At large bids get passed down within the event that you are at.  It is after the fact that they do not get passed down.  That is why you saw teams at NCA that placed 8-10th get at large bids, because the teams above them already had a bid.

Universal Spirit has it listed them as a partial paid bid winner.  Its on their website.

if they didnt accept their bid and they already had one, does someone else get their bid from usa or does it go away?

Personally Charlotte deserved the bid. I'm wondering if USA gave out the bids to who they saw fit regardless of whether or not you had an equal or better bid. Maybe USA didn't inquire about existing bids? Maybe charlotte had some roster changes between comps?

Flat out- charlotte hits their routine. Their standing tucks don't touch. Their stunts don't bobble. Their fulls and doubles don't touch. They were one of the cleanest gyms all weekend.

Maybe USA isn't playing the game of passing out bids to teams who don't have a chance? People seemed upset that companies do that and now people are upset they didn't. I felt Charlotte deserved a paid bid. They nailed their routine in finals.

Thanks for the nice comments about Charlotte. I only saw the video and while I love our Teal team it wasn't their "best" performance. As a parent that doesn't have a child on that team, we were all under the impression that they were going for a Fully Paid Bid. It seemed weird to us also that it showed an At Large given and we assumed it was a mistake. I posted as such on the other forum mentioned. It did get me thinking though that thats a pretty big mistake to make and maybe we did have some changes that warranted the need for a new bid. Again I don't have the inside on that particular team so I've put a call into one of our coaches. I'll let you know...

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Personally Charlotte deserved the bid. I'm wondering if USA gave out the bids to who they saw fit regardless of whether or not you had an equal or better bid. Maybe USA didn't inquire about existing bids? Maybe charlotte had some roster changes between comps?

Flat out- charlotte hits their routine. Their standing tucks don't touch. Their stunts don't bobble. Their fulls and doubles don't touch. They were one of the cleanest gyms all weekend.

Maybe USA isn't playing the game of passing out bids to teams who don't have a chance? People seemed upset that companies do that and now people are upset they didn't. I felt Charlotte deserved a paid bid. They nailed their routine in finals.

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From experience, USA does not hand out bids to teams they think have no chance at Worlds, regardless of where they place. Happened to us years ago.Our Level 5's were told they had a level 4 routine and the only reason they won was the teams expected to win" did not hit. That and they decided who would win the bids on Saturday night. I was standing with the coaches and owners as the comp director told our owners why they didn't get a bid.we had no chance and we would not represent USA well and if they wanted more bids in the future they had to send the best teams regardless of how the fared in the competition...ie judges discretion.

While it is water under the bridge (in some senses) now, it is one of the reasons we don't go chasing after bids from anybody. If our whole gym can't go, we don't go.

 

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flipkidjudge wrote:

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From experience, USA does not hand out bids to teams they think have no chance at Worlds, regardless of where they place. Happened to us years ago.Our Level 5's were told they had a level 4 routine and the only reason they won was the teams expected to win" did not hit. That and they decided who would win the bids on Saturday night. I was standing with the coaches and owners as the comp director told our owners why they didn't get a bid.we had no chance and we would not represent USA well and if they wanted more bids in the future they had to send the best teams regardless of how the fared in the competition...ie judges discretion.

While it is water under the bridge (in some senses) now, it is one of the reasons we don't go chasing after bids from anybody. If our whole gym can't go, we don't go.

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I don't have any problems with an event producer having a choice of 3 or 4 teams to whom they could give bids and making a choice that they feel is in their best interest. For example a competition that has two paid bids to spread among small & large all girl & coed. If none of the 4 winners currently has a paid bid, the event producer should make their best choice (assuming that's what they said they would do). However, I can't imagine skipping over a winner to give a paid bid. If it happened to my team, I wouldn't ever go back.

 

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It happened. Reading the rules plus listening to people like you Acedad, I understand it, but what was done was not what was presented to us when we were determining which comps to go to that year. Conversations prior to the competition were vastly different than what happened. If the owners had said we don't care who wins we are going to give it to whomever we want, we would not have put much stock in it one way or the other. Either that or we would not have gone. But we went on his word that he saw no way that the winner of Small Senior 5 would not recieve some type of bid. What we did not know is he was giving us zero chance at that team being us. So he "spoke the truth" when he made that statement, and we went and ended up winning that year in our first year going Level 5 jumping up from Level 3. that wasn't expected, especially considering who was in that division that year.

If you want to know more pm me and I will be glad to share in more detail. Like I said the event is way past, but we to this day have to deal with girls whose feelings were crushed because they were passed over. We lost kids in part because of it...ie..The coaches lied to us...they will never get a bid to World's so lets go somewhere else where we have a better chance. And as a gym we became so disenchanted with World's process that bid competitions are hardly ever discussed when planning our calendar. If we go to one a year now, that is plenty for us.

So that year our Level 5 won, yet they were treated like losers. If they all knew all the stuff we coaches know about why they were passed over...the stuff and conversations that happened behind the scenes.....don't get me wrong...years later I totally understand they had the right to do what they did...but i/we still think it was foul the way it went down.

We were not going back to it, but a comp canceled at the last minute the year immediatley following so we returned. Since we take our whole program to every event and not just the higher level teams chasing bids, we choose more often than not to stay close to home. We were "discounted" back for our "disappointment with the process the previous year" plus that particular event is a cost effective one for our program since we primarily do local and regional type competitions. Haven't been back since nor have we gone to Cheersport since. Personally I hope we never return to either one. Too political for me.

I just want to have fun and let my kids have fun.

 

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