NACCC Live Webcast Jan. 3rd

Tamara · cheergyms.com Master Poster

RE: NACCC Live Webcast Jan. 3rd

Worlds Watcher · GURU

Anonymous wrote:

Worlds Watcher wrote:

2.
a.Change Sr ages to 12-18
b.Change Sr ages to 13-18
c.Do not change Sr age in future (leave at 10)
d.Eliminate the 10 yr bottom age of Senior teams

I think there are some good discussions that can happen around the topic of age limitation for Senior teams. Let's see if we can discuss this point without being rude to posters.

Here is what I've gathered from previous posts, pros and cons:
1. Doesn't allow younger kids that have level 5 skills to stay at current gym if gym doesn't have youth/junior 5 teams. This can limit the growth of the gym and the athlete.

2. Teams should be age appropriate to limit exposure of younger kids to "adult" conversations and activities.

Thank you for that, I believe that was exactly what is being said. But I am clueless as to why because of age you would not want that kid on the floor. Judges don't care how old the kid is when they mark how many full or doubles they seen in the routine, etc. Do you think the Lakers didnt want Kobe because he was 18, they want the talent, and he was in his prime? Maybe thats the real issue here is that the age of prime is lowering in this sport.

These kids don't run across the floor with their age on their back so I really don't understand the issue. Besides that the gym should control the inappropriate conversations, and from the sounds of it maybe the things the older kids are discussing the gym is not the appropriate place.

One of the biggest arguements I've heard for limiting the age is the flyers. Some believe that it is an unfair advantage for teams to compete against flyers that are 70lbs vs 110lbs. They say it is alot harder to put up the sr age kids.

Worlds Watcher · GURU

11. Add on non-tumbling division at Level 4 - what does this mean?

There are athletes out there that have great flying skills but no tumbling. They want to be able to have non-tumbling divisions like they do in High School divisions.

Date: Fri Jan 4 1:24 PM, 2008

To me this shouldn't even be added because all star cheerleading is about having it all. Ya those cheerleaders can stunt, but if they can't tumble, jump, dance, and stunt, then there shouldn't be a division out there. Leave that for rec and school programs.

Date: Fri Jan 4 1:51 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

To me this shouldn't even be added because all star cheerleading is about having it all. Ya those cheerleaders can stunt, but if they can't tumble, jump, dance, and stunt, then there shouldn't be a division out there. Leave that for rec and school programs.

Why not. There are alot of awesome flyers, bases and backspots that may not have the high level of tumbling skills. Whats wrong with giving them the ability to show what they can do with more difficult skills. Even now on some level 4 and 5 teams, there are the girls/guys that may not have the tumbling but are just as valuable to the team. Not every kid who joins an All Star team is a gymnast. What about kids who get into this sport at an older age. Also I've seen some rec teams that can give alot of All Stars a run for thier money.

ACEDAD · GURU

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

To me this shouldn't even be added because all star cheerleading is about having it all. Ya those cheerleaders can stunt, but if they can't tumble, jump, dance, and stunt, then there shouldn't be a division out there. Leave that for rec and school programs.

Why not. There are alot of awesome flyers, bases and backspots that may not have the high level of tumbling skills. Whats wrong with giving them the ability to show what they can do with more difficult skills. Even now on some level 4 and 5 teams, there are the girls/guys that may not have the tumbling but are just as valuable to the team. Not every kid who joins an All Star team is a gymnast. What about kids who get into this sport at an older age. Also I've seen some rec teams that can give alot of All Stars a run for thier money.

The same thing can be accomplished by having the kids cross over to a different level team to use those skills.

Date: Fri Jan 4 3:09 PM, 2008

Worlds Watcher wrote:

11. Add on non-tumbling division at Level 4 - what does this mean?

There are athletes out there that have great flying skills but no tumbling. They want to be able to have non-tumbling divisions like they do in High School divisions.

There should be a "non-batting" division in baseball. I have a friend whose an incredible shortstop but can't hit at all.

CheerLover06 · Newbie

hahaha "non-batting" thats a good one! and soo me!!

but on topic..i dont think there should be a non tumbling catagory..i mean, i can see the other side..but like someone said before, it should be about having it all. and if you have a group of people who are really that great at stunting then why dont they just enter a group stunt catagory. i know every comp doesnt offer it, but if you want it bad enough you'll find it.

Worlds Watcher · GURU

If the objective/goal of competitive cheerleading is to :have it all" then we should eliminate all other divisions except Level 5. That is the only division that "has it all".

What competitive cheerleading is today is getting as many kids to compete so the cheer companies can make money. The more variety of divisions they offer the more money they will bring in. And it will also help those smaller gyms to offer more teams and also make money.

Please understand I'm not against making money. But we have to be realistic. If the gyms and companies don't make money there won't be competitive cheer.

Tamara · cheergyms.com Master Poster

That's what I read it as, but I thought I had to be reading it wrong. That's a nay. I agree the whole point is having a routine with it all. BUT, if this division were to be created...it might be the thing that brings my daughter back out. She was a great base, but just couldn't get the tumbling together.

