Level of kids don't match the level for coaches

Date: Wed Nov 21 11:30 PM, 2007

Level of kids don't match the level for coaches

Date: Thu Nov 22 12:22 AM, 2007

Or how about the opposite, kids who are true level 4 being pushed to attempt level 5 skills by a level 5 coach before they are ready?

Danny · Senior Member

OH OH.....and what about the level 2 kid that's being pushed to level 4 by a level 3 coach but because of carpool issues she has to remain on the level 2 team until her mom gets her class 4 license and is able to borrow her brothers 18 wheeler to get her to the gym by 6 for the level 4 team practice.

hehe.

Date: Thu Nov 22 1:52 PM, 2007

Thats pretty Good Danny! HA, the sad part about it, is that it its true. How many gyms had to deal with Sally Sue who has to carpool with Bonnie but completely different levels.....so they HAVE to be on the same level says the parent "its easier"

Date: Thu Nov 22 2:32 PM, 2007

I think that's so wrong!! I am a parent and I want my babies team to rock, kick A**

and if there are kids on her team that are there just because of thier carpool I want them off dang it!! We want to take worlds by storm not by carpool!!! (HAHA) Happy Turkey Day everyone!!

Karen · Member

Danny wrote:

OH OH.....and what about the level 2 kid that's being pushed to level 4 by a level 3 coach but because of carpool issues she has to remain on the level 2 team until her mom gets her class 4 license and is able to borrow her brothers 18 wheeler to get her to the gym by 6 for the level 4 team practice.

hehe.

I am cracking up! That was a good one!!!

Karen

Date: Thu Nov 22 7:22 PM, 2007

Danny wrote:

OH OH.....and what about the level 2 kid that's being pushed to level 4 by a level 3 coach but because of carpool issues she has to remain on the level 2 team until her mom gets her class 4 license and is able to borrow her brothers 18 wheeler to get her to the gym by 6 for the level 4 team practice.

hehe.

Danny that is sooooo TRUE!! Carpools are such a major factor in the gym world.

Date: Sat Nov 24 1:15 PM, 2007

Truth is that carpools are only a problem when gym owners and coaches let them be!!

I have an idea

Try this word "NO" or "I'm sorry that you can't get here, but that is the team you made." I know it's hard thought because you think the parent is going to just leave, but trust me they figure it out. it's better that way than to have a girl on a team that doesn't belong discrediting the team level to the other kids on the team, (because they all know if another kid does not belong there) also word gets around that your a softie and next thing you know you have a gym full of carpools.

Date: Sat Nov 24 1:20 PM, 2007

Anonymous wrote:

Truth is that carpools are only a problem when gym owners and coaches let them be!!

I have an idea

Try this word "NO" or "I'm sorry that you can't get here, but that is the team you made." I know it's hard thought because you think the parent is going to just leave, but trust me they figure it out. it's better that way than to have a girl on a team that doesn't belong discrediting the team level to the other kids on the team, (because they all know if another kid does not belong there) also word gets around that your a softie and next thing you know you have a gym full of carpools.

It's obvious your a parent and NOT a coach or a gym owner because every gym has to make sacrifices in order for their program to get off the ground in the first 3-5 years. Once you have established a program, then you can really get picky. Obviously any coach wants the kids with all the same skill, but it doesn't always happen that way.

Date: Sat Nov 24 1:37 PM, 2007

Duh!! Yes I am a parent (a paying one at that) who thinks if my kid had to try out to get on a squad, why should a kid get to be on there if she doesn't belong just because of thier carpool. Otherwise why have tryouts

Gyms have to make sacrafices but if a gym becomes known for this type of thing, they don't have to worry thier gym won't be open long anyway. Parents have too many options now days and I choose to not attend a gym that makes these kind of decisions. Change practice times or boot the kid down a level, but a child should not benefit just because parents can't get them there on time.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Truth is that carpools are only a problem when gym owners and coaches let them be!!

I have an idea

Try this word "NO" or "I'm sorry that you can't get here, but that is the team you made." I know it's hard thought because you think the parent is going to just leave, but trust me they figure it out. it's better that way than to have a girl on a team that doesn't belong discrediting the team level to the other kids on the team, (because they all know if another kid does not belong there) also word gets around that your a softie and next thing you know you have a gym full of carpools.

