WSF Worlds Bids Dec 1-2

Worlds Watcher · GURU

WSF Worlds Bids Dec 1-2

Date: Sat Dec 1 12:55 PM, 2007

another great battle! Look at all those Senior 5 teams! That would be so fun to watch. I wish everyone a great competition. I hope every team hits their stunts and tumbling passes. Good luck!

Worlds Watcher · GURU

I'll post results from DAY 1. For some reason long posts are no longer allowed. So it will be in several messages. Overall folks are saying they weren't overly impressed and there were lots of mistakes. Also sounds like there were some serious injuries.

JUNIORS DAY 1

Total CheerAcademy	8.18
ACE Athletics	7.97
Indiana Elite All Stars	7.95
Cheer Legendz	7.76

ICE Athletics	8.41
The Cheer Zone Tigers	8.38
Cheer Zone	8.34
Pro Cheer Indiana	7.87

Ohio Cheer Force	8.80
Celebrity Cheer	8.66
Cheer Command	8.46
Ultimate Athletics	8.21

-- Edited by Worlds Watcher at 07:44, 2007-12-02

Worlds Watcher · GURU

SENIOR DAY 1

Large Senior 5	FCA Gems	8.95
	Ultimate Athletics	8.47
	Ohio Cheer Force	8.25
	Fitness Force All-Stars	7.76

Large Senior Limited Coed 5	GymTyme	9.49
	Cheer Zone	8.46
	Michigan X-treme	8.45
	Allstar Athletics	8.42
	Twister All-Stars	8.39
	Cheer Legendz	8.33
	Celebrity Cheer	8.32
	5 Star Elite	7.10

Senior Unlimited Coed 5	Celebrity Cheer	9.03
	ICE Athletics	8.91
	Cheer World of Indiana	7.17
Small Senior 5	Cheer Command	9.17
	ICE Athletics	9.14
	FCA Gems	8.91
	Star Athletics	8.72
	The Cheer Zone Tigers	8.54
	Meanstreets	8.52
	Total CheerAcademy	8.38
	Celebrity Cheer CT	8.33
	Heat Allstars	8.24
	Comet Allstars	8.24
	ACE Athletics	8.21
	All Star Trilogy	8.20
	Indiana Elite All Stars	7.96

Worlds Watcher · GURU

INTERNATIONAL DAY 1:

International Open Coed 5	Dreamquest Cheer & Dance	7.88
Internation Open Coed 6	GymTyme	8.87

International Open All-Girl 6	GymTyme	9.16

Worlds Watcher · GURU

International at-large bid winners:

International Open All-Girl 6
GymTyme All Stars

International Open Coed 6
GymTyme All Stars

Large Junior
Celebrity

Junior Coed
ICE

Worlds Watcher · GURU

Senior Divisions results and bids:

Paid Bids
Gymtyme Limited Coed
Cheer Command Small Senior

At-Large Bids
FCA Large Senior
Celebrity Limited Coed
Celebrity Unlimited Coed
ICE Unlimited Coed
Celebrity Large Junior
ICE Junior Coed
Gymtyme Int'l All Girl 6
Gymtyme Int'l Coed 6

-- Edited by Worlds Watcher at 16:47, 2007-12-02

Date: Sun Dec 2 4:17 PM, 2007

I Heard This:

Paid-

Gym tyme limited coed
Celebrity large coed

At-large-

Fca lg senior
Celebrity sm senior
Ice small senior
Fca sm senior

At-large junior-

Celebrity lg junior
Ice junior coed
At-large open-
Gym tyme coed 6
Gym tyme all girl 6

CONGRADULATIONS

-- Edited by Worlds Watcher at 16:23, 2007-12-02

Worlds Watcher · GURU

Wow, that's alot different than what I was sent. I guess we'll have to wait to get confirmation.

Here is what I have for 1st and 2nd places in Senior Divisions:

Large Senior
1st FCA
2nd Ohio Cheer Force

Limited Coed
1st Gymtyme
2nd Celebrity

Unlimited Coed
1st Celebrity
2nd ICE

Small Senior
1st Cheer Command

Worlds Watcher · GURU

WSF Posted Results (bids are what I have been provided)

Junior Coed 5
ICE Athletics	8.8	At-Large
Cheer Zone	8.38
The Cheer Zone Tigers	8.35
Pro Cheer Indiana	8.34
Small Junior 5
Total Cheer Academy	8.27
Indiana Elite All Stars	8.18
ACE Athletics (Ohio)	8.04
Cheer Legendz	7.69
Large Junior 5
Celebrity Cheer	8.97	At-Large
Ohio Cheer Force	8.83
Cheer Command	8.28
Ultimate Athletics	8.26
Large Senior 5
FCA Gems	9.06	At-Large
Ohio Cheer Force	8.54
Ultimate Athletics	8.53
Fitness Force All-Stars	7.77
Large Limited Coed 5
GymTyme	9.46	Paid
Celebrity Cheer	9.02	At-Large
Allstar Athletics	8.69
Twister All-Stars	8.64
Michigan X-treme	8.54
Cheer Zone	8.53
Cheer Legendz	8.44
5 Star Elite	7.33
Large Unlimited Coed 5
Celebrity Cheer	9.23	At-Large
ICE Athletics	9.08	At-Large
Cheer World of Indiana	7.11
Small Senior 5
Cheer Command	9.32	Paid
Star Athletics	8.94
FCA Gems	8.93
ICE Athletics	8.92
Meanstreets	8.69
The Cheer Zone Tigers	8.65
ACE Athletics (Ohio)	8.62
Celebrity Cheer CT	8.56
Total Cheer Academy	8.53
All Star Trilogy	8.41
Heat Allstars	8.22
Comet Allstars	8.13
Indiana Elite All Stars	8.12
Int'l Open Coed 6
GymTyme	9.47	At-Large
Int'l Open All-Girl 6
GymTyme	9.21	At-Large
Int'l Open Coed 5
Dreamquest Cheer & Dance	7.8

