, the tournament fees,etc. We compare our costs all the time and found the price of soccer can be quite comparable to cheer, they just get a little more time off (LOL). He was unsure if they had specific rules about uniforms but if they do then you could compare it.

Date: Thu Mar 6 9:59 AM, 2008

I am glad Jam Brands is not with Varsity and hopefully those other companies who are independent will not sell out. We need another Worlds competition NOT ran by USASF or Varsity. I am sure many people would jump on board.

Date: Thu Mar 6 10:10 AM, 2008

Tamara, I got the email too- there is no link, it was a survey that was emailed out to all USASF certified gyms and coaches. It's not on a website.

Date: Thu Mar 6 12:29 PM, 2008

I think this new rule is completey ridiculous!! This is not the NFL or any professional sport in which the athletes are being paid. I am completely opposed to this and think that gyms should not be told what they can or cannot wear. I see teams in the south having themes for their routines and not even wearing regular cheer uniforms. I think what they are doing is awesome, they are showing individuality and I beleive thats what uniforms do. By making this a rule no gyms will have individuality. You may as well pick one style and one color for every gym!

Date: Thu Mar 6 1:15 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Are you serious? So if you WANTED your child to wear a sports bra and hot pants while she played AYSO Soccer then she should be allowed to? No because it is a sport that has a governing body that regulates what uniforms are allowed and which ones are not for teams. This is not a new concept!!!!

...but here is where your argument is not valid. AYSO website states:
The official site for this volunteer-driven youth soccer program for kids 4-1/2 to 19 years old

Allstar cheer is not a volunteer-driven program....it is a BUSINESS. An expensive business with expensive equipment and expensive utilities and expensive coaches and expensive camps and choreography and expensive competitions...and I'm sure you see the problem with your comparison to AYSO. Allstar cheer, like it or not, is a business. With business owners, who should be able to decide how to uniform the CUSTOMERS in their BUSINESS

Hello have you ever heard of club volleyball, it too is expensive, and a business.
they regulate what uniforms are allowed

LadyW · Senior Member

okay -- here is my 2 cents worth -- I think I kind of agree with the no crop top for youth (even maybe junior) and under. I think Senior is going to far. Just 2 years ago - crop tops were coming into the fad for Seniors teams.
SKIRTS - - I agree with -- I think they are way too short/tight. When you tumble, they should not sit on the top of your butt. Its ugly and it does detract (I get tired of seeing all these girls pulling down their skits after tumbling. Now is it up to USASF -- I don't think so -- I think the responsibility should fall on the gym owner -- He/She should say hey -- that is too small it does not look appropriate -- you need a bigger size ro something different.

Now -- should there be more rules (maybe/maybe no) -- maybe there should be some actual enforcment of the rules with deductions and penalties for what is in place -- Vulgur movements, inappropiate dancing etc.

NDA made huge statement this past weekend and actually had various penalty's and warnings for word/terms in music, and inappropriate costumes and dancing on several teams. Many times I have heard F(with a sound effect), or S(with a sound effect) those things seem more important than a crop top.

Date: Thu Mar 6 3:44 PM, 2008

Pittsburgh wrote:

I think this new rule is completey ridiculous!! This is not the NFL or any professional sport in which the athletes are being paid. I am completely opposed to this and think that gyms should not be told what they can or cannot wear. I see teams in the south having themes for their routines and not even wearing regular cheer uniforms. I think what they are doing is awesome, they are showing individuality and I beleive thats what uniforms do. By making this a rule no gyms will have individuality. You may as well pick one style and one color for every gym!

I feel as a gym owner that having rules are good. I think the new skirt rule is ok.. I have seen teams were their skirt is so short... why have them....just were the boy shorts!

Teams that are wearing themed uniforms... that's not cheering....go to dance.

I think all youth teams should not have crop tops. The other teams, Jr and Senior....sure....if the parents have aproblem with it, go to a different gym. Our gym does not have crop tops and never will. We have a dance top. It shows just a little skin and it's flashy. The parents love it. Some crop tops also can be a little to short.......

All Star Cheer is ment to be fast, flashy and more difficult than high school cheer . What I think the USASF is trying to do is set a standard and to make sure that at some point these kids do not look like little show girls! smile

Date: Thu Mar 6 8:23 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

My point was not that it was AYSO specifically, yes I used it as an example, but I it could apply to any private "club" sport. What sport allows you to wear whatever you WANT your child to wear with no restrictions?

Actually if your private , it means you have your own rules. If you want to do things publicly then work with school teams. Keep all star seperate. Its your own gym, kids and uniform choices. Yes individuals might not agree with something, but its NOT your choice, its the individual gym owners/coaches choice.

Well USASF needs to listen to the gyms, their customers, who make them what they are. The gyms need to also talk to their customers, the parents who financially support what they are doing. The gyms need to voice their opinion and so do the parents.

Date: Thu Mar 6 8:25 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

I am glad Jam Brands is not with Varsity and hopefully those other companies who are independent will not sell out. We need another Worlds competition NOT ran by USASF or Varsity. I am sure many people would jump on board.

I think so too!

Date: Thu Mar 6 10:19 PM, 2008

Several points to make:

1. Varsity does not own the cheerleading world (still working on it) so they wont make a decision like this without the consent of gym owners. Otherwise, gym owners would go somewhere else for business.

2. Varsity does not own every uniform company, so if for some odd reason varsity said you had to have a specific type of uniform than someone else would probably make them as well.