Youth Programs VS. High School Vs. All Star which Do you prefer and Why?

Date: Fri Dec 14 8:50 PM, 2007

Youth Programs VS. High School Vs. All Star which Do you prefer and Why?

Date: Fri Dec 14 9:11 PM, 2007

Well I'm an all star cheerleader and I definitely think all star is the best. You get kids of all ages and abilities in the same gym and it's just great to grow up in the same environment and have a real family feeling. It also brings together people from all different schools. And I loveee competing. It does depend on the person though because some people would rather cheer at football games but I'm really not into sideline cheering. It's so much better when the crowd cheers for us biggrin

Date: Fri Dec 14 10:24 PM, 2007

Cost
All Star More
Youth Less
High School about same
Competitions
All Star More
Youth Less
High School Less
Equip
All Star More
Youth Less
High School Depends
Staff
All Star ( more or less certified)
Youth ( usually high school trainers)
High School Depends on school
Time Committment
All Star Year Round
Youth about 6 months but must give up weekends for games
High School unsure
Opportunities for high school or college
All Star (more experience) In most cases NOT ALL
Youth typically not as competitive however there are some amazing youth
High School ; Not as competitive (most cases)

Lastly you should only coach one not more than one because it becomes a conflict. Youth coaches should not coach all star. High School should not coach all star.

Date: Sat Dec 15 2:18 PM, 2007

Having been apart of both Youth and All Stars I'd say All Stars hands down. High School cheer is to much of a popularity contest for me. I love competing and unless your school has a competitive team I don't think I'd want to do it.

Date: Sat Dec 15 5:16 PM, 2007

I probably say all star, because everyone in that area is focused on upcoming trends. competing and you really feel like a family. In high school its just your team along with jv, may freshman. Youth teams seem to be alot of drama from what I have seen, heard and experienced, especially with parents. I am sure there are exceptions to this I just love my all stars.

Date: Sat Dec 15 11:16 PM, 2007

YEP! YEP! YEP! All-stars hands down!

Date: Sun Dec 16 11:36 PM, 2007

Anonymous wrote:

I currently coach 3 all star teams a high school team and a middle school team. I have never had conflicts. If u have the right support staff you can make it happen and run successful teams!

Cost
All Star More
Youth Less
High School about same
Competitions
All Star More
Youth Less
High School Less
Equip
All Star More
Youth Less
High School Depends
Staff
All Star ( more or less certified)
Youth ( usually high school trainers)
High School Depends on school
Time Committment
All Star Year Round
Youth about 6 months but must give up weekends for games.

High School unsure
Opportunities for high school or college
All Star (more experience) In most cases NOT ALL
Youth typically not as competitive however there are some amazing youth
High School ; Not as competitive (most cases)

Lastly you should only coach one not more than one because it becomes a conflict. Youth coaches should not coach all star. High School should not coach all star.

OC Mom · GURU

I disagree with the High School should not coach All Star. If you're good enough to coach All Star, you're good enough to coach High School. I'm watching it happen right now and it's wonderful. I know my kid has the best coach she can have and her coach isn't risking injuries just to look good on the sidelines. All Star coaches know to save their kids for the competition floor, not use them to look good during the games.

We've been involved in all 3. Youth, MY OPINION, was boring. No challenge. Games were a waste of time. the competition was ok but still. Boring.

High school is ok. It's not about competing, it's about being a part of your school spirit. She's really enjoying it. She's getting the full high school experience and that's all I care about.

All Star is the most competitive and most challenging. It can get old. Lots of pressure and lots of stress but LOTS of rewards.

I think it just is your own personal commitment. Yes, youth is boring for us but not for all. It's perfect for some. High school may be enough if you just care about competing some and getting the experience. All Stars is the way to go if you love competing and can put your all in to it. Unfortunately you have all star kids but not all star parents. (attitude wise)

Date: Mon Dec 17 8:21 AM, 2007

Anonymous wrote:

Youth teams seem to be alot of drama from what I have seen, heard and experienced, especially with parents. I am sure there are exceptions to this I just love my all stars.

That's why I love allstars so much.... no drama.

Date: Mon Dec 17 8:25 AM, 2007

OC Mom wrote:

We've been involved in all 3. Youth, MY OPINION, was boring. No challenge. Games were a waste of time. the competition was ok but still. Boring.

We've been involved in all 3 as well. While I agree, youth cheerleading was on the boring side. I don't believe the games were a waste of time at all. The games were the best part of youth cheer to me. Granted, its not like cheering for your HS team, but it certainly is the equivalent of hs games for this age group. Not everyone wants to compete. And yes, if you want to compete, allstars is the way to go.

Date: Mon Dec 17 8:56 AM, 2007

My problem with is not with an All Star Coach coaching a High School Team, but when a specific gym seems to control the High School program overall. It can cause a lot of conflicts. Favortiism, feeling like they have to attend a this particular gym if they want to make the team, and lots of drama.