Date: Sun Dec 2 5:08 PM, 2007

At Large Worlds Bids-	Gym Tyme International Open All-Girl 6
	Ice Athletics Junior Coed 5
	Celebrity Cheer Large Junior 5
	Gym Tyme International Open Coed 6
	Celebrity Cheer Large Senior Limited Coed 5
	Ice Athletics Senior Unlimited Coed 5
	Celebrity Cheer Senior Unlimited Coed 5
	FCA Gems Large Senior 5

Fully Paid Worlds Bids-	Cheer Command Small Senior 5
	Gym Tyme Large Senior Limited Coed 5

Diva Coach Melissa · Senior Member

Wowww go Celebrity!

Worlds Watcher · GURU

First bids of the season and of course contraversy has already surfaced. If you want to keep up with the story you can go to prox message board. But here is the basic story, copied from one of the posts from prox:

"...No, I use to be on ICE so talked to a few parents and kids of coed and they told me the story... ice got a deduction for a safety violation. something about not holding a flyers ankle in a part of the routine. so their coach brought it up with wsf because they DID hold the ankle and he showed pictures from ice's photographer and the ankle was held. so they took away the deduction and ICE would have a higher score than celebrity putting them in first. but WSF said they cannot take away a first place from them it would be wrong. but my question is.. isn't it wrong that they aren't giving ICE the proper recognition for the performance, they should just give both teams 1st and ICE the jackets.

also heard their score would've been higher than cheer command, which would mean ICE would get the paid bid. but then again WSF can't do that.

i dont know i think its bogus... it was WSF's mistake, not ICE's so they should still give ICE their rightful award....

Diva Coach Melissa · Senior Member

Does it make a difference for the bids? If so that's a pretty big deal. If it's just placements, that's fixable. We had a situation last year where we were given a penalty for a stunt that was not legal...but they did not call us down to speak with the rules official to verify it or anything, just *bam* there's 10 points from your score, which cost us the win. When I saw the penalty on the score sheet I produced an email from USASF that showed we had contacted them and indeed the stunt was legal...so the penalty was removed and we were the winner of that division. However, they didn't want to "take away" first from the original winner, so they called it a tie for first, but posted the scores so it was shown what really happened. So if it's just in placements it's fixable (although annoying for the team that should have won, I agree having been there)...but if it's about bids, yikes...I don't know what they would do. It's WSF's mistake, they need to make sure the right team gets the bid, and in thise case, the right kind of bid (if the change in score makes a difference between what they get here).

I can't imagine as a judge taking a penalty for something illegal without double-checking it on video first...especially in Worlds bids divisions.

Date: Sun Dec 2 9:22 PM, 2007

Diva Coach Melissa wrote:

Does it make a difference for the bids? If so that's a pretty big deal. If it's just placements, that's fixable. We had a situation last year where we were given a penalty for a stunt that was not legal...but they did not call us down to speak with the rules official to verify it or anything, just *bam* there's 10 points from your score, which cost us the win. When I saw the penalty on the score sheet I produced an email from USASF that showed we had contacted them and indeed the stunt was legal...so the penalty was removed and we were the winner of that division. However, they didn't want to "take away" first from the original winner, so they called it a tie for first, but posted the scores so it was shown what really happened. So if it's just in placements it's fixable (although annoying for the team that should have won, I agree having been there)...but if it's about bids, yikes...I don't know what they would do. It's WSF's mistake, they need to make sure the right team gets the bid, and in thise case, the right kind of bid (if the change in score makes a difference between what they get here).

I can't imagine as a judge taking a penalty for something illegal without double-checking it on video first...especially in Worlds bids divisions.

Yeah, It Makes A Big Difference!
If You Get A Paid Bid You Dont Have To Pay To Go To Worlds!

Diva Coach Melissa · Senior Member

I realize that. That's not what I meant. I'm asking if the difference in the scores (following the review) would have made enough of a difference in the scores that a team that was originally given an at-large should have received a paid bid.

For example, the score was 9.08 after the penality. If, with the penalty removed, the score would have been above 9.32, the bid would have been a paid bid rather than the at-large they received.

-- Edited by Diva Coach Melissa at 21:27, 2007-12-02

Date: Sun Dec 2 9:28 PM, 2007

Oh! lol
Yeah They Would Have Got The Paid Bid Not The At-Large

Diva Coach Melissa · Senior Member

You know for a fact what the penalty was and how it effected the score? Because that's what I'm asking...

Actually, I can look it up myself I think...

The penalty is .1. So I've just done the math three different ways, and I can't even get it to give them the win over Celebrity, much less a higher score than Cheer Command. There's got to be something else going on here. Maybe some math major wants to take a stab at it but I can't get it to work out the way it's being said it happened.

-- Edited by Diva Coach Melissa at 21:50, 2007-12-02

Diva Coach Melissa · Senior Member

Okay the word from Celebrity is that their staff and ICE's staff were rounded up and told by WSF that even with the error corrected, it did not affect the standings or the bids. So Celebrity did win coed, with ICE 2nd. And that meshes with my math and a couple of other people who have taken a stab at it as well.

Date: Sun Dec 2 10:23 PM, 2007

I feel that if I was part of Celebrity I would not understand why the placement would not change. I would feel upset and confused. As a coach I may get it, but as a kid and parent I cant image how they would feel. I feel for that coaching staff and how many calls and emails they will have to take when they probably dont agree with the outcome. Kudos to them.