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The Northern California All-Star Alliance is going great.  We currently have 20+ gyms wanting to be involved.  The gyms represent all sizes and levels from Fresno to North of Sacramento, and from Placerville to the coast of the Bay Area.

All of the major event producers have contacted us regarding the upcoming 2008/2009 season.  Even the President of the USASF has given us a call.  We will be having our first meeting on April 12th 2008 in Stockton, CA.  All gyms are invited to attend.  If you are interested in having your gym represented please conatct me at powercheer@aol.com .

We will post information regarding our meeting on April 14th or so. 

Cheers
John Hebert
POWER



I'm wondering if anyone has looked at this from a legal standpoint this seems like a move towards unionizing. I don't know how I would feel as a competition company. Times are hard for everyone including the companies and this type of pressure coming from owners seems unecessary JMO. I think it is USASFs responsibility to arrange something like this since they are the governing body, not Northern California Gym Owners.



I have to disagree! It is NOT the USASF responsibility. The USASF is a governing body of rules and to make sure gyms and companies abide by those rules.  It is our responsibility as gym owners to provide a good product for our cutomers, that being the kids and their parents.  It is our responsibility as gym owners to ensure comp companies do not put comps on the same weekend. If the larger comp companies are going to purchase the smaller companies and not give us options, then we need to band together and show them we are a team and have them remember we are ALL their customers.  SOME companies get that, some do not!   smile






This is nothing close to a union as it does not pertain to labor at all. This is more like what local restaurants do by getting together and ordering food as a one large order and recieving the bulk discounts and passing those savings on to the customer. It is a business move like any other that is both legit and will soon be commonplace among cheer gyms.

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NCAA is ILLEGAL!

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NCAA is ILLEGAL!





Well done. I feel your argument is both facts based and deeply researched. =) Thank you for shedding so much light on the situation.

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I have to disagree! It is NOT the USASF responsibility. The USASF is a governing body of rules and to make sure gyms and companies abide by those rules.  It is our responsibility as gym owners to provide a good product for our cutomers, that being the kids and their parents.  It is our responsibility as gym owners to ensure comp companies do not put comps on the same weekend. If the larger comp companies are going to purchase the smaller companies and not give us options, then we need to band together and show them we are a team and have them remember we are ALL their customers.  SOME companies get that, some do not!   smile







This statement is ridiculous! Why should cheer companys have to listen to this bull crap, that's right they don't. You pick and chose the competition you want to go to as a gym owner. If they happen to fall on the weekend as another comp you dont go. You go to the next one, you qualify by video or other results from other competitions. And to make them give you a discounted group rate because you a nor cal team .. pahlease.. are you really going to give that discount to the parent .. or are you going to approximate the comp fees like usual and oops, we drop 1 or 2 comps and we still have to pay it.
You people need to get over yourself.



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I have to disagree! It is NOT the USASF responsibility. The USASF is a governing body of rules and to make sure gyms and companies abide by those rules. It is our responsibility as gym owners to provide a good product for our cutomers, that being the kids and their parents. It is our responsibility as gym owners to ensure comp companies do not put comps on the same weekend. If the larger comp companies are going to purchase the smaller companies and not give us options, then we need to band together and show them we are a team and have them remember we are ALL their customers. SOME companies get that, some do not! smile







This statement is ridiculous! Why should cheer companys have to listen to this bull crap, that's right they don't. You pick and chose the competition you want to go to as a gym owner. If they happen to fall on the weekend as another comp you dont go. You go to the next one, you qualify by video or other results from other competitions. And to make them give you a discounted group rate because you a nor cal team .. pahlease.. are you really going to give that discount to the parent .. or are you going to approximate the comp fees like usual and oops, we drop 1 or 2 comps and we still have to pay it.
You people need to get over yourself.

 



well damn someones a lil angry at the situation. i think its a good move. i agree bringing together the competition, even though facing the same opponents may get repetitive it's still better competing against them over and over (even if you lose) than it is going against no one. alot of times team lose to themselves (dropping, not hititng) but dont care because they compete against themselves. but if your competing over and over against people, your definately going to care.

as long as NCAA doesnt over power its ideas with companies i agree with it.

