open a gym

AllieM · Member

RE: open a gym

Date: Fri Dec 14 12:23 PM, 2007

AllieM wrote:

what so I can hear goody goody gum drops?

Unfortunately I think you would hear only what you want to hear.

Date: Fri Dec 14 1:13 PM, 2007

Anonymous wrote:

I agree, I think a certain small gym in Elk Grove is a little defensive.

I would however like to get back to the original topic.

Would love to see a new gym come to Elk Grove (or at least within 15-20 miles of), whether it be cheergyms, Power, Cheer Odyssey.

I believe there are plenty of cheerleaders to go around and that the more variety the better - what is the saying competition makes people stronger....

So.. any takers?

no takers here. and I will tell you why. I love my small gym. They are doing a fantastic job in the cheer world. They are being praised for an overall successful program. Here on this board and in our town. You need to look beyond the small gym world (I know if might be hard but try). You all say you want POWER, CG, or Odyssey to take over the Elk Grove area. That's like saying lets get Wal Mart to come to our city and take over all the mom and pops stores. And this does happen, and the little business owners shut their store fronts down because they can't compete. However, this theory may not work, if these new clubs come in and demand a higher price then what is paid for in Elk Grove. Elk Grove is expensive to just start up a business, usage permits, sound studies, traffic studies (all associated with a fee) and still may fail and no money back to the potential new gym owner. There was no reference to the name of the gym in the informative posting about some potential facts about Elk Grove. You all made a reference to UCF. So, you all are the ones thinking about this gym. They are good and give them the credit they deserve. Just as others have come on this board and mentioned before. Stop tearing down gyms with your words and begin to give credit to all the hard work that is displayed at the competition. COMPASSION goes a long way people.Happy Holidays!

Date: Fri Dec 14 1:22 PM, 2007

AllieM wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I agree. And to be honest, what has AP or CSE gained this season from their partnership? They got to go to camp with Cheergyms (brings in more money to cheergyms) and they GET to let their top athletes cheer for All-American (which I imagine benfits cheergyms). AP and CSE don't seem to have a dramatic change in their style or presentation. I don't see all the gyms rooting for each other at comps. Lastly, and probably I over-analyzed this, but where is AP in Nelson's video? =)

Both AP and CSE are doing fine. AP continues to thrive and from thier performances so far this year are doing great. Love thier Senior Level 2 teams choreography. CSE is only in it's second year and has grown and continues to grow. This cheer season they have placed well at every competition they have attended and will continue to improve. As far as changes in thier style that was never the intent when they affiliated with Cheergyms. They are separate gyms, with thier own owners and coaches. They all have thier own unique style and that will not change. As far Nelson's video, it is a video of the Cheergyms teams and a good one at that. I love it. All of these gyms have thier own unique style and I wish them all good luck this season.

I think you are missing the point, which is what did they gain with the partnership? They may be doing fine but the question is would they have been doing fine without it? I would guess yes. I respect and admire cheergyms, but I agree it is not for everyone, as we have seen with the closing of gyms. Someone made an excellent point about the economy and how it may impact all star gyms; I sure hope that isn't the case.

Okay someone has got to spit this out because I have been thinking about this way too long. I know there are people out there that agree with what I have to say since I have discussed this with many people. I can't stand holding it in any longer.
The combined cheergyms.com, AP, and CSE is the weirdest idea ever. Lets take all our best kids and place them on a All American team. Honestly, I believe they did this to make a super team. They need the level 5 kids to make a level 5 team for worlds. Their gyms were not providing it so what better way to make it work. AP, CSE, You shouldnt have done it, have pride in your own gyms! CSE wasn't even open that long and Cheergyms jump on that. There is something a little weird about that.
I hope Airborne DOES NOT jump into this with them. They have a lot going for them and its better to show you can do it alone.

