squads competing at lower levels hmmmmm

Date: Sat Oct 20 7:00 PM, 2007

RE: squads competing at lower levels hmmmmm

Date: Sat Oct 20 7:32 PM, 2007

I have seen that team throughout the years and I know the only 3 girls on that level 2 team can throw a tuck. Now that is not majority of the team being level 3 to even try to compete at that level. I think from level 2 to level 3 is a big jump in skill level, BH to BT. Just like level 3 to level 4 is a big jump from BT to layouts and standing tucks. And we all know how hard a standing tuck is to gain, lots of tummy muscles!

Date: Sat Oct 20 7:38 PM, 2007

Anonymous wrote:

I have seen that team throughout the years and I know the only 3 girls on that level 2 team can throw a tuck. Now that is not majority of the team being level 3 to even try to compete at that level. I think from level 2 to level 3 is a big jump in skill level, BH to BT. Just like level 3 to level 4 is a big jump from BT to layouts and standing tucks. And we all know how hard a standing tuck is to gain, lots of tummy muscles!

My point exactly, 3 tucks in 4 years

Date: Sat Oct 20 7:52 PM, 2007

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

I have seen that team throughout the years and I know the only 3 girls on that level 2 team can throw a tuck. Now that is not majority of the team being level 3 to even try to compete at that level. I think from level 2 to level 3 is a big jump in skill level, BH to BT. Just like level 3 to level 4 is a big jump from BT to layouts and standing tucks. And we all know how hard a standing tuck is to gain, lots of tummy muscles!

My point exactly, 3 tucks in 4 years

Oh well no big deal. Lets move past this subject. Not trying to point any fingers. I think everyone has a reason and since I am not in the gym I dont even know. Just trying to comment on this discussion. Again my apologies if this came off wrong. I am not trying to do that. Best of luck whichever level you compete in and good luck to all the girls no matter which level.

Date: Sat Oct 20 9:29 PM, 2007

There could be other reasons for not majority of the team progressing in 4 years. A team consist of around 20 girls. Do you think all 20 girls have been together the last 4 years? Do all the girls take tumbling classes? Have they lost girls and gained new ones? Do they even have full squad standing BH? Or do they have girls that have never cheered before and can't place them on a level 1 team? There can be many of reasons and none of us can judge.

Date: Sat Oct 20 9:44 PM, 2007

UCFMom wrote:

looks like our team is in the minority here. All our teams are going to be challenged this season. Even our little 4 year old...hehehehe.

The UCF coaches explained that all our teams should be held down if we were looking for full squad back handspring, back tucks. But our girls won't be growing in the other areas of cheerleading. We have girls that have been cheering at the level 2 for 4 years now. they probably will not be classified as a level 3 cheerleader for may more year. The coaches still want them to learn to base over their heads and move on in the stunting area.

Our girls will need to work really had this year but will gain so much more in the end.

And UCF mom said they have girls that have cheered level 2 for 4 years. She didn't say majority or a lot of girls. She could be talking about 2 or 3 girls. We don't know. We shouldn't jump to conclusions and say the whole team has been held back.

Date: Sat Oct 20 9:45 PM, 2007

Anonymous wrote:

There could be other reasons for not majority of the team progressing in 4 years. A team consist of around 20 girls. Do you think all 20 girls have been together the last 4 years? Do all the girls take tumbling classes? Have they lost girls and gained new ones? Do they even have full squad standing BH? Or do they have girls that have never cheered before and can't place them on a level 1 team? There can be many of reasons and none of us can judge.

I agree with you so like I'v said on other posts relaxxxx and breath all you crazy mommy's aww

Date: Sat Oct 20 9:54 PM, 2007

Anonymous wrote:
UCFMom wrote:

looks like our team is in the minority here. All our teams are going to be challenged this season. Even our little 4 year old...hehehehe.

The UCF coaches explained that all our teams should be held down if we were looking for full squad back handspring, back tucks. But our girls won't be growing in the other areas of cheerleading. We have girls that have been cheering at the level 2 for 4 years now. they probably will not be classified as a level 3 cheerleader for may more year. The coaches still want them to learn to base over their heads and move on in the stunting area.

Our girls will need to work really had this year but will gain so much more in the end.

And UCF mom said they have girls that have cheered level 2 for 4 years. She didn't say majority or a lot of girls. She could be talking about 2 or 3 girls. We don't know. We shouldn't jump to conclusions and say the whole team has been held back.

Sounds like you are the UCF mom. Hmm. Dont worry be happy

SabrinaLovesAP · Veteran Member

I think the most upsetting thing is when a lower level team has a majority of the team's members that also compete on level 4 and/or level 5 teams.
Is this a different situation then what everyone else is discussing?