 



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There is nothing wrong with gyms trying to band together and do what is right for them. It is a win-win. If you dont want to go with the group, then dont. No big deal.

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There is nothing wrong with gyms trying to band together and do what is right for them. It is a win-win. If you dont want to go with the group, then dont. No big deal.




I agree.  The beautiful thing about this Alliance is that it's optional!



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well damn someones a lil angry at the situation. i think its a good move. i agree bringing together the competition, even though facing the same opponents may get repetitive it's still better competing against them over and over (even if you lose) than it is going against no one. alot of times team lose to themselves (dropping, not hititng) but dont care because they compete against themselves. but if your competing over and over against people, your definately going to care.

as long as NCAA doesnt over power its ideas with companies i agree with it.

 

 



According to John:

"By joining together and attending some not all of the same events"

So you won't have to compete at ALL the same events, you can still choose.

 



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"according to john" wow ok and that makes everything right? no. i do say that if you are concerned about the ncaa(still sounds like the college orginzation) you should go to the meeting in april and get more informed. is there something like this in southern ca too and if not then why not? are we pushing to hard up here in norcal  for things that need to be handled from a state wide thing? just a thought?
to tell the truth it all sounds like there are still a ton of things that need to be settled and answered but hey go to the meeting hear what has to be said and the decide................

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"according to john" wow ok and that makes everything right? no. i do say that if you are concerned about the ncaa(still sounds like the college orginzation) you should go to the meeting in april and get more informed. is there something like this in southern ca too and if not then why not? are we pushing to hard up here in norcal for things that need to be handled from a state wide thing? just a thought?
to tell the truth it all sounds like there are still a ton of things that need to be settled and answered but hey go to the meeting hear what has to be said and the decide................



Didn't think my post would be twisted like that, but okay.  I was just quoting a portion of John's post to address the concern someone had about having to attend all the same competitions.  Nobody would want to see the same teams at every single competition.  Doesn't sound like that would be an issue.   I think it has good intentions and could give us a voice when it comes to issues many of us have complained about right here on this board.

 



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"according to john" wow ok and that makes everything right? no. i do say that if you are concerned about the ncaa(still sounds like the college orginzation) you should go to the meeting in april and get more informed. is there something like this in southern ca too and if not then why not? are we pushing to hard up here in norcal for things that need to be handled from a state wide thing? just a thought?
to tell the truth it all sounds like there are still a ton of things that need to be settled and answered but hey go to the meeting hear what has to be said and the decide................



Didn't think my post would be twisted like that, but okay.  I was just quoting a portion of John's post to address the concern someone had about having to attend all the same competitions.  Nobody would want to see the same teams at every single competition.  Doesn't sound like that would be an issue.   I think it has good intentions and could give us a voice when it comes to issues many of us have complained about right here on this board.



On this board- Everything at one time will be taken negatively. I would not take it personally. There are just lots of unhappy people ou there



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NCAA is ILLEGAL!






Well done. I feel your argument is both facts based and deeply researched. =) Thank you for shedding so much light on the situation.

It's illegal becasue they did not think of it !



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I have to disagree! It is NOT the USASF responsibility. The USASF is a governing body of rules and to make sure gyms and companies abide by those rules.  It is our responsibility as gym owners to provide a good product for our cutomers, that being the kids and their parents.  It is our responsibility as gym owners to ensure comp companies do not put comps on the same weekend. If the larger comp companies are going to purchase the smaller companies and not give us options, then we need to band together and show them we are a team and have them remember we are ALL their customers.  SOME companies get that, some do not!   smile







This statement is ridiculous! Why should cheer companys have to listen to this bull crap, that's right they don't. You pick and chose the competition you want to go to as a gym owner. If they happen to fall on the weekend as another comp you dont go. You go to the next one, you qualify by video or other results from other competitions. And to make them give you a discounted group rate because you a nor cal team .. pahlease.. are you really going to give that discount to the parent .. or are you going to approximate the comp fees like usual and oops, we drop 1 or 2 comps and we still have to pay it.
You people need to get over yourself.



First off, I am gald you could spell ridiculous! However, the rest of your comments, well.... let me say, "I am sorry", that you attend a gym that pulls that kind of crap on you.  Keep a open mind. Lets see if this works. You do not need to be mean and nasty. Go to the meeting and ask questions or better yet just listen and may be you will learn how and why some of these gyms have gone in this direction. 