Date: Wed Jan 9 1:30 PM, 2008

14. Require Birth Certificate accompanied with photo ID for proof of age.

THIS IS BY FAR NEEDED! I KNOW SOME GYMS WHOS KIDS ARE ON THE SENIOR TEAM AND THEY ARE 19 YEARS OLD. THIS IS NOT OKAY WITH ME. DO THEY CHECK AGES AT WORLDS? LIKE BIRTH CERTIFICATES? THEY NEED TO.

Date: Wed Jan 9 3:25 PM, 2008

If a team is going to go out of their way to break the rules and put someone who is not eligble on their team, I would think they wouldn't hesitate to fake the birth certificate.

Worlds Watcher · GURU

Anonymous wrote:
14. Require Birth Certificate accompanied with photo ID for proof of age.

THIS IS BY FAR NEEDED! I KNOW SOME GYMS WHOS KIDS ARE ON THE SENIOR TEAM AND THEY ARE 19 YEARS OLD. THIS IS NOT OKAY WITH ME. DO THEY CHECK AGES AT WORLDS? LIKE BIRTH CERTIFICATES? THEY NEED TO.

Being 19 and on a sr team is not illegal if you were 18 on May 31. My daughter could cheer on a sr team when she is a sophmore in college and she would be 19 for the majority of the competition season.

But I agree with you that birth certificate and photo id should be required.

Date: Thu Jan 10 12:07 AM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

14. Require Birth Certificate accompanied with photo ID for proof of age.

THIS IS BY FAR NEEDED! I KNOW SOME GYMS WHOS KIDS ARE ON THE SENIOR TEAM AND THEY ARE 19 YEARS OLD. THIS IS NOT OKAY WITH ME. DO THEY CHECK AGES AT WORLDS? LIKE BIRTH CERTIFICATES? THEY NEED TO.

We have a 19 year old on our senior 5 team this year. She turned 19 on June 1st. It is within the rules. I sometimes feel that some gyms do not educate their kids on the rules. Our coach is very open about all of the rules so we know why things occur.

- An Airborne Girl

Date: Thu Jan 10 1:24 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

14. Require Birth Certificate accompanied with photo ID for proof of age.

THIS IS BY FAR NEEDED! I KNOW SOME GYMS WHOS KIDS ARE ON THE SENIOR TEAM AND THEY ARE 19 YEARS OLD. THIS IS NOT OKAY WITH ME. DO THEY CHECK AGES AT WORLDS? LIKE BIRTH CERTIFICATES? THEY NEED TO.

We have a 19 year old on our senior 5 team this year. She turned 19 on June 1st. It is within the rules. I sometimes feel that some gyms do not educate their kids on the rules. Our coach is very open about all of the rules so we know why things occur.

- An Airborne Girl

Yes it's ok, she was 18 on May 31st. The age of the competitor is the age they were on May 31st.

Date: Thu Jan 10 5:32 PM, 2008

results ?
http://www.livesportsvideo.com/absolutepm/xlaapmview.asp?p=2

Date: Thu Jan 10 6:26 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

14. Require Birth Certificate accompanied with photo ID for proof of age.

THIS IS BY FAR NEEDED! I KNOW SOME GYMS WHOS KIDS ARE ON THE SENIOR TEAM AND THEY ARE 19 YEARS OLD. THIS IS NOT OKAY WITH ME. DO THEY CHECK AGES AT WORLDS? LIKE BIRTH CERTIFICATES? THEY NEED TO.

We have a 19 year old on our senior 5 team this year. She turned 19 on June 1st. It is within the rules. I sometimes feel that some gyms do not educate their kids on the rules. Our coach is very open about all of the rules so we know why things occur.

- An Airborne Girl

Yes it's ok, she was 18 on May 31st. The age of the competitor is the age they were on May 31st.

I do not think the person who originally posted the comment about birth certificates was pin pointing a certain gym. I believe that they are trying to say is that some type of regulation is needed. Looking at birth certificates and also Photo ID will eliminate the idea that some gyms are bending the rules. You can not come on here and think every gym is perfect.

Airborne girl, that is great that your coach or who ever is filling you in on the information. It is a great way to educate the individuals on the team so they can not only compete but they can learn about the sport. I believe a good amount of gyms out there.

Date: Thu Jan 10 11:32 PM, 2008

this is nothing to do with his daughter her daughter but I'm sorry. Everytime I see a Sr. team at a comp it just looks crazy with little girls on a team with 18 year olds. Yes they seem to be more used for stunts and tumble skills and for the most part thier in the back because they look crazy stying to move or be up to par with the older teens. I think a team would be better all around if they kept teens with teens and kids with kids. Now a days we just let our kids grow up to fast when really they have a lifetime for move ahead. Sorry if this bugs some parents but JMO. So my VOTE is 14-18 for all SR. teams.