It's obvious your a parent and NOT a coach or a gym owner because every gym has to make sacrifices in order for their program to get off the ground in the first 3-5 years. Once you have established a program, then you can really get picky. Obviously any coach wants the kids with all the same skill, but it doesn't always happen that way.

OC Mom · GURU

I told my kid to get a job..... and she did. At age 12.

So, there are ways young grasshopper..... there are ways.

You want it bad enough, you'll MAKE it work. I NEVER carpooled and if I listed the obstacles in my way over the years, you would think my daughter should have cheered for 3 months.....

Super Mom? Yep, and I EARNED that title too.....

Date: Mon Nov 26 2:04 PM, 2007

oc mom you are so funny lol

Date: Tue Nov 27 5:08 AM, 2007

Don't you think the carpool/semi-truck drivers situations arise when the parents are so new to cheer, they just don't get it?? Love that example.

Sorta back on topic... We are not in Cali, so don't think I am talking about one of your gyms...okay! At practice last night, the kid got a new tumbling coach. You can tell he is new to coaching because he could not spot worth a hoot. THis is a level 5 class and only had 2 kids in it last night. Little cheerbot with double and all kinds of tricks. He spotted her once right off the tumble track onto the floor. She's tiny, so she sorta bounced. My daughter got her double on the tumble track last week. He was going to spot her and she was aware that he was in totally the wrong place. Not saying this guy can't be a coach eventually, but he was alone with no one training him. That I understand is a gym owner problem...he should have had someone there to help him, but is it appropriate that a coach that inexperienced should be coaching kids learning doubles and more advanced skills.

I tend to get a little 'het' up, so I am seriously asking for advice. I am trying to avoid the crazy cheer mom label. I know coaches have to start somewhere, but is this the right place??? Help!!! Save me from myself and the foot I may put in my mouth. wink

Date: Tue Nov 27 7:14 AM, 2007

I think that is a very good questions. I would love to hear parents and coaches responses. I have a similar question. My daughter is in a tumbling class were she should be learning her full. Which for the last year or so she has been working on. However her coach has now left and they have replaced him/her with another coach and one of the owners. Mind you the owner is not a tumbling coach and the new coach can only spot/coach up to a layout. I have been waiting it out to see how it turns out but I think I am going to have to go outside our gym for tumbling. Which I don't want to do. Don't you think a gym that has hopes of having a level 5 team and has a level 4 now would atleast have someone to coach these girls through fulls? Even if its just during team practice. What are they going to do when these girls learn it somewhere else and come back and try it at practice? I think that will be a safety issue.

Date: Tue Nov 27 2:57 PM, 2007

Anonymous wrote:

I think that is a very good questions. I would love to hear parents and coaches responses. I have a similar question. My daughter is in a tumbling class were she should be learning her full. Which for the last year or so she has been working on. However her coach has now left and they have replaced him/her with another coach and one of the owners. Mind you the owner is not a tumbling coach and the new coach can only spot/coach up to a layout. I have been waiting it out to see how it turns out but I think I am going to have to go outside our gym for tumbling. Which I don't want to do. Don't you think a gym that has hopes of having a level 5 team and has a level 4 now would atleast have someone to coach these girls through fulls? Even if its just during team practice. What are they going to do when these girls learn it somewhere else and come back and try it at practice? I think that will be a safety issue.

I think you should be grateful that your gym is not trying to proceed teaching skills they can not spot. Losing the tumbling coach may have not been expected and it is great that they have the professionalism to put the child's safety first. If you pay for tumbling with your yearly fees you have every right to ask for a credit for that.

Date: Tue Nov 27 3:24 PM, 2007

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I think that is a very good questions. I would love to hear parents and coaches responses. I have a similar question. My daughter is in a tumbling class were she should be learning her full. Which for the last year or so she has been working on. However her coach has now left and they have replaced him/her with another coach and one of the owners. Mind you the owner is not a tumbling coach and the new coach can only spot/coach up to a layout. I have been waiting it out to see how it turns out but I think I am going to have to go outside our gym for tumbling. Which I don't want to do. Don't you think a gym that has hopes of having a level 5 team and has a level 4 now would atleast have someone to coach these girls through fulls? Even if its just during team practice. What are they going to do when these girls learn it somewhere else and come back and try it at practice? I think that will be a safety issue.