As for this being the "future" of cheer (I read in a magazine). Yes, lets get all these gyms to go together so they beat all the other gyms! Lets show teams in the East that they can do it to so in the future there will only be 10 gyms with a millon gyms to them.
Don't sit there and say it was to help the smaller gyms and stregthen cheerleading, excuse me while I throw up. It's called POWER (not the gym). Where did it become you have to be the best? What ever happened to having fun?
I liked cheergyms but ever since the gyms closed and this partnership came out, I question the value of these gyms.
I know I will be attacked for this which is fine. I wasn't going on here to make a converstation. I finally, got the guts, to come on here and blurt out what has been driving me crazy for so long. On the flip side, good luck to these gyms and hopefully you succeed in whatever you are TRUELY trying to succeed in.
Remember the people who will write back to this with be the individuals who don't see it from a larger point of view. PLEASE, READ INTERVIEWS ABOUT IT AND RESEARCH, ITS A LITTLE FISHY!

I totally agree with lots of what you are saying. It's a difficult concept to grasp here. Yes, i too don't believe that AP and CSE is in any better position then they were last season. I do believe it's made the CG.com name stronger. The fan support in the audience louder. And has put some money in the CG.com pocket. The coaching collaboration has allowed the creative to change a tad. But I haven't really figured out where yet. I think norcal is on the right path in pulling together the strongest of athletes, but the need for a independent name needs to happen here. It shouldn't have a gym name associated with the team. When you see the AA teams perform you associate these teams with CG.com. Noone says but there are 2 cheerleaders from AP. CG.com is getting all the credit and recognition here. Whether that was done intentionally or not that is how it's turning out to be.

Date: Fri Dec 14 2:39 PM, 2007

Doesn't all of this conversation make people notice that what Power accomplishes amazing. They have two gyms under the same Power name with the same coaches that are at the level that they are. I am impressed, Power. We all should be.

Date: Fri Dec 14 4:14 PM, 2007

Power's level 5,& Level 4 teams for that matter, are really no different. They combine athletes from 2 different locations- Modesto and Sacramento to make up those teams. They just happen to call both their gyms Power. And now Power's all high and mighty b/c they don't double team kids... they've been doing it for years. And now they have built themselves up to the point that they don't have to do that anymore, and we're all supposed to look at them as the moral high ground???

Date: Fri Dec 14 5:15 PM, 2007

Anonymous wrote:

Personally, I do feel this subject was to throw daggers at a Elk Grove gym, yet again. Whatever!

Here are some facts about Elk Grove.

1. There is a huge cheer population that is heavy in the pop warner/jr programs. The current All Star programs can't seem to change this strong bond to the jr. Football. These jr programs have all the young girls convinced that if you don't cheer through the jr. program, you won't be successful making the high school teams.

3. High school cheer takes a ton of talent. These high schools discourage their girls to cheer anywhere else but at their school. The high schools do not compete but still do not allow their girls to miss a practice session at high school nor do the coaches look for ways to alter a schedule so a cheerleader can do both. So, it is very raw that the local high school cheerleaders do both high school cheer and All-Star cheer.

2. $$$$ are a huge concern. If you want to open a gym, be prepared to make little profit. The gym owners need to get in the business because of their passion for the sport and not the paycheck.

3. There is currently an all star program located in Elk Grove. In addition, there is another all star program in South Sac, that is minutes away from Elk Grove.

4. Timin -and finally, the foreclosures that are popping up all over (economy is hurting in Elk Grove), are trickly down to the luxury items (yes, cheerleading is a luxury), and everyone is tightening their wallets.

Perhaps, opening up any business would be bad timing for now. The economy shows no sign of improvement, yet. I say go where the money is and make something happen. Southern California is the best bet at this time.

Thanks Jill for the Elk Grove price break down.

Date: Fri Dec 14 5:17 PM, 2007

I never thought of it that way, that maybe years ago Power used to have members on multiple teams until they could build themselves up to the point they are at now where they no longer have to double up. However they got to the point they're at, we are all impressed at the amount of talent they have; to have successful level 4 AND level 5 teams is quite an accomplishment.

Date: Fri Dec 14 6:39 PM, 2007

Anonymous wrote:
Thanks Jill for the Elk Grove price break down.