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well damn someones a lil angry at the situation. i think its a good move. i agree bringing together the competition, even though facing the same opponents may get repetitive it's still better competing against them over and over (even if you lose) than it is going against no one. alot of times team lose to themselves (dropping, not hititng) but dont care because they compete against themselves. but if your competing over and over against people, your definately going to care.

as long as NCAA doesnt over power its ideas with companies i agree with it.




According to John:

"By joining together and attending some not all of the same events"

So you won't have to compete at ALL the same events, you can still choose.



HAHAHAHAHA I think this is hilarious. All they forgot to add was "The Gospel According to John" Really people this is to much!



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it wont be funny when someone starts pushing Titles, Sections, and Numbers of the federal law.

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I have to disagree! It is NOT the USASF responsibility. The USASF is a governing body of rules and to make sure gyms and companies abide by those rules. It is our responsibility as gym owners to provide a good product for our cutomers, that being the kids and their parents. It is our responsibility as gym owners to ensure comp companies do not put comps on the same weekend. If the larger comp companies are going to purchase the smaller companies and not give us options, then we need to band together and show them we are a team and have them remember we are ALL their customers. SOME companies get that, some do not! smile







This statement is ridiculous! Why should cheer companys have to listen to this bull crap, that's right they don't. You pick and chose the competition you want to go to as a gym owner. If they happen to fall on the weekend as another comp you dont go. You go to the next one, you qualify by video or other results from other competitions. And to make them give you a discounted group rate because you a nor cal team .. pahlease.. are you really going to give that discount to the parent .. or are you going to approximate the comp fees like usual and oops, we drop 1 or 2 comps and we still have to pay it.
You people need to get over yourself.





JMO:  I'm no psychologist, but I think your resentment has nothing to do with "NCAA."  I think it has to do with the gym owner that thought of the idea.  Really, Sweetie, it's no big deal.  You DON'T have to be an "Alliance" if you don't want to.  That's the beauty of it.  I think you don't want your gym to join b/c your gym gets beat by this particular gym.  Isn't that your issue????  Let it out. 







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it wont be funny when someone starts pushing Titles, Sections, and Numbers of the federal law.



Exactly which law is being broken here?



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JMO:  I'm no psychologist, but I think your resentment has nothing to do with "NCAA."  I think it has to do with the gym owner that thought of the idea.  Really, Sweetie, it's no big deal.  You DON'T have to be an "Alliance" if you don't want to.  That's the beauty of it.  I think you don't want your gym to join b/c your gym gets beat by this particular gym.  Isn't that your issue????  Let it out. 


Wowee you are just a bigger idiot than that other person. It sounds to me like ya'll just need help. The thing about this NCAA is that Cheer Companies don't even need to recognize it. Go ahead set up your Alliance, but who says Jamz, USA, GSSA, etc., will even give it consideration? You think a couple gyms are going to change their Policies and Procedures because you guys don't want to pay?  And/Or change thier schedule around to best suit you? I agree with the other comment. Ridiculous.



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JMO:  I'm no psychologist, but I think your resentment has nothing to do with "NCAA."  I think it has to do with the gym owner that thought of the idea.  Really, Sweetie, it's no big deal.  You DON'T have to be an "Alliance" if you don't want to.  That's the beauty of it.  I think you don't want your gym to join b/c your gym gets beat by this particular gym.  Isn't that your issue????  Let it out. 


Wowee you are just a bigger idiot than that other person. It sounds to me like ya'll just need help. The thing about this NCAA is that Cheer Companies don't even need to recognize it. Go ahead set up your Alliance, but who says Jamz, USA, GSSA, etc., will even give it consideration? You think a couple gyms are going to change their Policies and Procedures because you guys don't want to pay?  And/Or change thier schedule around to best suit you? I agree with the other comment. Ridiculous.



Yeah, you're right.  We all need help except for you b/c you know what you're talking about.  I really don't see why you're getting so upset about this at all.  Calm down.  I can't wait till April 14th -- I think.  I hope someone will keep us posted.



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Wow! Some people will argue about anything....don't join if you don't want to! Otherwise, get a life and get over it weirdface

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