I think you should be grateful that your gym is not trying to proceed teaching skills they can not spot. Losing the tumbling coach may have not been expected and it is great that they have the professionalism to put the child's safety first. If you pay for tumbling with your yearly fees you have every right to ask for a credit for that.

I totally agree.... Some gyms don't even have tumbling coaches and have the girls throwing skills they think they can do. It is perfectly fine if your gym has a tumbling instuctor who only teaches up to a level 4 skill if that is the level you are competing at. If the instructor just quit on them, be thankful they were able to hire another instuctor in short notice. I am sure they were stuck and did the best they could at the time. Your gym could be without a tumbling instructor at all and that would be horrible for the kids. Practice patience I am sure if they are trying to go level 5 next season they will hire new staff as needed. I think it is great that your owner is there during practice to assure that the kids are still getting tumbling.

Here is the question you need to ask yourself
are you getting the instruction you need for the level you are competing at?
is the instructor friendly and good with the children in the program?
Is your child safe?

When all else fails go to the owner and express your concern, but remember that you are only competing level 4 and as long as those skills are still being taught they are doing their job and providing you with the service you are paying for. You would never want anyone to try and teach anything above what they are capable of teaching that is unsafe.

The same thing just happen at our gym and our owner provided us with a great substitute quickly and he is great with the girls and our girls haven't missed a beat for tumbling. I trust our owners and as long as they are giving us the service we need to continue at our levels, All is well that ends well.

So with all that said its probably not that serious as long as you are not level 5 yet, then and only then should you worry. Look at the bright side, their level 4 skills will be perfected to move on biggrin

Date: Tue Nov 27 6:29 PM, 2007

Anonymous wrote:

Don't you think the carpool/semi-truck drivers situations arise when the parents are so new to cheer, they just don't get it?? Love that example.

Sorta back on topic... We are not in Cali, so don't think I am talking about one of your gyms...okay! At practice last night, the kid got a new tumbling coach. You can tell he is new to coaching because he could not spot worth a hoot. THis is a level 5 class and only had 2 kids in it last night. Little cheerbot with double and all kinds of tricks. He spotted her once right off the tumble track onto the floor. She's tiny, so she sorta bounced. My daughter got her double on the tumble track last week. He was going to spot her and she was aware that he was in totally the wrong place. Not saying this guy can't be a coach eventually, but he was alone with no one training him. That I understand is a gym owner problem...he should have had someone there to help him, but is it appropriate that a coach that inexperienced should be coaching kids learning doubles and more advanced skills.

I tend to get a little 'het' up, so I am seriously asking for advice. I am trying to avoid the crazy cheer mom label. I know coaches have to start somewhere, but is this the right place??? Help!!! Save me from myself and the foot I may put in my mouth.

That's my post. Happy to report the new tumbling coach is doing well with the lower level classes and that experienced coach has been brought into work with kids on more advanced skills. Whew! Premature panic.

Date: Tue Nov 27 9:10 PM, 2007

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I think that is a very good questions. I would love to hear parents and coaches responses. I have a similar question. My daughter is in a tumbling class were she should be learning her full. Which for the last year or so she has been working on. However her coach has now left and they have replaced him/her with another coach and one of the owners. Mind you the owner is not a tumbling coach and the new coach can only spot/coach up to a layout. I have been waiting it out to see how it turns out but I think I am going to have to go outside our gym for tumbling. Which I don't want to do. Don't you think a gym that has hopes of having a level 5 team and has a level 4 now would atleast have someone to coach these girls through fulls? Even if its just during team practice. What are they going to do when these girls learn it somewhere else and come back and try it at practice? I think that will be a safety issue.

I think you should be grateful that your gym is not trying to proceed teaching skills they can not spot. Losing the tumbling coach may have not been expected and it is great that they have the professionalism to put the child's safety first. If you pay for tumbling with your yearly fees you have every right to ask for a credit for that.

Here is the question you need to ask yourself
are you getting the instruction you need for the level you are competing at?

