Cheersport Jan 27th Schedule

Date: Fri Jan 25 10:30 AM, 2008

RE: Cheersport Jan 27th Schedule

Date: Fri Jan 25 10:33 AM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

How is everyone measuring success on this board? Is it all about the win? Is it all about getting your cheerleader to level 5? Is it the number of kids that walk through the doors each night? What is success to everyone?

I know that this is way off topic and if this topic needs to be moved to another thread please do so.

I think its parents more than the kids in this case. I notice more and more parents saying their child isn't happy, when its more like they aren't happy. Kids are taught most things from their parents, and if their parents make side comments in the car, competitions or practices, then of course their child becomes unhappy. Once their child gets that layout/full/ double, they are a good as gone because in their mind they are a gold mine to your gym and there is some type of favor they are doing your gym.

Date: Fri Jan 25 11:04 AM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

How is everyone measuring success on this board? Is it all about the win? Is it all about getting your cheerleader to level 5? Is it the number of kids that walk through the doors each night? What is success to everyone?

I know that this is way off topic and if this topic needs to be moved to another thread please do so.

Very good point. What measures success. In terms on training your child to be the best cheerleader. Progressing them through level 1-5 and having "true"level 5 teams; I really think Cheergyms and Power can claim that one. As far as the other aspect of cheer. They are hard to measure. A gym might be awesome and only have level 1-4.

Date: Fri Jan 25 11:09 AM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

How is everyone measuring success on this board? Is it all about the win? Is it all about getting your cheerleader to level 5? Is it the number of kids that walk through the doors each night? What is success to everyone?

I know that this is way off topic and if this topic needs to be moved to another thread please do so.

I think its parents more than the kids in this case. I notice more and more parents saying their child isn't happy, when its more like they aren't happy. Kids are taught most things from their parents, and if their parents make side comments in the car, competitions or practices, then of course their child becomes unhappy. Once their child gets that layout/full/ double, they are a good as gone because in their mind they are a gold mine to your gym and there is some type of favor they are doing your gym.

You can't always put everything off on the parents. Most of us try our best to be good parents and listen to our kids. When my child comes home I can tell if she has had a good or bad night at practice without a word being spoken. I know when her joy of cheer is waning. There is no golden set of rules when it comes to parenting. Yes we sometimes forget to take the blinders off when it comes to our children because we love them. But most kids can only hide when they are unhappy for only so long. Thats when as a parent I step in. Thats the role I took on the day she was born. I'm not going to change. I don't interfere with her coaches and I trust thier judgement. Yes there are times I question things. Who doesn't? I have always tried to teach my daughter it's not always about winning. It's about challenging yourself and knowing you did the best you could. But there comes a time when they want to win. They want to be the best. Isn't that what they have been working for all along. So if it means moving to a different gym so she can obtain a goal she has set for herself so be it. If this is truely what she wants I'll support her. You can't always sterotype all of us.

Date: Fri Jan 25 11:23 AM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

How is everyone measuring success on this board? Is it all about the win? Is it all about getting your cheerleader to level 5? Is it the number of kids that walk through the doors each night? What is success to everyone?

I know that this is way off topic and if this topic needs to be moved to another thread please do so.

Very good point. What measures success. In terms on training your child to be the best cheerleader. Progressing them through level 1-5 and having "true"level 5 teams; I really think Cheergyms and Power can claim that one. As far as the other aspect of cheer. They are hard to measure. A gym might be awesome and only have level 1-4.

I think many people REALLY do believe their daughters are going to be a level 5 cheerleader at some point in their cheerleading career. Not every cheerleader is going to be able to say they are a level 5 cheerleader. When I say level 5 I am referring to all aspects of cheer, not just the tumbling. So, yes, you as a parent need to seek a gym that can offer that type of service and training for your cheerleader.

Success can be drawn from those gyms that consistantly place well in levels 1-4. It doesn't have to be all about the level 5 and I sometimes think that SOME parents forget that.

Date: Fri Jan 25 11:27 AM, 2008

Thanks for that post, I couldn't have said it better myself!

Date: Fri Jan 25 11:34 AM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Thanks for that post, I couldn't have said it better myself!

Which post are you referring too???