Guess again. I have been looking into opening my own cheerleading gym in the Elk Grove area for some time now. If you do your homework, get a great business attorney, you will uncover so much more than what I have touch on here.

Date: Fri Dec 14 7:45 PM, 2007

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I agree, I think a certain small gym in Elk Grove is a little defensive.

I would however like to get back to the original topic.

Would love to see a new gym come to Elk Grove (or at least within 15-20 miles of), whether it be cheergyms, Power, Cheer Odyssey.

I believe there are plenty of cheerleaders to go around and that the more variety the better - what is the saying competition makes people stronger....

So.. any takers?

no takers here. and I will tell you why. I love my small gym. They are doing a fantastic job in the cheer world. They are being praised for an overall successful program. Here on this board and in our town. You need to look beyond the small gym world (I know if might be hard but try). You all say you want POWER, CG, or Odyssey to take over the Elk Grove area. That's like saying lets get Wal Mart to come to our city and take over all the mom and pops stores. And this does happen, and the little business owners shut their store fronts down because they can't compete. However, this theory may not work, if these new clubs come in and demand a higher price then what is paid for in Elk Grove. Elk Grove is expensive to just start up a business, usage permits, sound studies, traffic studies (all associated with a fee) and still may fail and no money back to the potential new gym owner. There was no reference to the name of the gym in the informative posting about some potential facts about Elk Grove. You all made a reference to UCF. So, you all are the ones thinking about this gym. They are good and give them the credit they deserve. Just as others have come on this board and mentioned before. Stop tearing down gyms with your words and begin to give credit to all the hard work that is displayed at the competition. COMPASSION goes a long way people.Happy Holidays!

I am sure it is expensive everywhere and not just Elk Grove. If you can do it, go for it. If there were a ton of teams in Elk Grove it just means everyone needs to be on top of their game. The more gyms in the area the bigger the local competitions are and the more fun for the teams. So dont be discouraged, do it. Dont get discouraged there are so many businesses in elk grove and if it were that huge of an issue there would not be any.

AllieM · Member

Anonymous wrote:

AllieM wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I agree. And to be honest, what has AP or CSE gained this season from their partnership? They got to go to camp with Cheergyms (brings in more money to cheergyms) and they GET to let their top athletes cheer for All-American (which I imagine benfits cheergyms). AP and CSE don't seem to have a dramatic change in their style or presentation. I don't see all the gyms rooting for each other at comps. Lastly, and probably I over-analyzed this, but where is AP in Nelson's video? =)

Both AP and CSE are doing fine. AP continues to thrive and from thier performances so far this year are doing great. Love thier Senior Level 2 teams choreography. CSE is only in it's second year and has grown and continues to grow. This cheer season they have placed well at every competition they have attended and will continue to improve. As far as changes in thier style that was never the intent when they affiliated with Cheergyms. They are separate gyms, with thier own owners and coaches. They all have thier own unique style and that will not change. As far Nelson's video, it is a video of the Cheergyms teams and a good one at that. I love it. All of these gyms have thier own unique style and I wish them all good luck this season.

I think you are missing the point, which is what did they gain with the partnership? They may be doing fine but the question is would they have been doing fine without it? I would guess yes. I respect and admire cheergyms, but I agree it is not for everyone, as we have seen with the closing of gyms. Someone made an excellent point about the economy and how it may impact all star gyms; I sure hope that isn't the case.

Okay someone has got to spit this out because I have been thinking about this way too long. I know there are people out there that agree with what I have to say since I have discussed this with many people. I can't stand holding it in any longer.
The combined cheergyms.com, AP, and CSE is the weirdest idea ever. Lets take all our best kids and place them on a All American team. Honestly, I believe they did this to make a super team. They need the level 5 kids to make a level 5 team for worlds. Their gyms were not providing it so what better way to make it work. AP, CSE, You shouldnt have done it, have pride in your own gyms! CSE wasn't even open that long and Cheergyms jump on that. There is something a little weird about that.
I hope Airborne DOES NOT jump into this with them. They have a lot going for them and its better to show you can do it alone.