(PS: Some people just aren't meant to be higher level cheerleaders. Ive been on Senior Level 2 for four years. I didn't start cheer until I was 14ish, and my body just couldn't grasp tumbling. No matter how many classes I took, I just couldn't get my body to move how it needed it to. I know I'll never be a tumbler, but Im a good cheerleader in every other aspect. I know I could handle level three stunts and motions, but because I cant tumble, Ill never get the chance. But Im okay with that, because senior two rules aww

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-- Edited by SabrinaLovesAP at 13:04, 2007-10-21

Date: Sun Oct 21 12:18 PM, 2007

Yea, that's the thing that is frustrating. Most of us can't understand how so many members of a level 5 team are on a level 4 team. Which is it, is it that the level 4 team should be a 5, or the 5 (All American) is really a 4? On top of that it has already been said the level 4 will never be a 5, even if the skills develop during the season. Lastly we won't be able to see any cheergyms level 5 teams this season because All American isn't performing at our local regionals. I know it's their decision but most of us just don't get it. Somewhere in there is a good business decision I'm guessing, and I guess it will unfold someday.

Date: Sun Oct 21 12:21 PM, 2007

SabrinaLovesAP wrote:

I think the most upsetting thing is when a lower level team has a majority of the team's members that also compete on level 4 and/or level 5 teams.
Is this a different situation then what everyone else is discussing?

(PS: Some people just aren't meant to be higher level cheerleaders. Ive been on Senior Level 2 for four years. I didn't start cheer until I was 14ish, and my body just couldn't grasp tumbling. No matter how many classes I took, I just couldn't get my body to move how it needed it to. I know I'll never be a tumbler, but Im a good cheerleader in every other aspect. I know I could handle level three stunts and motions, but because I cant tumble, Ill never get the chance. But Im okay with that, because senior two rules)

-- Edited by SabrinaLovesAP at 13:04, 2007-10-21

Sabrina you make an amazing point! I am glad you realize that "hey tumbling isn't for me." And that is so true, tumbling is not for everyone. Either you get or you don't. You have to enjoy it and have that passion. That is a great expample of someone being at the same level for many years and why she hasn't moved up in levels.

Date: Sun Oct 21 3:39 PM, 2007

I think what sabrina was sayin is different than the other issue, but it is all sort of the same thing, a team of higher level athletes cheering on lower levels too. A few I can understand but not an entire team. Hope the others step it up cuz you'll have tough competition this year.

Date: Sun Oct 21 6:01 PM, 2007

Plus, it is unsafe for kids to be competing at levels they are not ready for.

big sis · Veteran Member

Anonymous wrote:

Yea, that's the thing that is frustrating. Most of us can't understand how so many members of a level 5 team are on a level 4 team. Which is it, is it that the level 4 team should be a 5, or the 5 (All American) is really a 4? On top of that it has already been said the level 4 will never be a 5, even if the skills develop during the season. Lastly we won't be able to see any cheergyms level 5 teams this season because All American isn't performing at our local regionals. I know it's their decision but most of us just don't get it. Somewhere in there is a good business decision I'm guessing, and I guess it will unfold someday.

stop obsessing about it! lol it doesnt matter anymore with comps in 1 week! read what marlon said earlir in this thread.. he explains it really well.

JUST BECAUSE YOU WERE LV 5 LAST YEAR DOES NOT MEAN YOU ARE LV 5 THIS YEAR. STUFF HAPPENS!!! please remember, all american is a combo of pyramids, motions, CSE, and AP,, NOT JUST CHEERGYMS!!! just give this topic a rest please!

thank you. lol

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big sis · Veteran Member

oh and good luck cheergyms!! :)

have a great season ap!! i miss all my sistersss.

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Date: Sun Oct 21 6:53 PM, 2007

you are right big sis, there is nothing we can do about it, it is what it is. we can't control what was done and we also can't control how others feel about it; I do think you need to re-read the posts though because it really has nothing to do with what they had last year and everything to do with what they have this year and how they decided to use it. good luck to everyone, let's have a fun safe season!!

Date: Sun Oct 21 10:26 PM, 2007

I think we need to keep in mind that only the gyms themselves know what they have talent-wise, we should never make assumptions.

Here's a new question-- it seems that the majority of gyms have crossovers. Do you think that gyms who don't use crossovers are at a disadvantage? I think our gym would have more success if we did (filling gaps on our level 2 team with a couple or few members from our level 3 team for instance). Are there any disadvantages to having crossovers???

Date: Mon Oct 22 12:44 PM, 2007

UCF mom, i am from a gym in modesto and my coach preaches the total opposite of what u said but i agree with your staff..