Date: Fri Jan 25 11:43 AM, 2008

I think it is very naive of the gyms to think that it is not all about the level 5 teams. Do you know how many talented athletes leave thier little gym when they get that full. Most.... Gyms that cannot properly train athletes to the level 5 skills will lose them if they ever do. You know why ? because it is about giving your child the opportunity to be the "best" at what they love. If that was the case, I would never take the training wheels off my daughters bike. She can ride with them on. She has fun on the bike and the bike is has been perfectly fine with the training wheels on. I took the training wheels off because she did not need them anymore. She out grew them.

When your daughter outgrows the gym that cannot provide her with the training she needs, do not call her a GYM JUMPER. The problem is that the GYM cannot provide her a team wear she can cheer without those wheels.

Date: Fri Jan 25 11:47 AM, 2008

Oh Sorry...You can't always put everything off on the parents.....

Date: Fri Jan 25 11:51 AM, 2008

I love the training wheel analagy. Let's not forget that the little gym may be able to train up to level 5 skills but some don't even have a level 5 team in their gym!

Date: Fri Jan 25 11:59 AM, 2008

You forget that every gym was a little gym once. You have to have vision and you have to progress yout teams not just individuals. That mini 2 team becomes a Junior 3 team and then a Senior 4 team and the next year they give level 5 a shot. The problem is that there are many gyms that can never make that jump. Why are there so may gyms that cant field teams ?Heck there is a gym in this year that has been around for I think 7 years and their highest senior team is a level 2? As a parent of a younger kid, you should be asking why that has happened ? Why can't certain gyms keep kids interested in the progression of skills. If your child is on a mini team there, shouldn't you be asking those questions ?

Date: Fri Jan 25 12:09 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

I love the training wheel analagy. Let's not forget that the little gym may be able to train up to level 5 skills but some don't even have a level 5 team in their gym!

I think everyone is in agreement that Power and Cheergyms are able to TRAIN level 5 cheerleaders. These gyms are classified as small gyms based on the number of cheerleaders that have at each facility.

These gyms didn't open their doors years ago and say they were well equiped to train at the level 5 (advanced). It took years of work to educate their cheerleaders, parents, coaching staff, etc.

The point is that gyms grow with the talent that is nutured in their gyms. The gym can only put a certain level of team of what is comprise with the talent on their practice floor.

Yes, absolutely if your gym is not providing a level that your cheerleader is ready for, then go out and find one. But again those of you chasing a level 5 goal are in the minority.

There are many more families that are just fine with the levels 1-4.   And if a small gym can provide that and continue to place well that, in my book, is success.

Date: Fri Jan 25 12:14 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Oh Sorry...You can't always put everything off on the parents.....

Parents do need to take on this responsibility. It's the parents that are writing the checks.

Date: Fri Jan 25 1:15 PM, 2008

Last year there were a few successful gyms I can think of whose highest level was a 3. That was their true level and they did a fantastic job. I agree if you have athletes who need to perform at a higher level than your gym can offer, you need to move on (I also love the training wheels analogy), but the majority of cheerleaders in our sport realistically are levels 1 through 3.

APLOVER · Senior Member

cant wait for this competition to kick off and good luck to all the teams competing this weekend cant wait to see everyone there!!!!!

Date: Fri Jan 25 8:59 PM, 2008

good luck to all the teams going to this comp! let us no how everybody did cant wait to hear

Date: Sat Jan 26 5:14 AM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

I think it is very naive of the gyms to think that it is not all about the level 5 teams. Do you know how many talented athletes leave thier little gym when they get that full. Most.... Gyms that cannot properly train athletes to the level 5 skills will lose them if they ever do. You know why ? because it is about giving your child the opportunity to be the "best" at what they love. If that was the case, I would never take the training wheels off my daughters bike. She can ride with them on. She has fun on the bike and the bike is has been perfectly fine with the training wheels on. I took the training wheels off because she did not need them anymore. She out grew them.

When your daughter outgrows the gym that cannot provide her with the training she needs, do not call her a GYM JUMPER. The problem is that the GYM cannot provide her a team wear she can cheer without those wheels.