As for this being the "future" of cheer (I read in a magazine). Yes, lets get all these gyms to go together so they beat all the other gyms! Lets show teams in the East that they can do it to so in the future there will only be 10 gyms with a millon gyms to them.
Don't sit there and say it was to help the smaller gyms and stregthen cheerleading, excuse me while I throw up. It's called POWER (not the gym). Where did it become you have to be the best? What ever happened to having fun?
I liked cheergyms but ever since the gyms closed and this partnership came out, I question the value of these gyms.
I know I will be attacked for this which is fine. I wasn't going on here to make a converstation. I finally, got the guts, to come on here and blurt out what has been driving me crazy for so long. On the flip side, good luck to these gyms and hopefully you succeed in whatever you are TRUELY trying to succeed in.
Remember the people who will write back to this with be the individuals who don't see it from a larger point of view. PLEASE, READ INTERVIEWS ABOUT IT AND RESEARCH, ITS A LITTLE FISHY!

I totally agree with lots of what you are saying. It's a difficult concept to grasp here. Yes, i too don't believe that AP and CSE is in any better position then they were last season. I do believe it's made the CG.com name stronger. The fan support in the audience louder. And has put some money in the CG.com pocket. The coaching collaboration has allowed the creative to change a tad. But I haven't really figured out where yet. I think norcal is on the right path in pulling together the strongest of athletes, but the need for a independent name needs to happen here. It shouldn't have a gym name associated with the team. When you see the AA teams perform you associate these teams with CG.com. Noone says but there are 2 cheerleaders from AP. CG.com is getting all the credit and recognition here. Whether that was done intentionally or not that is how it's turning out to be.

I knew I wasnt the only person here thinking twice about this. As for the comment directly underneath this one posted above. (They were about POWER having two gyms in different locations and combinding them to make a super team). Ok, lets think about this together. Cheergyms at one point in time had Illusions, 720, Motions, Pyramids, and the orange team...Colony? Yeah thats it. They were all under cheergyms.com. Cheergyms opened there gyms and has every right to do whatever which would be make a super team. Then they dropped two gyms, Illusions and Colony. It brought them to three teams in which they decided to make a super AA team. That is fine and I am ok with that. Then, they dropped 720. They had two gyms not they could focus on. Ok lets back up a little bit, POWER opened two gyms. They have every right to join and make a super team and they are amazing at doing so. Cheergyms some reason decided to make a partnership with two different gyms. PARTNERSHIP! POWER and Cheergyms dont have a partner ship with the gyms they own. A partnership is something you cannot compare to what POWER does.

I agree that Cheergyms is taking all the credit from these other gyms. AP and CSE and now cheergyms.con puppets. They will get more kids because people think they are apart of cheergyms. This does sound like a gain for AP and CSE but in the long run, who gets all the credit? You might as well put AP and CSE under the cheergyms.com name and say the cheer during your routine. Hands down cheergyms has amazing owners and they do great things with their gyms but I dont know about this partnership. A lot of people are thinking about this on the otherside. I would love to say it was a great move but I dont think it will benefit AP or CSE name wise. Soon, over years, people are going to always associate them with cheergyms. If I was the owner of those gyms, I would hate that. They worked hard to build their name and now it will be replaced.

Date: Fri Dec 14 8:22 PM, 2007

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I agree, I think a certain small gym in Elk Grove is a little defensive.

I would however like to get back to the original topic.

Would love to see a new gym come to Elk Grove (or at least within 15-20 miles of), whether it be cheergyms, Power, Cheer Odyssey.

I believe there are plenty of cheerleaders to go around and that the more variety the better - what is the saying competition makes people stronger....