Date: Mon Dec 17 8:57 AM, 2007

OC Mom wrote:

I disagree with the High School should not coach All Star. If you're good enough to coach All Star, you're good enough to coach High School. I'm watching it happen right now and it's wonderful. I know my kid has the best coach she can have and her coach isn't risking injuries just to look good on the sidelines. All Star coaches know to save their kids for the competition floor, not use them to look good during the games.

We've been involved in all 3. Youth, MY OPINION, was boring. No challenge. Games were a waste of time. the competition was ok but still. Boring.

High school is ok. It's not about competing, it's about being a part of your school spirit. She's really enjoying it. She's getting the full high school experience and that's all I care about.

All Star is the most competitive and most challenging. It can get old. Lots of pressure and lots of stress but LOTS of rewards.

I think it just is your own personal commitment. Yes, youth is boring for us but not for all. It's perfect for some. High school may be enough if you just care about competing some and getting the experience. All Stars is the way to go if you love competing and can put your all in to it. Unfortunately you have all star kids but not all star parents. (attitude wise)

OMG OC mom I couldn't agree more. Most high school coaches here in Nor Cal make their kids do all these crazy stunts and tumbling with no thought of how it will effect the kids. You look at most college programs and they are safer than the high school teams. The high school teams do so many illegal stunts and take unecessary risks.

As far as comparing the 3, they are all different. The feeling of pep rally or game, is completely different than a major all star competition. You can't compare because its different type of athletes with different attitudes. All stars is stressful, but its so rewarding and you meet so many great people. In high school you are with the same group of people all the way through. Thats why I love all stars because you get a whole region together to cheer.

xtofunk · Veteran Member

I prefer all-star. I like the feeling you get when you compete and hearing the announcer say "on deck.."
I cheered in high school for 3 years, and it was fun, it was just missing a certain element. football games were fun, and at basketball games i kept running from the ball whenit came towards me.
Never cheered for youth, but ive seen some great youth teams.
I do wish I cheered at granite bay high school. they are amazing. biggrin

Date: Mon Dec 17 9:32 AM, 2007

I notice the most competitive high school teams aren't very strong at game performances. Meaning , ya they are throwing crazy stunts, but thats about it. They aren't sharp on the sidelines, they really can't lead the crowd, and their routines are more like competition routines and not game routines which need to cater to the crowd not other cheerleaders. Its really important for a coach to know the difference. I love seeing great game routines, but its so hard to find that now because they doing random stunts onthe sidelines.

Date: Mon Dec 17 1:53 PM, 2007

ive seen some top high school programs that could really go head to head
with several all star programs. I have also seen several north cali youth teams
that are way ahead of the game that can also go head to head with
all star. i agree it really depends on who coaches and how you lucked out
getting a coach that can teach that stuff. SOme high schools have no biz
doing some of the stunts they do...what are some of the top hs programs and youth teams......

OC Mom · GURU

I'm just glad we don't have the drama of the all star coach making the kids of other all star teams feel bad for not being with their particular gym. Maybe our coach just "gets it" I don't know. But as for the sideline stuff, we are also lucky enough to have a coach who cheered in school as well. The hardest stunt they do are libs. Em will do the occasional scale or arabesque, but I've seen her do it twice in two years. No crazy stunts allowed. They lead cheers, get the crowd going, etc. They are there for the football game, not to show off. That's saved for the mat.

You are so right, it depends on the coach you get. But that's why I always told her she wouldn't cheer in school. I changed my mind 1 month before tryouts when I found out who the coach was. The cheer world is small. But I do have to say, not ALL All Star coaches get it. I saw an all star coach from another school making the kids do some pretty tough stunts on the sidelines. Then another performed their competition routine at half time on the field. I cringed. Some parents didn't understand why we didn't do the same. The all star parents did and we thanked our coach for having some brains.

I love football. I did enjoy the games at the youth level. But my daughter was bored out of her mind. That's what I meant by boring. I was looking at it thru the kids eyes.

-- Edited by OC Mom at 15:47, 2007-12-17

Date: Mon Dec 17 6:03 PM, 2007

I can tell you some of the top HS programs....

Granite Bay is one, also Oakridge Trojans. Oakridge has a phenominal coed team. These teams also have amazing Youth Football teams.[youtube=]

Date: Mon Dec 17 6:04 PM, 2007

well i guess I don't know how to imbed the you tube thing but here's the link:

Date: Mon Dec 17 6:05 PM, 2007

ok try this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCD0cg57LtE

Date: Mon Dec 17 7:35 PM, 2007

that was a few year's back...any up to date info on oak ridge?
Did they compete at the power comp or was that there youth
program?