Don't get me wrong, I love my level five girls but they are out numbered by my Level 1-4 kids. I spend just as much time with the lower levels as I do with the upper levels. Any coach that thinks that level 5 pays the bills wont be in business for long. The majority of my kids are not even interested in level 5. They feel that it is to much pressure and a bigger time commitment and we have not gotten cheer crazy enough out here to have kids jumping at the bit to fight for a level 5 spot.

I would be happy with 36 Youth Level 1 kids, that is my dream, to get Northern California bursting with youth teams. They are the future of our industry. Either way kids are all the same, willing to learn and wanting to be accepted no matter the skill or age.

Stay safe this weekend.

Nicole Nicosia
Airborne

Date: Sat Jan 26 9:40 AM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I think it is very naive of the gyms to think that it is not all about the level 5 teams. Do you know how many talented athletes leave thier little gym when they get that full. Most.... Gyms that cannot properly train athletes to the level 5 skills will lose them if they ever do. You know why ? because it is about giving your child the opportunity to be the "best" at what they love. If that was the case, I would never take the training wheels off my daughters bike. She can ride with them on. She has fun on the bike and the bike is has been perfectly fine with the training wheels on. I took the training wheels off because she did not need them anymore. She out grew them.

When your daughter outgrows the gym that cannot provide her with the training she needs, do not call her a GYM JUMPER. The problem is that the GYM cannot provide her a team wear she can cheer without those wheels.

Don't get me wrong, I love my level five girls but they are out numbered by my Level 1-4 kids. I spend just as much time with the lower levels as I do with the upper levels. Any coach that thinks that level 5 pays the bills wont be in business for long. The majority of my kids are not even interested in level 5. They feel that it is to much pressure and a bigger time commitment and we have not gotten cheer crazy enough out here to have kids jumping at the bit to fight for a level 5 spot.

I would be happy with 36 Youth Level 1 kids, that is my dream, to get Northern California bursting with youth teams. They are the future of our industry. Either way kids are all the same, willing to learn and wanting to be accepted no matter the skill or age.

Stay safe this weekend.

Nicole Nicosia
Airborne

That's so awesome the way you treat all of your kids and teams with the same importance!!! You will continue to be successful because of it!
Unfortunately it's not always that way at other gyms with level 5 teams. cry

Good luck to everyone tomorrow and HAVE FUN!!! biggrin

Date: Sat Jan 26 12:18 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I think it is very naive of the gyms to think that it is not all about the level 5 teams. Do you know how many talented athletes leave thier little gym when they get that full. Most.... Gyms that cannot properly train athletes to the level 5 skills will lose them if they ever do. You know why ? because it is about giving your child the opportunity to be the "best" at what they love. If that was the case, I would never take the training wheels off my daughters bike. She can ride with them on. She has fun on the bike and the bike is has been perfectly fine with the training wheels on. I took the training wheels off because she did not need them anymore. She out grew them.

When your daughter outgrows the gym that cannot provide her with the training she needs, do not call her a GYM JUMPER. The problem is that the GYM cannot provide her a team wear she can cheer without those wheels.

Don't get me wrong, I love my level five girls but they are out numbered by my Level 1-4 kids. I spend just as much time with the lower levels as I do with the upper levels. Any coach that thinks that level 5 pays the bills wont be in business for long. The majority of my kids are not even interested in level 5. They feel that it is to much pressure and a bigger time commitment and we have not gotten cheer crazy enough out here to have kids jumping at the bit to fight for a level 5 spot.

I would be happy with 36 Youth Level 1 kids, that is my dream, to get Northern California bursting with youth teams. They are the future of our industry. Either way kids are all the same, willing to learn and wanting to be accepted no matter the skill or age.

Stay safe this weekend.

Nicole Nicosia
Airborne

That's so awesome the way you treat all of your kids and teams with the same importance!!! You will continue to be successful because of it!
Unfortunately it's not always that way at other gyms with level 5 teams.

Good luck to everyone tomorrow and HAVE FUN!!!

good for you . I am so happy to hear that because at gym today it seems lide it is all about the lev 5 teams and not the lower lev team. even though gyms say they care for all lev's ( not you ) they don't because of their actions. thats just to bad.

Date: Sat Jan 26 10:35 PM, 2008

Cant wait til tomorrow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG weirdface

Go Senior 4 teams!!! biggrin

I am very nervous!!!!!!!!!!!!!! confused

:)

Good luck to u all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! idea