So.. any takers?

no takers here. and I will tell you why. I love my small gym. They are doing a fantastic job in the cheer world. They are being praised for an overall successful program. Here on this board and in our town. You need to look beyond the small gym world (I know if might be hard but try). You all say you want POWER, CG, or Odyssey to take over the Elk Grove area. That's like saying lets get Wal Mart to come to our city and take over all the mom and pops stores. And this does happen, and the little business owners shut their store fronts down because they can't compete. However, this theory may not work, if these new clubs come in and demand a higher price then what is paid for in Elk Grove. Elk Grove is expensive to just start up a business, usage permits, sound studies, traffic studies (all associated with a fee) and still may fail and no money back to the potential new gym owner. There was no reference to the name of the gym in the informative posting about some potential facts about Elk Grove. You all made a reference to UCF. So, you all are the ones thinking about this gym. They are good and give them the credit they deserve. Just as others have come on this board and mentioned before. Stop tearing down gyms with your words and begin to give credit to all the hard work that is displayed at the competition. COMPASSION goes a long way people.Happy Holidays!

I am assuming you are from the small gym in Elk Grove because you know so much about elk grove and how to start up a gym there. If you have a great gym as you descriibe then dont worry. If you are doing as well as you claim then WHY would someone go to a more expenisive gym. I can speak only for myself but I would not pay more money and leave a small gym Just to go to a large gym unless I was unhappy.. So dont worry (unless you have reason too) if you have a good thing going you should not have to worry. If you dont then you will loose to the powers, CG etc. Also why did you say "you all" made reference to UCF. Not everyone referenced them and how about "they are good and give them the credit they deserve". I think all gyms and gym owners deserve a hand just for doing what they do. It takes a very special person to get into this industry. I have not seen any millionaire gym owners. I think they do it out of passion more than money.

Date: Fri Dec 14 8:59 PM, 2007

I think that people are reading a lot more into the affiliation between these gyms then there really is. From reading some of these post it is clear a lot of assumptions are being made that are untrue. Before posting comments about these gyms get your facts straight. Maybe someone from Cheergyms, AP, or CSE could clarify some of this, so this topic could be layed to rest once and for all.

Date: Fri Dec 14 9:38 PM, 2007

I have a question for AllieM. What gym do you belong to?

Date: Fri Dec 14 10:26 PM, 2007

Anonymous wrote:

I think that people are reading a lot more into the affiliation between these gyms then there really is. From reading some of these post it is clear a lot of assumptions are being made that are untrue. Before posting comments about these gyms get your facts straight. Maybe someone from Cheergyms, AP, or CSE could clarify some of this, so this topic could be layed to rest once and for all.

Here we go with the defensive. It bothers me that we cannot have the freedom to voice our opinon without getting attacked. "get your facts straight" etc.

Date: Fri Dec 14 10:28 PM, 2007

Anonymous wrote:

I think that people are reading a lot more into the affiliation between these gyms then there really is. From reading some of these post it is clear a lot of assumptions are being made that are untrue. Before posting comments about these gyms get your facts straight. Maybe someone from Cheergyms, AP, or CSE could clarify some of this, so this topic could be layed to rest once and for all.

Enlighten us. What are the facts?

Date: Sat Dec 15 2:32 AM, 2007

Anonymous wrote:
Here we go with the defensive. It bothers me that we cannot have the freedom to voice our opinon without getting attacked. "get your facts straight" etc.

AllieM · Member

I would love to tell you but I feel that leaving that information out would be good. I take responsibility for my actions and I do not think my gym should. I know how this board goes, I dont want my gym to fault for it

Date: Sat Dec 15 11:31 AM, 2007

to anyone expecting an answer on the business gains of the cse, ap and cheergyms relationship: dont hold your breath.

neither of those programs do, nor should, feel obligated to go on this board and talk about how they choose to run their business. Although im sure none of them have a problem with you voicing your opinions, i doubt any of them feel the need to justify their business dealings to this board.

AllieM · Member

True, I am not looking for answers. I am just hoping that the families and other individuals involved in this program don't get a bad taste. As I said, I question the value of cheergyms. If they do come on here and explain all this information, it will be exactly what I expect it to be. Goody goody gum drops lets go slide down the slide holding hands! weeeeee! Again, goodluck to these gyms. Remember, Karama. Good for good, bad for bad.