Is it ok to be only working on skills that are at the level you're competing? Don't you want to continue the progress and work on the next level. Just because you are on a level 4 team, why would you just want to be working level 4 skills? If you're ready for the next level I feel that you should be working those skills. How is she going to make the level 5 team if she doesn't have the level 5 skills and she has not been working on them. Just my thoughts. Thank you for all your input.

Date: Tue Nov 27 9:28 PM, 2007

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I think that is a very good questions. I would love to hear parents and coaches responses. I have a similar question. My daughter is in a tumbling class were she should be learning her full. Which for the last year or so she has been working on. However her coach has now left and they have replaced him/her with another coach and one of the owners. Mind you the owner is not a tumbling coach and the new coach can only spot/coach up to a layout. I have been waiting it out to see how it turns out but I think I am going to have to go outside our gym for tumbling. Which I don't want to do. Don't you think a gym that has hopes of having a level 5 team and has a level 4 now would atleast have someone to coach these girls through fulls? Even if its just during team practice. What are they going to do when these girls learn it somewhere else and come back and try it at practice? I think that will be a safety issue.

I think you should be grateful that your gym is not trying to proceed teaching skills they can not spot. Losing the tumbling coach may have not been expected and it is great that they have the professionalism to put the child's safety first. If you pay for tumbling with your yearly fees you have every right to ask for a credit for that.

Here is the question you need to ask yourself
are you getting the instruction you need for the level you are competing at?

Is it ok to be only working on skills that are at the level you're competing? Don't you want to continue the progress and work on the next level. Just because you are on a level 4 team, why would you just want to be working level 4 skills? If you're ready for the next level I feel that you should be working those skills. How is she going to make the level 5 team if she doesn't have the level 5 skills and she has not been working on them. Just my thoughts. Thank you for all your input.

You are backtracking on your comment now. You stated that the other coach quit and they replaced your old coach with a coach who can only spot up to a layout... your concern was that they want to compete level 5 next season and they wont getto work on those skills and may go outside of the tumbling at your gym and them come back and throw these skills and it will be unsafe!
First you are jumping the stinking gun to even know if your gym will be ready for level 5 next season also your gym did the right thing by getting someone in there to at least still teach the level 4 skill so that you can still have tumbling classes. you have no idea what they have planned for the ret of the season and it is bery hard to find coaches and to find tumbling coaches. I say be grateful that you have a tumbling instructor who is able to meet your needs for the time being. Nowe if your gym was a level 5 team now and they didnt have someone there who could spot and teach levle 5 well then that would be a reason to be upset and worried.

And the saftey issue of throwing something they learned some place else is not as safety problem for your gym,. it is a safety problem for you and your family, because your gym is not responsible if your child throws something they are not instructed to so. I am sure that is in your contract

you are putting a ton of pressure and unnecessary worry and concern for a gym that is in mid competition season competing already whe the coach who left and didnt fulfill their agreement to stay for the season for what ever the reasons may be left them.

have a heart and some patience and se how things go

when bad things happen or changes you roll with the punches and regroup the best you can

Tamara · cheergyms.com Master Poster

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Don't you think the carpool/semi-truck drivers situations arise when the parents are so new to cheer, they just don't get it?? Love that example.

Sorta back on topic... We are not in Cali, so don't think I am talking about one of your gyms...okay! At practice last night, the kid got a new tumbling coach. You can tell he is new to coaching because he could not spot worth a hoot. THis is a level 5 class and only had 2 kids in it last night. Little cheerbot with double and all kinds of tricks. He spotted her once right off the tumble track onto the floor. She's tiny, so she sorta bounced. My daughter got her double on the tumble track last week. He was going to spot her and she was aware that he was in totally the wrong place. Not saying this guy can't be a coach eventually, but he was alone with no one training him. That I understand is a gym owner problem...he should have had someone there to help him, but is it appropriate that a coach that inexperienced should be coaching kids learning doubles and more advanced skills.

I tend to get a little 'het' up, so I am seriously asking for advice. I am trying to avoid the crazy cheer mom label. I know coaches have to start somewhere, but is this the right place??? Help!!! Save me from myself and the foot I may put in my mouth.
That's my post. Happy to report the new tumbling coach is doing well with the lower level classes and that experienced coach has been brought into work with kids on more advanced skills. Whew! Premature panic.

Yea! I'm glad it worked out AND you don't have to swallow your foot!